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Next armies to be (re)released if i was in charge?

1. Dark Eldar
2. Inquisition forces
3. Tyranids
4. Necrons
5. Tau
6. Chaos marines
7. Angels of Death (DA, BA and BT)
8. Eldar (just to bring it to 5th)
9. LatD
10. Ad Mech

ahahahah Kid's hatred bears fruit...

It is funny you hate dark eldar but are happy with squats.. lol or space ninjas.

I like those geometry space marines.. they should definately get a codex..

I think it should go in this order:

- Tyranids. ( already set. ) *early 010*

- Dark spase elfs * mid 010*

- Blood Angels ( PDF dex? ) * late 010*

- Necrons ( more units ) *early 011*

- Tau ( better vespids.....we could also let them be nid food...) ( or let jervis write this one ) *mid 011*

- Black Templars + Dark Angels ( double dex release ) rewrite the codices and maybe a thunderhawk * late 011*

- Imperial forces ( ecclesiarchy = SOB / frateris militia, Ad mech , Grey knights ) *early 012*

- Chaos retirement fond. A few CSM and lots of cultists and traitor IG. *mid 012*

- Inquisition ( maybe a campaign book or part of apoc III or PS II ? ), Malleus / hereticus / xenos ( + assassins and assasins should be the only ally option in 40k ), *late 012*

- Eldar * early 013*

- Orks * mid 013*

- a new race * late 013*

- next edition, WH 42k * 014*

My opinion, discounting nids since they are getting one soon:

Tau-
Crons-
Dark Eldar-
LatD-
Adept-
rest dont matter to me... those 5 are pretty important, specifically the 1st 3, I mean, lets forgo the MARINES!MARINES!IMPERIUM!MARINES! and get some xenos goin, where is the xenos love!?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:The rumblings in the warp are growing and it seems the Red Space Marines might be getting a new codex some time soon.

So I humbly offer this list of better alternatives in the hope someone is listening.

BA need a Codex because they don't have a standalone printed book ATM. If BA are the Marines for next year, it's no biggie - SMs get a Codex every year anyways, so it might as well be BA.

Daemonhunters - HELL, NO! I like my Ld10 Psychic Hoods, Mystics and 10-pt 5-man Stormies with 10-pt Plasma Guns, thankyouverymuch. The absolute last thing I need is Robin to go in and muck the whole thing up. Leave DH alone!!!

Witchhunters - they don't have Mystics, but they do have reasonably-costed Sisters Allies which are vastly superior to IG Stormies (Sv3+, Scoring). Plus, they have the cool freakshow elements and Angels. No, thanks.

Alienhunters? - C: DH as a book built around 1 model (the classic GKT) was a failure, and building C: AH around a scoped bolter and fancy shoulderpad is an even worse idea. At least DH had RT-era RoC: StD list as a predecessor. AH has nothing. The whole =I= thing was a stupid stroke to Gav's ego, so good riddance to bad thinking. I hope this never gets created.

Squats - GW has these guys dead & buried, White Dwarf in space notwithstanding. For GW to re-release, this would be tacit admission that GW massively screwed the pooch by Squatting the Squats. Never gonna happen.

Ad Mech - This is a good idea, but it won't come out before BA.

Kroot - this idea isn't developed well. A GEQ HtH army, like Nids, but without MCs? And Fluff-wise, not techy to cover the gap? Beastmen in Space (tm), so it's not going anywhere.

Lost and the Damned - I agree this is no-brainer GEQ to add, but needs to be monetized. It probably requires a very big push. I would gladly see this before any other GEQ army gets launched or relaunched.

Chaos Legions - Yes, this would do OK, and I'm sure GW is saving it in their back pocket for a rainy day. The problem is marketing, as this releases just prior to a CSM Codex, so you have Cult CSM and non-Cult CSM Codices to release practically right on top of each other. Better have a big 40k event to make this push right. The only good way to do this is to tie Legions to the next 40k base set, as IG vs CSM, with CSM as the first book out the gate. Too bad the Mystery Box stunt proves GW just isn't that clever.

Sensei - We have DH already, and this is DH++. I can't see it.

THe Blood Angles - LOL. For a moment there, I was sure your last pick was going to be "Dark Eldar". Good one.

Screw BA! GW need to "squat" some armies and combinde some codexs. We need every army getting a new codex every three years. So every army gets to play atleast a year of that current edition.

EDIT: If GW can bring the number of Codexs down to 9, then they can do 3 codex releases a year. There not that idiotic, well I hope not....

