10 armies that deserve a codex before Blood Angels

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**Neith**

As a Blood Angel player, my view is obviously biased, but the BA Codex is FULL of flaws, inconsistencies and general stupidity that makes it very sub-par compared to 'vanilla' Marines.

- Drop Pods that cost more but are only BS2
- Tranport Vehicles that don't have any Access Points listed
- The only Transport option listed for Terminators is Drop Pods, not even Land Raiders
- Units are more expensive all round (this is to 'accommodate' the free Death Company, but is useless until you actually shell out for some DC models)
- There's barely any fluff section at all, with it being a stripped down PDF, rather than a fully fledged printed Codex.

To be honest, most of that could be fixed with a quick FAQ/Errata, but it's unlikely to happen.

Now, before I say anymore, I do totally agree that some armies do need a Codex rehash before BA (Dark Eldar, Daemonhunters, Witch Hunters, Necrons, maybe even Dark Angels), and the BA Codex PDF isn't terrible, but it certainly leaves a lot to be desired when compared to the vanilla Marines Codex.

While we're on the subject of BA: Bring back Moriar as a Special Character, and give Lemartes a new sculpt

**Arschbombe**

Green Blow Fly wrote:Hard to believe people are still discussing this moot point.

It's emotional energy feeding a warp storm. It has now spread beyond the "who so many marines" meme to the "why nids" meme. If they keep it up I think we're looking at another tear in real space. This one will be called the Sphincter of Anguish.

**agnosto**

Arschbombe wrote:
Green Blow Fly wrote:Hard to believe people are still discussing this moot point.

It's emotional energy feeding a warp storm. It has now spread beyond the "who so many marines" meme to the "why nids" meme. If they keep it up I think we're looking at another tear in real space. This one will be called the Sphincter of Anguish.

Let's all load up the whaaambulance and have a good cry.

Since GW can't be bothered to make rules for my army, I'll make my own and carry a baseball bat around for anybody that dares to question them. bwahahahahah

**Black Blow Fly**

It's gets so boring watching people post their bitchy little whines.

G

**Demogerg**

Green Blow Fly wrote:It's gets so boring watching people post their bitchy little whines.

G

Agreed.

same thing happened with the Wolves' dex.

**Black Blow Fly**

SW got a nice dex. It shows that Phil can do just as good a job with power armor as xenos. : )

G

**carmachu**

Saldiven wrote:Kid,

You mention five armies that deserve a codex that have never had a codex before and, consequently, do not have any significant sort of a following. Why should they deserve a codex before Dark Eldar?

By that logic, we should bring back squats, because they had a following before the axe. And necrons and tau had zero following before being introduced and no premise in the 40k Universe before being created out of whole cloth.

Just because it didnt have a following before, isnt a reason tehy should get a codex. Hell DE had zero following at one point before being created.

**phantommaster**

Just to point out.

New codexes coming out:

Tyranids: Almost here
Necrons: Well under way
Dark Eldar: Well under way
DH: Just started
WH: Just started

**Alkasyn**

Saldiven wrote:Kid,

You mention five armies that deserve a codex that have never had a codex before and, consequently, do not have any significant sort of a following. Why should they deserve a codex before Dark Eldar?

In all the tournaments you have attended and all the gaming groups you have played with in the last twelve months, how many Alien Hunters, Kroot, Adeptus Mechanicus, "Blood Angles," or Sensei players have you played against?

For myself, I play every Saturday and have been to four RTTs. I haven't seen a single one of those armies, not even as a "counts as."

I also notice you fall into the sad group of Imperio-philes; seven of the ten armies you listed are Imperial in nature.

In defense of the DE codex needing an update, you really can't compare the 2nd printing of the DE codex to Codex Daemonhunters. The 2nd printing of the DE codex was identical to the first printing with the inclusion of two pages of material that previously appeared in a white dwarf. All of the page numbers are identical, as is all the material on each page with the exception of an added page of vehicle upgrades that didn't exist. Everything else is identical down to the pictures of the models in the modeling section and the fluff in the back of the book.

Now, I do believe that Daemonhunters should get a codex before Blood Angels. I just agree with some of the previous posters assertion that you left a lot of armies off of the list and included some that have no business being there.

I think you should check your Gmail inbox, you've been chosen to apply for the "Sense of Humour" programme at your local Human Development Centre. Do reply!

**thehod**

Necrons need a codex first because they are almost unplayable with combat resolution, glancing table, and coversaves.

Tau would be next to update many of their rules up to 5th and lower costs on Devilfish

Unified Inquisition Codex to update them to 5th and add alien hunters

New Dark Angels Codex: nuff said

Dark Eldar: Just update them to 5th even though they still rock and do relatively well. If you give them some good models and some proper support, people will play them.

Chaos Space Marines: Give them the Space marine treatment.

Eldar: Make it so mechdar isisnt the only viable build in the codex.

Blood Angels: FInally them.

**Arschbombe**

Well, I'm glad we got that sorted. Someone send that to GW for action. I'm sure they'll get right on it.

