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The rumblings in the warp are growing and it seems the Red Space Marines might be getting a new codex some time soon. We all know why GW would do it, marines are easy to release sionce 90% of the models are interchangeable, they sell well and they already have a ton of art ready to use.

We also know why they should not, with MEqs making up most of the armies it distorts the game and makes it less fun. Besides the BA already have a codex and models so odds are anyone who wants a BA army already has one and won't pay for a new one, just update the old.

So I humbly offer this list of better alternatives in the hope someone is listening.

10. Daemon Hunters - with no updates since 3rd edition and referring to a SM book that was 2 codexes ago and an IG book that was 1 codex ago this is by far the most out of date book and makes an already weak army even worse.

9. Witch Hunters - no updates since 3rd edition and virtually no new sisters models since 2nd this army needs new rules and plastics STAT!

8. Alien Hunters - the long-awaited 3rd Inquisition army would be easy to do (using mostly marine and IG models) and offer a new way to use them. Give them a high-tech commando look unlike the DH's knights and the WH's puritan look and you have a hit.

7. Squats/Demiurge - Squats were promised back in 1995 and the fact that Dakka's gallery has pages and pages of squat armies shows they still have potential. Give them some steampunk giant mining suits and watch the Warmachine and Bioshock players flock in.

6. Adeptus Mech - speaking of giant baroque warmachines...

5. Kroot - With the addition of one sprue for conversions GW could have a whole new race with a fun theme and name. KROOT-KROOT! Say it! It's fun!

4. Chaos Cults/Lost and the Damned - A no-brainer. THe Imperium's greatest foe, part of the game since Rogue Trader but somehow never had a codex or real models.

3. Chaos Legions - ANother no brainer and this one require almost nothing in the way of new models. Even if it only covers the 4 god-specific legions it will be a surefire hit.

2. THe Sensei - the Emperor's Immortal children are the last force fighitng for good in the 41st millennium, they fill a niche no other army can. Put out some character models and rules for Inquisition type warbands and you're done. Plus they're NINJA JEDI HIGHLANDERS! How can this lose?

1. THe Blood Angles - this little known chapter who use the power of geometry to destroy their foes has never had a codex but has over 200 images in the dakka gallery.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-search.jsp?dq=blood+angles

Surely they deserve a shot?

So there you go, and I'd like to remind everyone that I did this whole post without once mentioning the Pan Fo.

Where are the Dark Eldar on this list? I'm so lost.

Manchu wrote:Where are the Dark Eldar on this list? I'm so lost.

??? I don't understand the question.

WHy would Dark Eldar be on a list of armies that deserve a codex?

Perhaps you're thinking of my list of armies best forgotten and never mentioned again.

On second glance, that sort of seems like what you were already doing, Ordos aside. Well, that's too harsh. I'd be curious about an AdMech army and I think we're in desperate need of a Chaos Legions book. But squats? And kroot? Boooooo. Give me black latex-fetish elves over that garbage any day.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Perhaps you're thinking of my list of armies best forgotten and never mentioned again.

aka, Squ-*BAM*

Seriously, DE have a greater following than Kroot at least, who are quite at home in a Tau Codex.

And the Sensei? What? More SM? Or what are they? never even heard of them...in any case, they definatley don't deserve a codex...a mention in a Inquisition book would be fine though.

Some of the armies on here don't and shouldn't get a codex. DE has a following, and there's a lot of interest expressed in them. They deserve a codex.

Also, adding some of these codices will kill the already lagging update system...thus killing even more armies as GW then focuses more and more on the SM mothership. Sure, it would be nice to see some of these, but lets face it, the hobby can't take it.

Sorry if there's a bit of trolling, I just feel that DE don't deserve to be left by the wayside.

ChristmasMarine wrote:And the Sensei? What? More SM? Or what are they? never even heard of them...in any case, they definatley don't deserve a codex...a mention in a Inquisition book would be fine though.