Blood Angles FTW! I love geometry! And they're red!

I thought most your ideas are ok but why 3 listings for Inquisition they need 1 codex 3 or 4 branches of it all in one and bam your done. That'll be something I buy!

Squats? They need to eat gak and die horrible idea horrible models horrible everything please let them die no codex.

Ad mech is another codex I would LOVE to see I would by a crap ton of this stuff and put myself into debt to do it haha.

Kroot don't need one maybe a need online one like BAs got or an expansion in the next Tau codex.

And DE need one there are quite a few players they just don't play them much haha but theyve been waiting!

All new Dark Angels!!!
Describing how the Lion may be coming back and how he's teamed up with his (ever) trusted (?) Lord Cypher and reached some sort of accord with The Russ. The other missing Primarchs will return also.

I would'nt dish out 10

Dark Eldar

Inquistion *all the specialists*

Tau

Necrons

Chaos

But... they are gonna go through everyone else then the dark eldar!
Heed my words.

Space wolves and blood angels can suck a big one. Same for templars. They should just be included in the regular marine dex. No reason for this bouncing back and forth. What exactly makes blood angels different from wolves or templars. All are close combat armies.
one is drop pods, one is jump packs, one is LRCs.
You have your emogoth vamps, your fursuiters with rabies, and your bible thumpers. Its like the triumvirate of fail. Id rather see them all go the way of squats, and GW come up with a separate codex for the hawk lords before BA get a codex. Or at least update gimpy armies. Tau, Crons, Inquisition, oh and the dark eldar. Give these armies better models, rules and fluff. Seriously, cron players have been waiting for a good 6 years at least. Same for inquisition. Tau are one of the worst armies in 40k. Look at the ard boyz, no tau players at all.

Dont even get me started on dark eldar. But GW will just keep coming out with more hand to hand/marine armies.

Dark eldar fluff sucks. Its like half assed torture. I want a character with a 12 inch long 3 inch wide stick. This stick is coated in fish hook blades and icy hot lotion. He kills you by shoving it up your woohoo and pulling out your intestines through said orifice. Thats dark eldar.

And that is why DE are a different kind of evil.

As excited as I am by the SW codex release (just got it in the mail today), I do think the other factions deserve updating before more SM stuff comes out. I'd hve preferred a Tau book before the SW one, TBH.

I dont necessarily think that BA, BT, and SW shouldnt get dexs. But those shouldnt be priority for full length. If you look at 5th edition releases you have had orks, demons, marines, guard, space wolves.

Thats two marine, and three close combat armies. So now they announce the next release as nids, and then blood angels. Well that means you have 7 5th edition dexs, only two of which are not hand to hand emphasis. Not only does this skew the game in favor of one fighting style, but its unnecessary. The old BA codex sucked. But it had the marine one to back it up.

Other armies have been waiting much much longer. So sure release full length marine dexs. But not until you bring everyone up to date. And bring shooting back into the game.

Well, I say again, 40kRadio has reported that Tau are on the post-nidz horizon. (This new Tau dex will be my personal DE greens.)

The more you hate on the Dark Eldar the more they like it...the sick bastards.

Lord-Loss wrote:Current Codexs:

1. SM
2. SW
3. DE
4. BT
5. IG
6. DH
7. WH
8. Tau
9. Chaos Demons
10. CSM 4.0
11. DA
12. Nids
13. Crons

Thats all the current codexs, So If we combinde 6 and 7, we got an Inqusition book.

If we combinde 4, 11 and BA (There not included), we have one big SM chapters of the Imperium book!

If we get a Legions dex with Deamons, Legions and Renegade guard, thats combinding 9 and 10.

Now we got this:

1. Inqusition book
2. SM
3. SW
4. Chapters of the Imperium
5. Crons
6. Chaos Legions, demons and LatD
7. DE
8. IG
9. Tau
10. Nids

If GW does these changes in 2010, and updates DE and Tau, there be back on track.

Thats what they should of done from the get go. Seriously this crap with giving everything its own codex and such, is dumb. Ive always wondered why DH and WH didnt share a codex. They are pretty close to the same things. Oh thats right, if they all have a separate dex, thats more a chance for them to make money. A holes! The lot of um

@ LordLoss- isn't there some army called the Eldar who have a codex?

