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Kroothawk wrote:Because when a certain kind of 12-year olds start 40k, their first choices are either Chaos Grey Knights, Chaos Sororitas (Slaaanesh ) or Chaos Tau. It makes them feel so naughty. And they always think, they are the first to come up with this idea, and start rolling Greenstuff tentacles.
I call it the Paladrin syndrome (every second 12 year old wants to play an evil paladin in WoW, now they can ... as Death Knights).

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

Using the Grey Knight Codex for a Thousand Sons army is also common but has potential. Also a Nurgle Marines army.

Bleh! Inventing your own stuff, no matter how hammy, will always be superiour to piggy-backing the tired old established GW-fluff, no matter how "grown-up".

It's supposed to be a creative hobby after all.

That is more believable, if they build their own armour and but special evil spirits in it, all the power to ya, and that would look sweet, I just dont like fallen GK, but Dark Mechanicus sounds cool

Kroothawk wrote:

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

I know someone with pink CSMs and they aren't lame at all. The other three i have to agree with as being lame

Arm.chair.general wrote:

Thank you, some people is actually kind of agreeing with my idea. Yeah +1 on

It doesn't preclude it from ever happening

Believing that the Grey knights will never fall to chaos is a serious misinterpritation of the fluff...it's unlikely they would fall to chaos, but still possible.

Couldn't a Grey knight mutate into a spawn? I mean I don't think a spawn is a daemon, it's just a mutation caused by warp energies, unless the Grey Knights are so uber powered that they have some kind of anti-warp shield around with them

The fluff DOES say its possable a GK could fall to chaos, but as it is none have done so yet.


And its a bad idea for you to have the 1st GK fall. only GW has the right to have such a tragedy happen.




we arn't trying to squish your idea(well, some of us are) we are trying to spare you the redicule you would get from having such an army.



as far as spawn go.

Spawnhood is kinda the opposite of becoming a Deamon Prince. its caused by too many Mutations and Gifts too fast. the victim loses their mind and becomes little more then an animal(a horribly mutated one)


in game its possable to cast Gift of Chaos on a GK and turn him into a spawn. in the fluff, not so much. the GK would be practically immune to such a power(and they used to be too. they once could only be effected by psychic opowers that had a given Strength value and did damage)

Yeah, it's for your own good. Nah, do whatever the feth you want, saying people will ridicule you is a gross over-exaggeration. I would say that you would have to do it well. I suggest painting them really rusty, with glowing eyes and spike EVERYWHERE.

we arn't trying to squish your idea(well, some of us are) we are trying to spare you the redicule you would get from having such an army.

Nah that's ok, I guess Grey Knights falling to Chaos wouldn't work, it was quite a dumb idea, although I may do the Dark Mechanicus Army. I could convert the defiler to stand up right, and be like a chaos version of the dreadknight

The second idea is great, animated suits, possessed by Daemons by a mad Mechanicus Priest.

No, this is just a bad idea. I certanly would waste my time on it

Arm.chair.general wrote:I am not really a fanboy as I have concidered doing other armies like orks, or nids, they just don't appeal to me, so I am stuck with my plague marines. I thought I would develop some interesting fluff as the fluff in the chaos book has been completely destroyed. Looking at your post, it looks like you have called my ideas slowed, which I find offensive, when I haven't done jack sh**t to you.

I don't know about slowed, but your idea does fly in the face of every piece of established fluff.

It is also pretty lame. The why has been answered by Kroothawk:

Kroothawk wrote:
Because when a certain kind of 12-year olds start 40k, their first choices are either Chaos Grey Knights, Chaos Sororitas (Slaaanesh ) or Chaos Tau. It makes them feel so naughty. And they always think, they are the first to come up with this idea, and start rolling Greenstuff tentacles.
I call it the Paladrin syndrome (every second 12 year old wants to play an evil paladin in WoW, now they can ... as Death Knights).