Speaking of should be totally forgotten . . .

DE have a codex, and models, and plastics.

And are a terrible idea given form.

WHat more do DE players want?

Let someone else get models before GW wastes time and effort on their least successful modern army.

The models need retooling. Who'd play Space Marines if they still looked like this:


Ugh.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:DE have a codex, and models, and plastics.

And are a terrible idea given form.

WHat more do DE players want?

Let someone else get models before GW wastes time and effort on their least successful modern army.

someone else? they are the longest codex to go without an update...and even their FAQ is bad. Also, the models are the worst in 40k. DE players want a codex with updated rules, and some models that actually had a little bit of time put into them....oh, and btw, I think just about every infantry model other than warriors is metal.

And, let me ask, why is the idea terrible? I love their fluff.

@KK: Welcome to the hornets' nest, my friend.

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Kid_Kyoto wrote:DE have a codex, and models, and plastics.

And are a terrible idea given form.

WHat more do DE players want?

Let someone else get models before GW wastes time and effort on their least successful modern army.

lol Says the guy who thinks ninjas in space is clever

Why would kroot need a codex? They're in the Tau, although in the Tau codex they do need some heroes.

People have been talking about a new Tau codex for 2010. Could we get a Kroot hero? Or maybe a Vespid? I doubt there will be more ally races added.

Ha vespids i have never seen anyone use them not even in a casual game. I think vespids are something that really doesnt fit with tau IMO.

Part of the Tau flavor (at some point) was that they are a multi-racial empire, unlike every other faction in 40k. But that seems to have been lost somewhere along the way. Maybe GW could just give some rules for Gue'la in the (potential) new codex. Also: From Tau, to Tau Empire, to Tau UN. Also also, thread derailed. Sorry, KK.

DE before BA!!! Accept nothing less!

ChristmasMarine wrote:

someone else? they are the longest codex to go without an update...and even their FAQ is bad.

AHEM




ANd I'm pretty sure Daemon Hunters came before the updated DE codex.

Also, the models are the worst in 40k.

Yet the SIsters who are even older are still lovely models. So are the metal IG. I would say the problem is not that GW in the 90s couldn't make good models, the problem is laytex-wearing elfs who are dark and also in space and into bondage but in a PG-13 kind of way just ain't such a hot idea.

And, let me ask, why is the idea terrible? I love their fluff.

What fluff?

THe Eldar are Elfs in Space. The Dark Elfs are Elfs who are Dark.

The Dark Eldar are the Elfs who are Dark and also in Space. They're a xerox of a xerox, a knock-off of a knock-off.

THeir 'theme' is they are PURE EVIL! But we already have an abundance of PURE EVIL! armies, Chaos Marines and Daemons being the closest. So the DE are PURE EVIL who are into torture and slavery but in a PG-13 sort of way.

But Orks and CSMs already have that niche filled.

So what are they? They're Eldar but with the weapons renamed. Dark Lances instead of Bright Lances and so on. Like I said a copy of a copy with no real room for growth. Let them wither and die with their big hats and razor-encrusted armor. Let something better take their place.

Kid_Kyoto wrote: Yet the SIsters who are even older are still lovely models. So are the metal IG. I would say the problem is not that GW in the 90s couldn't make good models, the problem is laytex-wearing elfs who are dark and also in space and into bondage but in a PG-13 kind of way just ain't such a hot idea.

What fluff?

THe Eldar are Elfs in Space. The Dark Elfs are Elfs who are Dark.

The Dark Eldar are the Elfs who are Dark and also in Space. They're a xerox of a xerox, a knock-off of a knock-off.

THeir 'theme' is they are PURE EVIL! But we already have an abundance of PURE EVIL! armies, Chaos Marines and Daemons being the closest. So the DE are PURE EVIL who are into torture and slavery but in a PG-13 sort of way.

But Orks and CSMs already have that niche filled.