I too vote for a combined inquisition codex. However, DE and Necrons need new codices first and definitely before Tau. Both are several years older then the Tau but have only had one codex each, while the Tau have had two. I think there should probably just be one codex:chapters that aren't as cool/important as the Space Wolves, i.e. BA, DA, BT, & Salamanders.

I don't really get what the advantage (other than the preposterous suggestion that it would be better to pay $30 bucks for one codex rather than $25 for two each) would be to combining DH and WH. But I am open to explanations.

I don't think that the DH and Wh should be combined, their unit type is too different. But deathwatch aren't a chapter. They are a group of SM from a bunch of different chapters that don't really seem to have a good reason for being there. We have enough SM armies, we don't need another one.

And this argument should be more directed at the half-dozen SM chapter books....

Let me just say: there is a reason they included Blood Angel terminators in the Space Hulk set.

Lord-Loss wrote:Screw BA! GW need to "squat" some armies and combinde some codexs. We need every army getting a new codex every three years. So every army gets to play atleast a year of that current edition.

EDIT: If GW can bring the number of Codexs down to 9, then they can do 3 codex releases a year. There not that idiotic, well I hope not....

Yeah, and you know what those 9 codices would be right?

1. Space Marines
2. Blood Angels
3. Dark Angels
4. Space Wolves
5. Black Templar
6. Grey Knights (includes Imperial Guard allies)
7. Chaos Space Marines
8. Chaos Daemons (dual release with WHFB daemon book)
9. Aliens

Kid_Kyoto wrote:10. Daemon Hunters - with no updates since 3rd edition and referring to a SM book that was 2 codexes ago and an IG book that was 1 codex ago this is by far the most out of date book and makes an already weak army even worse.

9. Witch Hunters - no updates since 3rd edition and virtually no new sisters models since 2nd this army needs new rules and plastics STAT!

8. Alien Hunters - the long-awaited 3rd Inquisition army would be easy to do (using mostly marine and IG models) and offer a new way to use them. Give them a high-tech commando look unlike the DH's knights and the WH's puritan look and you have a hit.

7. Squats/Demiurge - Squats were promised back in 1995 and the fact that Dakka's gallery has pages and pages of squat armies shows they still have potential. Give them some steampunk giant mining suits and watch the Warmachine and Bioshock players flock in.

6. Adeptus Mech - speaking of giant baroque warmachines...

5. Kroot - With the addition of one sprue for conversions GW could have a whole new race with a fun theme and name. KROOT-KROOT! Say it! It's fun!

4. Chaos Cults/Lost and the Damned - A no-brainer. THe Imperium's greatest foe, part of the game since Rogue Trader but somehow never had a codex or real models.

3. Chaos Legions - ANother no brainer and this one require almost nothing in the way of new models. Even if it only covers the 4 god-specific legions it will be a surefire hit.

2. THe Sensei - the Emperor's Immortal children are the last force fighitng for good in the 41st millennium, they fill a niche no other army can. Put out some character models and rules for Inquisition type warbands and you're done. Plus they're NINJA JEDI HIGHLANDERS! How can this lose?

1. THe Blood Angles - this little known chapter who use the power of geometry to destroy their foes has never had a codex but has over 200 images in the dakka gallery.

You forgot Exodites. Space elves riding dinosaurs with frickin' laserbeams. I mean c'mon - it's a license to print money.

Considering nids and BA are a lock and looking at how GW likes to push an MEQ army every year my semi-wished prediction of what gets updated would be

Nids

BA

Dark Eldar

Necrons (I'm hoping they fulfil the need for an MEQ dex, they and DE need an update more than any other army. DE because of the models and Crons because they suckity suck suck)

Tau

DH or some kind of =][= book (Once DE are done that leaves DH and Crons as the oldest codecii and if we have to have marines once a year then that means chaos or DH)

Eldar (by this point there codex will probably be quite underpowered)

Chaos Legions

BT or DA (Da have a crap codex, BT have an old one and by this point in the cycle will be the second oldest)

LatD or WH depending on what they did with =][=

BT or DA


In terms of deserving an update BA don't have a codex so they get to have one.

Then Dark Eldar and Necrons are number one and two on the list. Dark Eldar still have a competitive codex but their models are atrocious, their fluff is minimal and their codex refers to rules form 2 editions ago. It is simply ridiculous the amount to which they've been left behind. In contrast Necrons have possibly the worst codex in the game for competitive value, only DH rivals it (and that is fine if used as allies). They could also do with a few more units and some more variation in army builds.

