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What do you think is the worst gun in the game considering avaibility and battlefield effectiveness?

Once my termies were shot by about 100+ lasgun shots and only one died. I consider 15 bolters more scary.

The lasgun is certainly a possibility. The grot blasta is not, as gretchin somehow will always kill something big.

In terms of effect, nothing is worse than the grot blaster.

In terms of effeciency (effect over cost), things become more wideopen. Hot shot lasguns pay a criminal premium for AP3 on an S3 gun. The kustom mega blasta for Loota Meks is a terrible downgrade from a dakkagun. IG heavy flamers are not only four times the cost of a standard flamer, but also use up a special weapon slot, not a heavy weapon slot.

illuknisaa wrote:Once my termies were shot by about 100+ lasgun shots and only one died. I consider 15 bolters more scary.

that realy depends, I also hit 6 termies with around 100 shots one time. All of them died.

With imperial guard, it doesn't matter what the power or their rifles is. Numbers do mater.

Yeah, in terms of efficiency, the hot shot lasgun is pretty awful. That or the ripper gun.

I suppose the worst ones would be upgrades on really expensive things that you don't take for the firepower, like the gorgon pintle stubbers or other silly forgeworld things like the land raider ares.

Tau pulse rifle.

Yeah, I said it. Its probably more due to the fact that the firewarrior is the total suck and spends 4 of the 5-6 game turns hiding in a D-fish.

But for the points you pay 10 points for each gun, and they don't do anything all game long.

Stub Gun.

I would say the storm bolter upgrade on IG tanks is pretty useless - since you can take the clearly superior heavy stubber instead, for the same cost (even that isn't always a decent choice)

Perhaps the starcannon? Grossly overpriced compared to the other eldar heavy weapons. I would never, ever even consider taking it on any vehicle. Maybe if I knew I was playing necrons without monoliths . . . even then, no.

Sternguard storm bolters. You pay 5 points a model to get one extra shot when charging and at 12-24", and give up the special ammo, which is the squad's main special ability.

Jayden63 wrote:Tau pulse rifle.

Yeah, I said it. Its probably more due to the fact that the firewarrior is the total suck and spends 4 of the 5-6 game turns hiding in a D-fish.

But for the points you pay 10 points for each gun, and they don't do anything all game long.

i beg to differ, the Carbine is clearly worse as pinning is worthless against most units you would want pinned and Assault1 with a 12" range is simply stupid.

Freebooters gun. 20 pt base HTH nob with no HTH weapons then spend 5 to 20 points for a gun that might be amazing except for the fact you have ork BS of 2.

Oooh 10 freebooters pumping out 20 S6 AP d6-1 shots for a mere 400 points!!!

and your lucky if 5 of them hit

Nope, you're all wrong. The Dark Eldar have the worst gun in the game: the Splinter Rifle. S3 AP5 18" Rapid Fire. You are never in range, it will never inflict damage and you can't assault after it. Atleast the Grot Blaster is Assault.

but then your playing DE.

you can get 23 Bright lances in a 1500 point list


HQ some cheap 105 point HQ

Dark Eldar Warriors x10 2 Dark Lances @10pts each = 100pts

Dark Eldar Warriors x10 2 Dark Lances @10pts each = 100pts

Dark Eldar Warriors x10 2 Dark Lances @10pts each = 100pts

Dark Eldar Warriors x10 2 Dark Lances @10pts each = 100pts

Dark Eldar Warriors x10 2 Dark Lances @10pts each = 100pts

Troops = 600 pts

Heavy Support:

Ravager 3x Dark Lance =105 pts

Ravager 3x Dark Lance =105 pts

Ravager 3x Dark Lance =105 pts

Heavy Support = 315 pts

Elites:

Grotesque x5 Raider Dark Lance = 130pts

Grotesque x5 Raider Dark Lance = 130pts

Grotesque x5 Raider Dark Lance = 130pts

Elites = 390 pts

Urien Rakrath UberGrotesque x3 Raider Darklance = 190pts

1500 points.

DarkHound wrote:Nope, you're all wrong. The Dark Eldar have the worst gun in the game: the Splinter Rifle. S3 AP5 18" Rapid Fire. You are never in range, it will never inflict damage and you can't assault after it. Atleast the Grot Blaster is Assault.