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

Of course, Nazi anything is easy to do in 40K, since the Imperium is as fascist as it gets. And the DKoK models make the imagery easy, too. The plague of pink armies is universal in miniature gaming.

One of the recurring themes of 40k is that there is nothing (certainly nothing humanity can devise) that cannot ultimately be corrupted by chaos. The Primarchs are proof of than. You can even debate that the Emperor wasn't so much immune to chaos as he was so powerful that he was bordering on being a (warp) god himself.

The Grey Knights are geared, trained and selected to make corruption as hard as possible, and to an extent that works. But that doesn't make them immune, especially when you add in that while they are much better protected than the rest of humanity (even other marines), they also have much greater exposure.

However fluff wise while I believe the above, I would find it silly if enough were corrupted to form an army. Much better to just use the codex rules but claim they are a chaos force (as others have pointed out, Thousand Sons fits this perfectly)

Edited to add: And this is something I'm planning on as well, mine are going to represent a mercenary organisation operating in the Eye (hiring out to the various chaos factions that are always feuding) formed from disillusioned lords and champions of chaos (basically they've decided to be their own masters and screw serving gods, corpse ones or warp ones). Very much inspired by Ahriman.

Ad Meliora wrote:One of the recurring themes of 40k is that there is nothing (certainly nothing humanity can devise) that cannot ultimately be corrupted by chaos. The Primarchs are proof of than. You can even debate that the Emperor wasn't so much immune to chaos as he was so powerful that he was bordering on being a (warp) god himself.

The Primarchs are proof of that? Heh.
Lion El'Jonson was fully immersed into the wilds of a world fully steeped in the mutating powers of the Ruinous Powers. He didn't succumb to Chaos like his brothers Horus and Lorgar, who were not exposed to it outside of the Scattering, did.

The Grey Knights are geared, trained and selected to make corruption as hard as possible, and to an extent that works. But that doesn't make them immune, especially when you add in that while they are much better protected than the rest of humanity (even other marines), they also have much greater exposure.

They're not "geared and trained to make corruption as hard as possible". They are utterly and completely IMMUNE TO SPIRITUAL CORRUPTION.

Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? You can be completely immune to spiritual corruption but still have your flesh warped by a sorcerer(which is an individual who isn't a "psyker". Psykers draw their powers from the Warp, but they don't draw upon the Blessings of the Dark Gods). Simply being of pure heart won't make you immune to the weapons of the Ruinous Powers.

However, by the same regard with the proper training and techniques you can turn that purity of heart into a weapon to drive right back at those flinging sorcery at you.

You know i sometimes wonder how good a marine would be a Dance Dance Revolution...
Then i wonder if a GK would be better at it than the marine...

Slight correction,

they are Immune as far as we know.




None have ever fallen, but that doesn't mean none ever will.

its Immortality syndrome. you can't prove something is immortal unless you see something exist for eternity. but eternity never has an end point, so you will be watching something for eternity never knowing if this day shall be the last.


to an Ant, Humans would appear immortal as the Ants live only a short time. they couldn't fathom our Lifespan.

Hawk wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

I know someone with pink CSMs and they aren't lame at all. The other three i have to agree with as being lame

You mean the Emperor's Children, who can blow people to pieces with guitar solos at long range? That's completely lame, obviously. Female Marines are basically Sisters of Battle. The Nazi Guard are the Death Corps of Krieg. Not sure about Star wars...

Durza wrote:

Hawk wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

I know someone with pink CSMs and they aren't lame at all. The other three i have to agree with as being lame

You mean the Emperor's Children, who can blow people to pieces with guitar solos at long range? That's completely lame, obviously. Female Marines are basically Sisters of Battle.

Don't let Melissia catch you saying that.

The Nazi Guard are the Death Corps of Krieg.

Completely, utterly, and absolutely incorrect.
The Death Korps of Krieg, while having a German name, are an eclectic mix of French, Belgian, and Austro-Germany forces during the First World War. Any cursory search of WWI forces or books showing uniforms and the like would show you that.