Then Tau need an update as the current 5th ed codecii have left this list trailing in the dust. They're still playable but they need a big power boost to get back into the main group of armies.

Then DH/WH needs to be addressed, brought into line with 5th ed and some design decisions need to be made regarding =][=. I know a lot of players don't want them to be touched as they fear losing allies and a lot of the weird units that are powerful since they weren't balanced for 5th. I personally agree but I still think a refresh would be nice if only to get some plastic sisters models finally.

After that if they can tone down the codex creep enough and do a quickie eldar refresh (and maybe fix DA) then all the current codecii will be roughly level. Like that will ever happen.


As for new armies

LatD - yes please. Playable rules for this army need to be available NOW! They comprise the most populous and common threat for the imperium in the background (with the possible exception of orks) but can't be played accurately on the tabeltop! That is pure and utter gak. The problem with the last approach was not producing any dedicated models so while they may have made slight boosts to their existing range (how many ogyrns did the LatD dex flog to make big mutants for example) it is impossible to track. I have no idea how you'd fix that but rules need to be available.

Chaos Legions - unless we're just plain getting a new chaos codex this needs to happen. Not for power reasons but to fix the boring.

Kroot - eh, similar problems as LatD but with a much more limited fluff background. They're fine staying with the Tau but maybe need to be expanded in the Tau list a little more (Perhaps an SC that removes Tau heavy support and elites but adds some new kroot units or at the very least the addition of knarlocs and the shaper council to the standard Tau list)

AdMech - sure, whatever. Its another Imperial force which doesn't excite me too much and the playstyle is basically guard but smaller and with some assaulty (aka orks) but the models should be fantastic and there will be probably be some fun and crazy war machines.

Xenos Hunters - the problems with xenos hunters are legion. Firstly unlike psykers and daemons which generally form a small element in most armies (the exception of course being Daemons) they would be specialists that specialise against eldar, orks, tau, necrons and nids. How do you balance that? The tools you need to fight nids and orks are very different to the tools you need to fight necrons or tau. What equipment fits into a xenos hunting frame that isn't just a multi-shot gun? Also they lack a strong ordo militant to base the army on. Deathwatch are after all just marines. Vet marines from many chapters admittedly but still jus another marine codex and a lot of their uniqueness was nicked by the sternguard. Alien allies and Rogue traders would be cool and everyone wants them but if you use any of the existing races you run into balance issues and inventing new ones raises huge design challenges (although admittedly opportunities too. Who doesn't want to run a pack of clawed fiends of the donorian sector, or ambulls).

The present situation with the trilogy unfinished feels slightly wrong but the xenos book just sits there emanating an enormous pile of problems like a rotting elephant carcass everyone is ignoring.

Sensei - No. Space ninja? No. Besides their supposed to be extraordinarily rare individuals fighting a lone crusade against chaos or at the most functioning as a small warband. They don't have an army. They don't have tanks, support, home bases or a variety of units. A sensei "army" consists of 10 guys wiping out hordes of daemons with their incredible psychic awesomeness.

If GW wants to bring them back then they are a HQ choice or a special character for daemon hunters.

Squats/Demiurge - no squats but yes please to demiurge. Considering we have elves in space, undead in space and orcs in space the dwarves in space motif really isn't out of place. They are a popular archetype too with a big fanbase. I say no too squats because the fluff was poorly developed, the name is awful and their aesthetic trips all over territory the space wolves already have (can't so slayers when the SW have lone wolves). Demiurge offers a blank slate to do dwarves in space and do it properly. And they offer the chance for a different playstyle too and not just slightly more fighty guard.

Hrud - Not a horrible idea. Basically a totally blank slate that anything can be done with. I'd rather see some more important elements of the backstory (=][=, admech, LatD) explored first though.

Manchu wrote:I don't really get what the advantage (other than the preposterous suggestion that it would be better to pay $30 bucks for one codex rather than $25 for two each) would be to combining DH and WH.

Combining the DH and WH =Inquisition= elements along with folding in Deathwatch for an =Inquisition= Codex works just fine...

... *after* restoring Sisters of Battle back to standalone Codex status.
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ChristmasMarine wrote:But deathwatch aren't a chapter. They are a group of SM from a bunch of different chapters that don't really seem to have a good reason for being there.

And this argument should be more directed at the half-dozen SM chapter books....

Agreed. As a single Elite (or Troop) unit in C: =I=, Deathwatch would be a fine thing, akin to Legion of the Damned in C: SM.

That's water under the bridge.