Actually, because it's AP 5, it's better than the lasgun. The only problem is range, which isn't really a problem given that everything gets a raider.

Grey Templar wrote:but then your playing DE, you can get 23 Bright lances in a 1500 point list

And that isn't relevant to this thread.

Ailaros wrote:Actually, because it's AP 5, it's better than the lasgun. The only problem is range, which isn't really a problem given that everything gets a raider.

I'd say an AP over 4 is irrelevant, and while the issue with range can be midigated by a Raider, that only accentuates the lack of Assault. Sure you'll roll up nice and close with your cardboard-box-jet, you'll get out and drop a bunch of S3 shooting, and then sit there and eat return fire. You'll never actually fire the weapon either because you need to assault or you're out of range.

According to my codex Splinter rifles have 24" Range.

Ailaros wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Nope, you're all wrong. The Dark Eldar have the worst gun in the game: the Splinter Rifle. S3 AP5 18" Rapid Fire. You are never in range, it will never inflict damage and you can't assault after it. Atleast the Grot Blaster is Assault.

Actually, because it's AP 5, it's better than the lasgun. The only problem is range, which isn't really a problem given that everything gets a raider.

I have to disagree - the Splinter Rifle is worse than a lasgun. Lasguns can be effected by orders - making them much more dangerous. FRFSRF can be disgusting.

By that reasoning the fact that Splinter rifles are BS4 becomes a factor.

Really, the problem isn't the splinter rifle, but that the rules changed around it. When the book was written rapid fire weapons could shoot once before a charge.

I think stranglewebs are worth honorable mention. . . .
s2 (wounds vs Strength?!) template that triples the cost of the model using it.

Maybe not the worst, but spike rifles are pretty bad, 18" S3 AP- assault 1 and you have to pay to "upgrade" to em.

I'm going with the hellpistol. S3 AP5 weapon available everywhere you can get a S4 AP5 weapon, with the same range, FOR THE SAME PRICE!

I'm no expert at 40k, but why would you want to assault with a DE warrior anyway?

I also think that including the possibility of orders is a little unfair since that's not actually measuring the effectiveness of the gun itself.

I think that the Guardian's shuriken catapult is pretty bad as well. It's better than a single lasgun but still pretty bad.

As an Eldar player the swooping hawks lasblaster is pretty awful considering the points you are spending to get that unit, 21 points for a units with a Str 3 Ap 5 weapon is rough

alspal8me wrote:As an Eldar player the swooping hawks lasblaster is pretty awful considering the points you are spending to get that unit, 21 points for a units with a Str 3 Ap 5 weapon is rough

...that is assault 2 24" range, being fired after the large blast they drop down is.

IMO, any gun with "get's hot" isn't worth it unless it's on a vehicle.

Tyranid Spinefist

Kurgash wrote:Tyranid Spinefist

Those are pretty funny on rippers though. . . .

DarkHound wrote:I'd say an AP over 4 is irrelevant

Sure, unless you're playing against tyranid, eldar, guard, dark eldar or orks, in which case it's 33% more useful than an Ap - weapon of the same strength.

Polonius wrote:Really, the problem isn't the splinter rifle, but that the rules changed around it. When the book was written rapid fire weapons could shoot once before a charge.

Ah, this makes them make more sense. I really wish I could choose to fire my lasguns as laspistols. Oh well.

daedalus wrote:I'm going with the hellpistol. S3 AP5 weapon available everywhere you can get a S4 AP5 weapon, with the same range, FOR THE SAME PRICE!

Yeah, actually. The new hot-shot laspistols make more sense, being AP3 and all, but if you're stuck with old stormies, this has got to be one of the crappier weapons out there.

DAaddict wrote:Freebooters gun. 20 pt base HTH nob with no HTH weapons then spend 5 to 20 points for a gun that might be amazing except for the fact you have ork BS of 2.

Oooh 10 freebooters pumping out 20 S6 AP d6-1 shots for a mere 400 points!!!

Snazzgun is pretty amazing and when you take small squads they tend to go unnoticed in a objective match and give them a chance kill something.