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I have recently completed a 40k IG list at 2000pts, and I have a dilemma. My list falls at either 1995 or 2005 pts, depending on whether I take my plasma vets in a chimera with a heavy stubber or without. Obviously this is not a big deal, but since I have 2 plasma vet squads, it bugs me to lose the symmetry (meaning 1 with a stubber and 1 without).

Basically I was just wondering what the dakka community thinks of lists that come in a few points over. I don't mind personally if my opponent is 5-10 pts over, but I know that my list wouldn't be legal at a 2k tourny and I would have to go in there with asymmetric troop transports *shudder*.

So long as the cost of anything over the limit comes at equal to or less than half of the value of the cheapest model in your list (base cost, no additional wargear), I'm happy. For example, if an Ork army isfeaturing boyz as its cheapest model, then going over by 3 points is fine with me.

I would personally rather be a few points under than a few points over. I very much dislike either running a list that's over, or playing against one. See if there's some 5-point upgrade you can drop elsewhere. Otherwise, you can choose to be asymmetric (and believe me, I feel your pain, that's annoying) or run 5 points under.

I do not accept a list, neither mine nor the opponents, to run over by any amount.

In my Necron lists I often run under by a significant amount, simply because Necrons don't have a lot of options. I either redo my list or simply live with it.

I really don't like it. From a new player I'll let it slide, just because they're still feeling out their codex...

From experienced players I wouldn't want to put up with it, but thankfully it never comes up.

In a friendly game I wouldn't mind 5 points, but tournaments are pretty cutthroat. Drop a melta bomb somewhere or something.

Yeah, no, you're not allowed to be over points in my book. I have exceptions, like last friday our Guard player played at 425 points for a 400 point Combat Patrol, but against Nurgle Marines and 'Nids the odds were skewed against him anyway so I was fine with it. The higher you go in points though, the more the game balances itself out, and the more space you have to drop that odd item.

I really don't care, usually if my opponent's list is somewhere within 50 pts of the supposed value, I don't really care.

A point here and there is utterly unimportant to me. I think any amount up to a few percent of the list value wouldn't even bother me. I'd rather play than spend even a minute waiting for my opponent to fix his list. My experience is that most people who are a bit above did not make a focused army list that will profit much from a few points, but rather took a lot of different things they felt was powerful, cool or newly painted. So I tend to take slight over costs as indications of a "friendly game".

However, I personaly like the challenge of making my lists exact or slightly below.

My group usually has a tolerance of 10 points or so, at that much there isn't a whole lot that can be ultimately game changing.

apwill4765 wrote: Obviously this is not a big deal, but since I have 2 plasma vet squads, it bugs me to lose the symmetry (meaning 1 with a stubber and 1 without).

The obvious answer then being to also drop the other stubber and spend the points elsewhere.


If you're agreeing to play a (for example) 1500 point game, then you need a list that is 1500 points or less.


For the record, I'll usually not have a problem with an opponent going over... so long as they tell me before hand, so I can adjust my own list to match if I feel so inclined. I don't set any hard and fast 'this much over is acceptable' rule, as that's pretty pointless... you might as well just set the point limit higher to begin with.

Pretty conservative stance. Agreed points or under is the norm. If at the last minute one or the other player notices that his list is a few point over, we`ll try to find a quick amicably solution. Either he drops something or I add a similar amount of points to balance things. Usually this is nothing more serious than some meltabombs or krak grenades making a last minute entry.

For a friendly game...with my friends...I'm ok with a couple of points. 2-3 points. 5 points would be too much; that's an easy 5 point thing to take away.

In a tournament setting, instant disqualification.

A 2,000 point game isn't a guideline, its an instruction. Make a 2,000 point list. You have 2,000 points to build the best list you can - not 2000 points, give or take a few. I have plenty of lists that are 1846 or 1849, but never 1851.

One of my fantasy lists is 2251.

Bite me.

I'm fine with 5 off in either direction.

For the most part 5 or so points over is not a big deal really. Unless your in a tourny of course.

But for freindly games 5 points is not that big a deal. 5 points has never been game breaking to anyone.

Eos Rahh wrote:But for freindly games 5 points is not that big a deal. 5 points has never been game breaking to anyone.

In which case there's no real reason for the player with the over-cost list to not simply remove those 5 points and have a legal list, is there?

I tend to go under rather than over for my tourney lists, but I'm not terribly picky about my opponent being a few points over.

One chap I played against at a tourney had the weapon that straddled the points total attached to his model with magnets and he just let his opponent make the call. I though it a nice gesture which was helped along by the neat model.

We usually reach an agreement such as adding or dropping as seen fit. If it's within 5-10 we don't care too much as long as the other is honest about it.

My friends and I don't really care. Typically, if one list is at limit and the other goes over a few points, the one that's at limit will find something to even it out. No matter how little it matters (Like giving a single unit some frags or something) it's most important for the two lists to be as close to equal points as possible, although we usually cap off at about 10 points over. Our most recent 500 point game turned into a 511, then a 515 point game.

I think it really depends on what points you're starting at. Because at 500 points, such as in my example, there were no minor, 5-point upgrades to drop. At 1500 or so, though, there are probably a few minor pieces of gear in there that can easily be knocked off to put the points on a list back to 1500.

That's my problem, my smallest upgrades are at +10 pts. So I'm either over by 5 or under by 5. When the difference comes down to 1 heavy stubber, it doesn't seem to matter.

Nothing over. Period.

I'd have to agree with fafnir, if your a couple points over I don't really mind, but if its something that could be removed easily then its a little touchy. In a friendly game it doesn't really matter tho.

If my opponent is over by more than 5 points, I usually add something in myself to even it out, unless they can simply remove it.

I had a 1500 point game once. It went something like this:

"I'm 25 points over, can you add 25 to your list?"
"Sure. Whoops, I'm about 100 points over."
"Wanna just play 1750?"
"Okay."

I do not mind if someone is over by a marginal amount. If dropping an extra Boy or a Meltabomb would get them back to points I would ask they did that, but I would not complain about the odd point here or there. On the other hand, I find most of my lists tend to be 5-10 points under; that is just the way it tends to work out.

Tell your opponent you're five over and offer him the opportunity to add ten extra points to his list to balance it out. He'll end up with a five point advantage but it probably won't matter.

Nothing over, clear and simple. Any vageries and you start saying 'no more than 5-10', but then what about 11? You have to say no somewhere, so why not say no at the agreed points limit?

5 points?

I don't think any normal person wouldn't mind

but maybe a tounament, just risk assymetry.

If someone is 5 points over just add some melta bombs to your list and get on with it.