KK has already listed most of the practical reasons for including BA with a new codex in the current release schedule looking into the 1st quarter of 2010. They are all good reasons. While the PDF codex is good (especially when compared to what DA got) I think every army deserves a full blown codex. Blood Angels will need a sprue with stuff like shoulderpads and whatnot like what BT, DA and SW got. I would love to see some new figurines released for Dante, Corbulo and Mephiston but I doubt that will be the case. It is easy for GW to fairly quickly develop and release a full blown codex for Blood Angels. We all know that SM in general are the most popular race... That's just the way it is.

I think that Dark Eldar will go the way of the Squats. They are not a popular army by any stretch of the imagination and that also is just the way it is. Phil Kelly did say at Adepticon two years ago that GW wants to do it right for them and supposedly Jes Goodwin was working on sculpting some new figurines for Dark Eldar. I just don't think the current amount of sales for this race over the past five years can make a good business case for re releasing this army. That said the bean counter mentality is often short sighted... for example I don't think orks were all that popular prior to their re release but now I'm sure the sales for this race is booming with the advent of their new codex and all the many new models. There is no reason why Dark Eldar could not be a popular army is the proper amount of resources was dedicated to this goal. But seeing that they are not popular now if it were my decision I would dedicate the time and resources to other more popular armies.

I don't see Tau deserving a new codex anytime soon... Of all the armies out there they got their second codex much sooner than most other races. Surely Necrons are much more deserving.

In regards to the Ordos, Chaos SM Legions and AdMech I think the Ordos are the most deserving. It could easily be three armies in one codex. I think GW needs to address the many problems inherent with Imperial allies. Personally I would like to see allies in general abolished. Case in point - the very broken inquisitor with two mystics. This special unit was created to counter daemons back when they were fielded in a CSM army and could assault directly from a deep strike. Lesser daemons in the current CSM codex can still do this but they are nothing comparable to the daemons you can field in a pure Chaos Daemons army. Inquisitor with 2x mystics is far too cheap for what you get and it can be overpowering/broken when fielded in an IG army for instance. I think a codex with all three branches of the Ordos will require a lot of tine and resources, as would a CSM Legion codex. If it were my decisions I would complete all the other armies first that don't have a 5th edition codex. Personally I don't see GW developing an AdMech army as you can do something very similar with the new IG.

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I say Blood Angels need a new Codex before Blood Angels because I'm a selfish bastard and my other armies are Eldar and IG.


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Also, killing Dark Eldar would leave a HUGE hole in the fluff.

Owain wrote:I say Blood Angels need a new Codex before Blood Angels because I'm a selfish bastard and my other armies are Eldar and IG.


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Also, killing Dark Eldar would leave a HUGE hole in the fluff.

What hole? The sum total of dark eldar fluff consists of their own codex, a painting of cormorragh, some non-specific flavour text in the Rulebook, Khan cruising through the webway and one ripping out lukas the trickster's heart.

I can write them out of the game and maintain continuity with a sentence. The part of the webway cormorragh was in collapsed and they're all dead.

I can retcon them out completely with two.

Khan ran off to chase daemons.

Lukas got his heart ripped out by an ordinary eldar.

That's hardly fluff presence along the lines of the chaos gods, horus heresy, nid invasion, old ones, etc is it.


They need an update in part because their backstory is so underdeveloped.

Blood Angels have a codex?

I disagree that the Orks fill the same niche as Dark Eldar.

Orks are baddies. But they're baddies that don't need reasons to fight. They're not fighting for some lame, stupid cause. They don't need a cause. Orks will just as likely kill something as they will do anything else.

Dark Eldar, now, Dark Eldar prove that the Eldar soul is corruptible. Dark Eldar prove that the selfishness and cruelty of the Eldar can manifest themselves. The Dark Eldar fight to steal souls to extend their lives can keep that wily pervert Slaanesh at bay. They also use slaves to build buildings and for general labor.

But, in all honesty, 'Crons need a new codex. At least Tau have some decent Anti-Tank (Railguns, Meltas)

@Cryonic: Didn't the Fall prove that already, manyfold over?

Persephone 66 wrote:Blood Angels have a codex?

Yes, our codex is currently a .pdf download since it originally appeared in WD.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180159_Blood_Angels_Codex_and_FAQ_2007-08_5th_Edition.pdf

Pay no attention to the updated to 5E on the front, that's a dirty lie.

That being said it's good enough and I'd still rather see some other codices updated well before ours was.