**JohnHwangDD**

Well, they've got the BA part sorted, along with the Nids.

Necrons are pretty much a given, considering how much of a shamble their rules are.

That just leaves Inquisition to be cleaned up.

**Oldoneeye**

SQUATS NONONONO! Chaos Legions OK, Necrons for sure, and what about the Salamanders? And one more thing....How about a non-chaos rebelling against the Emperor army?

**Xenith**

You seem to forget that after Dark Eldar, the Blood Angels are the army that has been waiting second longest for a true, dedicated, published, on sale for money book full of the background, paint schemes and rules for use in the game.

Even then, the codex was a 24 page mini dex.

**ObiFett**

JohnHwangDD wrote:Well, they've got the BA part sorted, along with the Nids.

Necrons are pretty much a given, considering how much of a shamble their rules are.

That just leaves Inquisition to be cleaned up.

and Tau.

Tau need an update.

Badly.

**Black Blow Fly**

Tau already has had two codices with the second one following fairly close after the first.

G

**Arschbombe**

Tau need a dex, but I can imagine a new chaos god being birthed if they get yet another dex before the Darkies.

**Henners91**

OP is silly, Dark Eldar will always have far more of a following than bally Sensei (what the hell would they take as troops?) and KROOT?!

And aren't Squats considered the joke of 40k?

At any rate, I think Dark Eldar have cool themes and an awesome aesthetic, I'm just too nooby to play with them and I heard about how out of date the army generally is.

**Black Blow Fly**

They only win because all the new players do not know their rules. I would be ashamed to play them competively.

G

**Eidolon**

Green Blow Fly wrote:They only win because all the new players do not know their rules. I would be ashamed to play them competively.

G

I hate to say it but im finding this is largely true. They catch far too many players by surprise. Not of course that there arent good dark eldar players, but its more the lack of experience against the army then it requiring a tactical genius to play.

**Black Blow Fly**

Are you a metalhead too Eidy?

G

**Archonate**

Eidolon wrote:
Green Blow Fly wrote:They only win because all the new players do not know their rules. I would be ashamed to play them competively.

G

I hate to say it but im finding this is largely true. They catch far too many players by surprise. Not of course that there arent good dark eldar players, but its more the lack of experience against the army then it requiring a tactical genius to play.

Oh undoubtedly. This is something that DE players know and take full advantage of. To this day I still get opponents who throw tantrums because they didn't know I could assault on the same turn that I disembark from a transport. It's not my fault that they don't know open-top vehicle rules. Nor is it a DE player's responsibility to lecture their opponents on every nuance of the army. Why feel ashamed over somebody else's ignorance? It's not like DE players are deliberately deceptive.

They would definitely lose a lot more games though if people knew more about them... Which is evidence of a weak codex that offers very little versatility.

**JohnHwangDD**

Archonate wrote:They would definitely lose a lot more games though if people knew more about them... Which is evidence of a weak codex that offers very little versatility.

Doesn't that apply to every Codex? Isn't their very popularity part of why Marines lose a lot of games, and the relative obscurity of Xenos why they win a few more games?

**Archonate**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Archonate wrote:They would definitely lose a lot more games though if people knew more about them... Which is evidence of a weak codex that offers very little versatility.

Doesn't that apply to every Codex? Isn't their very popularity part of why Marines lose a lot of games, and the relative obscurity of Xenos why they win a few more games?

Indeed it is. Though nobody complains when their army gets some attention.

**wuestenfux**

Neith wrote:As a Blood Angel player, my view is obviously biased, but the BA Codex is FULL of flaws, inconsistencies and general stupidity that makes it very sub-par compared to 'vanilla' Marines.

- Drop Pods that cost more but are only BS2
- Tranport Vehicles that don't have any Access Points listed
- The only Transport option listed for Terminators is Drop Pods, not even Land Raiders
- Units are more expensive all round (this is to 'accommodate' the free Death Company, but is useless until you actually shell out for some DC models)
- There's barely any fluff section at all, with it being a stripped down PDF, rather than a fully fledged printed Codex.

To be honest, most of that could be fixed with a quick FAQ/Errata, but it's unlikely to happen.

Now, before I say anymore, I do totally agree that some armies do need a Codex rehash before BA (Dark Eldar, Daemonhunters, Witch Hunters, Necrons, maybe even Dark Angels), and the BA Codex PDF isn't terrible, but it certainly leaves a lot to be desired when compared to the vanilla Marines Codex.

While we're on the subject of BA: Bring back Moriar as a Special Character, and give Lemartes a new sculpt

That BA codex was jervisified.

**JohnHwangDD**

True, the WD BA were streamlined. But still quite playable.

**Black Blow Fly**

Not nearly as bad as DA. BA do have one competitive build.

G

**Volkov**

I used to play Dark Angels...they were my first army so long ago, I liked their fluff, but now their rules are such garbage...

**Kid_Kyoto**

Wow, people are still talking about this.

**wuestenfux**

BA deserves a codex.
How many armies are out there whose codex was jervisified?
DA and BA.
But DA got a printed codex, BA not.