So what are they? They're Eldar but with the weapons renamed. Dark Lances instead of Bright Lances and so on. Like I said a copy of a copy with no real room for growth. Let them wither and die with their big hats and razor-encrusted armor. Let something better take their place.

Like Space Ninjas? After all, theres NO way that idea can fail in a cynical world...

I fail to see what you pics prove, after all, I click on the squats link and it takes me to something from second edition. 2nd ed guard no less. So there wasn't even a codex then. And your pic asserts every reason why squats should not be brought back- from what it looks like, its a slayer with a gun. If they are going to bring Squats in, they better have a more decent backstory than that....

No then, to answer you posts. Their theme is the piratical race of 40k-something that, until they decided to try and kill Chaos with that godawful renegade codex, no other race did very well. The Greenskins aren't pirates, they fight because they love it. The CSM shouldn't be, in almost all instances of fluff they are revenge-driven warriors. Not pirates. The DE have their own role in 40k, and they do it very well. And if your going to go on about Squats, id suggest not bringing up copies again...after all, many of the beloved races of 40k are copies of fantasy races. Whats wrong with Dark Elves, when we have nothing wrong with Orcs, Elves, Ogres, and such doing the exact same thing quite happily?

The Sisters models still look good. Thats why they should wait. Give the DE, who have horrible models, better ones and watch as people come scrambling to play them. There has always been large interest expressed in DE- after all, everyone wants to be different. Most people are driven off by the impossibility of the rules and the ugliness of the models. All easily solvable problems. If GW put in a fifth of the time they do on SM on DE, they would be tremendous.

I fail to see any reason for your hate of DE, other than that you want 3 Inquisition codices, when its already the least played set of forces (GKs are barely even used any more, and whos ever seen a daemonhost on a table?).

The only valid point you make is that the aspects of DE shouldn't be PG 13. They do need to be more extreme. Other than that, though, your argument is rubbish.

Also, DE have the oldest Codex in the game. Not GK. Not SoB. Their codex actually says 2nd edition on it IIRC. So don't give me that stuff about them not being the oldest.

Once again, i apologize for any accidental trolling that might occur from my reaction to other peoples opinions.

Manchu wrote:The models need retooling. Who'd play Space Marines if they still looked like this:


Ugh.

Woaaaaaa whaT's the top left guy holding there?
It.. doesn't look so much as a weapon.. And what it could be scares me. >.>

DE really deserve a new, well, everything. Some of your idea could use some attention, but not a whole codex.

If GW were to base Warhammer on the popularity of the armies alone, we'd be playing "Space Marine: The Table Top Game"

No to Kroot, Sensei, and Squats. The rest I approve.

Vindicator#9 wrote:Ha vespids i have never seen anyone use them not even in a casual game. I think vespids are something that really doesnt fit with tau IMO.

They fit well but they are crap.

Blood angels have a freeware codex, who said they don't deserve a "real" codex?!

Btw, I agree with you on DH and WH. I'm kind of curious though, what kind of new and exciting forces would we get out of the "Ordo Xenos"? More black templars?

Give me SOB! Oh, and some other witch hunter goodness.

Who gives a skaven's ass about another SM codex... other then maybe Black Templars... or Grey Knights! Codex Grey Knights would be nice... Think of all the absurd prices GM could charge. a 1500pt army could set you back... oh.... $40k...

WOOOSH!!

10. Daemon Hunters - with no updates since 3rd edition and referring to a SM book that was 2 codexes ago and an IG book that was 1 codex ago this is by far the most out of date book and makes an already weak army even worse.

9. Witch Hunters - no updates since 3rd edition and virtually no new sisters models since 2nd this army needs new rules and plastics STAT!

8. Alien Hunters - the long-awaited 3rd Inquisition army would be easy to do (using mostly marine and IG models) and offer a new way to use them. Give them a high-tech commando look unlike the DH's knights and the WH's puritan look and you have a hit.