There is, at this moment nothing that is "Nazi Guard". It's a simplification of the fact that more often than not people come on here asking "Is it okay for me to paint my Guard using <Insert German Camo Scheme from WWII Here> or will people think they're Nazis?". The answer is always the same as well
"You're fine as long as you don't put Swastikas, Death's Heads, or the SS insignias on the models". This isn't historical wargaming. You don't need to effectively 'cite your source' for the camo pattern. Use the 40k iconography and your camo scheme, you'll be fine.

Not sure about Star wars...

It's again another reference to a commonly held idea. People commonly ask about doing "Guard like the Rebel Alliance on Hoth" or "Clone Troopers". There's no problem with it, but the idea commonly isn't done well.

Durza wrote:

Hawk wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

I know someone with pink CSMs and they aren't lame at all. The other three i have to agree with as being lame

You mean the Emperor's Children, who can blow people to pieces with guitar solos at long range? That's completely lame, obviously. Female Marines are basically Sisters of Battle. The Nazi Guard are the Death Corps of Krieg. Not sure about Star wars...

Death Korps share no similarities with the Nazis. If anything they are based on WWI trench warfare regiments.
Sisters of Battle are not female marines. They share a weapon and power armour and a transport. The similarities end there.
Ninja'ed...

How insulted are you OP?

Thread seemed resolved. Grey Knights are incorruptible. Says so in their codex. They can have a Chaos equivalent, but they wouldn't be actual Grey Knights.

And the SoBs are as close as a woman can get to being Marines.

Wrong. The similarities end at the use of Power Armour.

i really like death corps of krieg, if they were more readily available than cadians i would definitley use them! darn cadians...

WW2 German Army uniform:




Nazis as seen in popular media:




Death Korps:




They are Nazi enough.

This picture does look fairly similiar, but this is just one color scheme, most color schemes make them stand apart more

The Nazi Guard are the Death Corps of Krieg.

I would say the Space marines are more like nazis

woooaaaaahh, crossin some lines, insultin my chillun', jk, i insult other peoples armies all the time, its basically what i do

Regardless of the corruptibility, I do question the Grey Knights intelligence at times.

GK: We have fought well together guardsman, the enemy is destroyed
IG: Go team Emperor! (Holds fist out for bump)
GK: Yeaaah. About than. You know too much.
IG: eh?
GK: No one must know of us... not even our loyal allies.
IG: What? Dude everyone knows about space marines.
Gk: You misunderstand. No one must know of my chapter.
IG: I don't understand, this doesn't make any sense.
GK: Secrecy is our primary weapon against the filth of the warp.
IG: No dude, I meant that what I know about your chapter could be printed on a matchbox, i.e. you guys are huge, you're armored like freaking tanks and apparently use cannons for guns. Just like every other space marine I've heard about.
GK: Our name itself is a thing of power.
IG: No way dude. The only way I know your name is, one, you paint yourself grey, and two, you bloody well said "Fear not the enemies of man, for the Grey Knights will bring them death" when you turned up.
GK: I am sorry, but for the greater good, that is, for the good of humanity, all knowledge of us must be... removed.
IG: Ok that pause wasn't ominous at all. What do you mean by "remove"?
GK: Mindwipe is one of the tools we employ
IG: You're going to wipe my mind? Isn't that excredible dangerous? And expensive?
Gk: ... yes. That's why we only us it on officers and above. Unfortunately.
IG: You sons of bitches.
Gk: (lifting stormbolter) Again, really sorry
IG: (makes rude gesture and starts shouting): %$" you! Next time paint yourselves blue or something and, oh, maybe say you're not grey knights. You Assha-

BAAAAM!

GK: Nope, doesn't get any easier. (opens can of beer)

Ad Meliora

Nide post

HERESY! I am currently on the phone with your commisar!

Ad Meliora,

This is pure awesome.

it was pretty funny(albiet evil)

iproxtaco wrote:How insulted are you OP?

Not insulted, what makes you say that?