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Hi, I'm running a quick survey.

Who do you think is the most powerful close-combat character in the game?

It doesn't need to be a Named Character, (although it quite probably will be). He can be tooled up however you like, however he must be an HQ independant character, who is NOT a monstrous creature (as that would make the contest a bit boring.).

He can have whatever wargear, and you can take into account everything to do with his close-combat abilities (IE: You don't just have to look at Tigurius's statline, take things like Might of Ancients into consideration, too.)

The question is, who do you think? Below the dotted line, I'll make a list of all the nominations. The one with the most votes at any one time is officially the 'Ardest! Have fun!

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Da killy list: (The number in brackets = the number of votes the person has.)

Kharn the Betrayer (5)

Lucius the Eternal (2)

Archon + Jetbike + lots of killy stuff (7)

Logan Grimnar (2)

Marneus Calgar (1)

Abaddon (8)

Karandras (2)

Old Zogwort (1)

Canis Wolfborn (1)

Lysander (1)

Mephiston (1)

Lukas the Trickster (1)

Archite (2)

Tooled-up Broodlord (3)

Ghazghkull Thraka (6)

Skulltaker in Chariot (3)

Grey Knight Grandmaster (1)

Prince Yriel (1)

One Grot (?) (1) ...Presumably sitting in the back of a supa-rokkit, perhaps?


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Current Leader:
Abaddon the Despoiler

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Sorry, but when I first read your thread's title, I figured this was a Slanesh themed discusion

Hmm, I take your point. Duly edited.

as a csm player i'd nominate kharn and lucius.

Kharn might be brutal, lucius can potentially be devastating thanks to the armor.

I find your survey a little skewed. I mean you've pretty much eliminated Tyranids from the running by not allowing MC HQ choices. I mean the Hive Tyrant is an amazing CC HQ choice if tooled properly. The only other real option for the Tyranids in this survey would be the Broodlord and if you compared them stat to stat and upgrade to upgrade the Hive Tyrant just beats him hands down, not to mention the option of having a Tyrant Guard which further increases the Tyrants lethality by comparison.

But then again this is just my opinion and I enjoy my 'Nids so I'm partial to them, heh.

A archon on a jet bike with animus vitae, combatdrugs, shadowfield, punisher, tormentor helm, and a trophy rack is pretty stacked.


Ws 8, Str 6, T4, 5 power weapon attacks without the charge, Init 7, Leadership 10, and a 2+ invuln save. Oh and he rerolls misses and strikes first if you want to chance some drugs

Marneus Calgar and Logan Grimnar are both pretty high up on the bad ass tree although Calgar probably seals it with his re-rolls and extra wound.

A Wolf Lord on a Thunderwolf with Saga of the Bear, Saga of the warrior born, belt of russ, frost blade and some other cc weapon, wolf tooth necklace and runic armour is pretty damn hard core. WS6, BS5, Str6, T5, A6 without the charge, Init5, W3, Sv 2+/4++, Eternal Warrior, ignores armour saves, hits anything in the game on a 3+ regardless of weapon skill and however many models he kills is added to his attack characteristic next round potentially giving him an exponentially increasing number of attacks. So if he chews up enough ork boyz for 2 or 3 rounds he can charge pretty much any other IC and have a decent chance of killing him.

Someone mentioned Kharn and Lucius but obviously the hardest character from the Chaos Dex is Abaddon. Drachnyen for the win.

Luckas the trickster isn't technically an IC but he can theoretically kill any other model anyone submits for this contest provided he dies first.

Mephiston from BA lacks an invulnerable which sucks but otherwise is an absolute beast.

GK Grandmasters are very tasty. I'm not up on the wargear right now and don't have the codex with me but potentially they can rock a 2+/4++ save and a str6 force weapon with a WS of 6 I believe? And in their off hand they can carry a psy-cannon which will kill a tooled up archon with shadowfield very easily.

A Warboss on bike probably isn't as nasty as some of these but is respectable nonetheless. With a bike, cybork, attack squig, power klaw and your choice of kombi-shoota to taste they get WS5, BS2, Str10, T6, Init4 (but obviously striking last due to pk), A5 without the charge, W3, Sv4+/5++ and an always on 4+cover save. Plus a twin-linked str 5 assault 3 18" gun and the ability to turbo-boost. He's basically a fast small monstrous creature.

Clthomps wrote:A archon on a jet bike with animus vitae, combatdrugs, shadowfield, punisher, tormentor helm, and a trophy rack is pretty stacked.


Ws 8, Str 6, T4, 5 power weapon attacks without the charge, Init 7, Leadership 10, and a 2+ invuln save. Oh and he rerolls misses and strikes first if you want to chance some drugs

Animus Vitae + Jetbike + Punisher + Drugs = Str 7, if you need to chance more drugs. Striking first isn't usually a problem with Init 7, but should you need to...

Logan Grimnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!

For points effeciency: Kharn. Hands down. He doesn't cost more than a regular HQ but never misses (literally) and is more than able to kill anything in the game (even Titans).

For death deeling, regardless of points, that Archon sounds juicy. Actually, he is only 190, so it isn't bad.

In reply to Fexor, should you allow MCs, it'd basically be Bloodthirsters, or Hive Tyrants, but probably the Nightbringer. There are far more 'normal' characters, thus making it a much more interesting discussion.

Abbadon is pretty kick ass in battle

This should be a poll.

I think Grimnar would win, but Calgar might as well.

Nightbringer hands down.

And if you say that he isn't or that he is a MC so it doesn't count...he will just bend reality so he does.

Although he doesn't have a Invulnerable save, Karandras is a hard CC character, 6/7 attacks, I, WS and BS7. He may not have the greatest Strength and toughness, but everywhere else he's hard

Yeah, I change my vote to the Nightbringer seeing as we seem to be able to add him to the list.

Isn't a Bloodthirster pretty handy in CC?

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

Luckas the trickster isn't technically an IC but he can theoretically kill any other model anyone submits for this contest provided he dies first.

Wouldn't he win if they die first?

I get what you mean, just thought the wording was funny.

Abaddon hands down.

Kharn. He can chop anything to little pieces and doesn´t come with a prohibitive point cost. Abaddon is a close contender but has that problem of controlling his Deamon weapon ( plus is more costly and can´t sweep adv. ).

Old Zogwurt with his curse

Awww Lucius the Squig, Kahrn the piggy!

archon/dracon if we're talking points value; now there's something to discuss....

my vote is for the archon. On the JB, as long as that 2+ invul save keeps going, he is a beast.

I'm gonna say Canis Wolfborn. I mean, I can see why people are saying Grimnar, but having as many attacks as there are men around you? I see that as pretty damn immense.

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Abaddon.He could seriously take anything which has been stated before. Second is Grimnar. But Abaddon would own him. Abaddons stats:
Ws-7
bs-5
S-8
T-5
W-4
I-6
A-4+D6
He has tda, a 4+ Invun, is fearless, is a teleport homer, re-rolls wounds, and ignores instant death. He's hardcore.

+1 Abaddon

May be Khârn

4 abaddon votes so far....also, ahriman is pretty handy with psychic powers, as is eldrad. Too bad kharn ignores :(

Lysander

Ya just on pure stats not cost effeciency Abbadon is the best a Daemon weapon with base 4 attacks and and S8? I'll take 8. Also the ability yo reroll wounds and being WS like 6 or 7