7. Squats/Demiurge - Squats were promised back in 1995 and the fact that Dakka's gallery has pages and pages of squat armies shows they still have potential. Give them some steampunk giant mining suits and watch the Warmachine and Bioshock players flock in.

6. Adeptus Mech - speaking of giant baroque warmachines...

5. Kroot - With the addition of one sprue for conversions GW could have a whole new race with a fun theme and name. KROOT-KROOT! Say it! It's fun!

4. Chaos Cults/Lost and the Damned - A no-brainer. THe Imperium's greatest foe, part of the game since Rogue Trader but somehow never had a codex or real models.

3. Chaos Legions - ANother no brainer and this one require almost nothing in the way of new models. Even if it only covers the 4 god-specific legions it will be a surefire hit.

2. THe Sensei - the Emperor's Immortal children are the last force fighitng for good in the 41st millennium, they fill a niche no other army can. Put out some character models and rules for Inquisition type warbands and you're done. Plus they're NINJA JEDI HIGHLANDERS! How can this lose?

1. THe Blood Angles - this little known chapter who use the power of geometry to destroy their foes has never had a codex but has over 200 images in the dakka gallery.

Most of the armies there will never get a codex (incl. Harlies or Exodites) or will not get a codex soon (incl. DE).
I'm convinced that BA will get a codex before all other armies in this list.

Current Codexs:

1. SM
2. SW
3. DE
4. BT
5. IG
6. DH
7. WH
8. Tau
9. Chaos Demons
10. CSM 4.0
11. DA
12. Nids
13. Crons

Thats all the current codexs, So If we combinde 6 and 7, we got an Inqusition book.

If we combinde 4, 11 and BA (There not included), we have one big SM chapters of the Imperium book!

If we get a Legions dex with Deamons, Legions and Renegade guard, thats combinding 9 and 10.

Now we got this:

1. Inqusition book
2. SM
3. SW
4. Chapters of the Imperium
5. Crons
6. Chaos Legions, demons and LatD
7. DE
8. IG
9. Tau
10. Nids

If GW does these changes in 2010, and updates DE and Tau, there be back on track.

A great premise for a thread. But what about the Tau and Necrons? Those poor bastards deserve all the help they can get.

olympia wrote:A great premise for a thread. But what about the Tau and Necrons? Those poor bastards deserve all the help they can get.

I think Tau will be considered next.
They have higher sales at the Asian market and deserve a new codex.

Kid,

You mention five armies that deserve a codex that have never had a codex before and, consequently, do not have any significant sort of a following. Why should they deserve a codex before Dark Eldar?

In all the tournaments you have attended and all the gaming groups you have played with in the last twelve months, how many Alien Hunters, Kroot, Adeptus Mechanicus, "Blood Angles," or Sensei players have you played against?

For myself, I play every Saturday and have been to four RTTs. I haven't seen a single one of those armies, not even as a "counts as."

I also notice you fall into the sad group of Imperio-philes; seven of the ten armies you listed are Imperial in nature.

In defense of the DE codex needing an update, you really can't compare the 2nd printing of the DE codex to Codex Daemonhunters. The 2nd printing of the DE codex was identical to the first printing with the inclusion of two pages of material that previously appeared in a white dwarf. All of the page numbers are identical, as is all the material on each page with the exception of an added page of vehicle upgrades that didn't exist. Everything else is identical down to the pictures of the models in the modeling section and the fluff in the back of the book.

Now, I do believe that Daemonhunters should get a codex before Blood Angels. I just agree with some of the previous posters assertion that you left a lot of armies off of the list and included some that have no business being there.

If I was King for a Day (or a few years is more like it based on GW's release schedule), here's my Next 10 Codexes:

1. Dark Eldar
2. Tau
3. Necrons
4. Nids
5. Chaos Marines
6. Lost and the Damned
7. Sisters of Battle
8. Ad Mech
9. Genestealer Cult
10. Grey Knights

Not necessarily in that order.