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Hi there, I was thinking about buying Grey Knights, but I wanted to fit them into a chaos theme. I was thinking that they could be Grey Knights that have fallen in battle on countless daemon worlds, as they struggle to keep the chaos at bay, and are re-animated by some crazy apocathery by entombing a daemon in their armour. The daemon uses the corpse in the armour, almost like a host body. The daemon feeds off the corpses flesh and soul, giving it energy to walk round in this massive hulking suit of ancient sacred battle plate. What do you think? Is the explanation good enough to explain Chaos Grey Knights?

Necromancy in 40k....I like it.

The second one is you're best shot, it's definitely a cool theme for an army.

Fluff wise,i believe that the Grey Knights would leave no man behind,as when they die,their wish is to be buried on Titan.I have never come across anything in the fluff ( i do not think any exists ) involving possessed GK,alive or dead.
Although i realise i say this because i find the GK very,very cool ( and i do not want to think of any dead being taken by the powers of chaos ) and i am currently building a Brotherhood myself.
Its a very interesting idea,one i never would have thought of due to my army choices being loyalist in the extreme.

iproxtaco wrote:The second one is you're best shot, it's definitely a cool theme for an army.

Thanks

No No and No. Some things just don't work and that is one of them.

Explain how is doesn't work? The first is bending the fluff, but the second is feasible.

i would use Counts as.


have them represent a Thousand Sons force that is all Sorcerors. would explain all the psychic powers and super abilities.


do NOT say they are fallen GKs.

the idea of their bodies being posessed after death is a little off too. the Armor itself causes Deamons shirk away and the flesh would be utterly repulsive to wear.

The whole concept of Grey Knights is that they are pure,not corrupted in ANY way. In life or death. Even counts as is hearsy most foul.

Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

Yeah simply just do it. Right now I'm should be complaining but it's your money and your decision.

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Indeed, if a legitimately fluffy army is what you're seeking, then you're honestly quite limited in your choices, but otherwise there's nothing stopping you.

Avatar 720 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Indeed, if a legitimately fluffy army is what you're seeking, then you're honestly quite limited in your choices, but otherwise there's nothing stopping you.

Exactly this...

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

Arm.chair.general wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

Because Grey Knights are sacred both in life and death. Like how a Space Marine chapter will retrieve as many geneseeds as possible from their fallen comrades, the Grey Knights will never leave the body of a fallen brother behind unless it's truly irretrievable, which would likely put it beyond reasonable possession by anything too.

The runes on their armour would likely give their bodies some form of protection against daemonic energies too.

Grey knights are anathema to daemons. The armor has wards, etc., wrought into it. I do not think a daemon would want to wear armor that repelled it with latent psychic energy.

Arm.chair.general wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

Because the very essence of Grey Knights is anathema to a Demon's existence.

Arm.chair.general wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

GK armour is... well essentially made to be... very resistant to daemonic attacks and other such silliness.
It might be possible with a sorceror of sufficient strength but it wouldn't be worth it.

Wow triple ninja'ed... go Dakka

Arm.chair.general wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

Because their bodies and armour are filled with psychic wards and ointments that make even approaching one fallen GK as quite dangerous for those who consort with the warp powers.

VikingScott wrote:Yeah simply just do it. Right now I'm should be complaining but it's your money and your decision.

You are right. but he asked so I gave him my opinion. I would nevern play him with that army. But you are 100% right, in the end it's his money and he can do what he wants to with it.

I guess the only use for those models then is as casualties on my chaos space marine bases

Black Dragon wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Yeah simply just do it. Right now I'm should be complaining but it's your money and your decision.

You are right. but he asked so I gave him my opinion. I would nevern play him with that army. But you are 100% right, in the end it's his money and he can do what he wants to with it.

You wouldn't play it?
That's a bit far...

purplefood wrote:

Black Dragon wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Yeah simply just do it. Right now I'm should be complaining but it's your money and your decision.

You are right. but he asked so I gave him my opinion. I would nevern play him with that army. But you are 100% right, in the end it's his money and he can do what he wants to with it.

You wouldn't play it?
That's a bit far...

I imagine that it uses the same arguments as people who refuse to play armies that aren't painted.

It's their own choice, but i'll never understand it.

The problem is that GKs all wish to be buried on Titan and GK armour is even more expensive than normal power armour so they fight entire battles just to reclaim fallen GKs.

Also GK armour im made to fight daemons and is covered in symbols which push back daemons. It's painful for daemons to stand near GK armour, possesing it would be even worse.

Your best justification for chaos using GK rules is to run them as an elite Word bearers army. Having chaos armour and Daemon weapons could explain the rules.

To be honest Grey Knights are heretics in their own way, they may not be worshipping Chaos, but they are in no way divine and one of the purest armies withing the imperium, they will destroy whole worlds if there is just a slight whiff of taint... so it would be very easy for Chaos to maipulate them by planting heretics and traitors on worlds, causing the Grey Knights to go and purge the worlds.

What constitutes Heresy is enforced by The Inquisition and the upper echelons of Imperial Command, thus The Grey Knights are super non-heretical. Implying the opposite is HERESY! Your local Commissar will be with you shortly.

iproxtaco wrote:What constitutes Heresy is enforced by The Inquisition and the upper echelons of Imperial Command, thus The Grey Knights are super no-heretical. Implying the opposite is HERESY! Your local Commissar will be with you shortly.

But think about it, if Chaos had some how planted loads of Heretics on loads of worlds, then there would most likely be a desicion to destroy those worlds to try and stop the taint from spreading. Therefore the Grey Knights are being mislead and used in a way for Chaos God's bidding and they may have no clue that they are being used.

iproxtaco wrote:What constitutes Heresy is enforced by The Inquisition and the upper echelons of Imperial Command, thus The Grey Knights are super no-heretical. Implying the opposite is HERESY! Your local Commissar will be with you shortly.

You mentioned those who must not be named!

Arm.chair.general wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:What constitutes Heresy is enforced by The Inquisition and the upper echelons of Imperial Command, thus The Grey Knights are super no-heretical. Implying the opposite is HERESY! Your local Commissar will be with you shortly.

But think about it, if Chaos had some how planted loads of Heretics on loads of worlds, then there would most likely be a desicion to destroy those worlds to try and stop the taint from spreading. Therefore the Grey Knights are being mislead and used in a way for Chaos God's bidding and they may have no clue that they are being used.

Except that Inquisitors investigate cults and planets, not the Grey Knights, and they do so before declaring Exterminatus. Very few declare Exterminatus before studying the situation, and then generally if the situation hits an irreversible point before they arrive.

Exterminatus isn't thrown around willy-nilly like you think. In fact, Chaos already DOES what you're proposing and it tends to get nipped in the bud before becoming a problem.

You really need to read up on this stuff, don't you?