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Agreed - the Dark Eldar are .........different.

but the Chaos Daemons codex does say that there are Cabals that continue the Lord of Pleasure cult........

Chaos still tempts the Eldar and it is likely there are few that continue in depths of desperation, despair, hate or passion that fall to that temptation....

Mr Morden wrote:Chaos still tempts the Eldar and it is likely there are few that continue in depths of desperation, despair, hate or passion that fall to that temptation....

That's what C.S.Goto thought when he wrote one Chaos Eldar novel after the other. GW had to stop him, delete him from the list of BL authors and revise the "everything is canon" policy to a stricter editing, as some things are just too dumb and contradictory to establihed canon.

And it is also remarkable that GW decided to stop any speculation about Arhra being a Chaos Eldar by bringing him back to the Dark Eldar.

Its equally important they confirmed that Chaos worshiping Eldar exisit in the daemons codex as noted previously .

Temptation and damnation is one of the major aspects of 40K and its such a threat to the Ekdar they have built a whole society to minimise the threat - but it remains and it makes sense that some have, are or will fall.

Are Ekdar a new race? Like, Kool Eldar?

iproxtaco wrote:I doubt people will even object to the idea if the models are done well. Maybe if it's just a bunch of Knights with spikes, you would get ridicule, but if it is done well, as in the models are posed, converted and painted well, then people will have a positive reaction to it.

If it was converted well, I'd play against the army, but I would refuse to buy the whole notion of Chaos Grey Knights. I would just make up some fluff for it on the spot that's more ridiculous ("they are all mutant carebear aliens from a mirror galaxy!", or, "my whole army just marched through one of those fantasy forests full of poison mushrooms and they are all tripping balls and your whole crazy army is just a fethed up hallucination") probably irritating my opponent even more than his fluff irritated me.

1hadhq wrote:

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:

...... create our own fluff (within reason) ...................



This outcry against Chaos GK is actually spurring me on to encourage everyone I can, to make their own Chaos GK lol. Me included

Missed your own point?


Its not an outcry to disagree to complete alterations of the background just to be the special snowflake.
..
surely, play B-C-R hammer 40 anything.
At the end of the day, it has only the parts of the models and some rules in common with 40k then.

I'll answer the first part because your second piece of writing makes no sense to me at all.

I wrote 'within reason' with full clarity. The purpose of me writing that was to show that personally I would not completely disregard the established fluff. Rather, work AROUND the current fluff in aplausable manner.

Grey Knights would never turn to Chaos and their armor has so many warding runes and purity seals that any demon taking a grey knight corpse would be more than a little chafed...

has the OP said anything in a while or has he just given up and this is now an all out battle where its NO WAY vs Possible... i wouldnt refuse a game, but id think the whoever i played that used chaos gk is crazy

If the pigdoks can do a Squiggoth brain transplant to justify a looted Trygon, the galaxy is your oyster.


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kronk wrote:Grey Knights would never turn to Chaos and their armor has so many warding runes and purity seals that any demon taking a grey knight corpse would be more than a little chafed...

I don't see any problem here that can't be solved by expending a couple of hundred mortal pawns.

POLL - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/377435.page - Would YOU play against 'Chaos' Grey knights?

I saw this thread and thought no, no, no.

Then I saw your explanation and thought, that's plausible, i'd play against that! You've done well to make some fluff that works for a seemingly impossible, oxymoronic idea! congratulations! I love it!

I never said I wouldn't play against it. The concept just doesn't make sense to me.

To clarify, I have no problem with someone using the GK codex to represent some kind of chaos force, or using GK models (suitably converted) to represent some kind of ornate chaos army - the problem I have is with "GK's who have fallen to chaos".

can we just agree that a fallen grey knight wouldnt happen but its possible to possess a grey knights armour after extensive anti-warding? lol

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:can we just agree that a fallen grey knight wouldnt happen but its possible to possess a grey knights armour after extensive anti-warding? lol

Give the entire process of making GK armour is heavily prayed over, anointed, blessed etc, with blessed and anointed craftsmen/servitors, and materials blessed through their entire production cycle, etc, etc, anti warding would involve completely destroying the armour...

what makes you think that dark mechanicus and chaos psykers cant come up with their own process which involves constantly cursing the armour and breaking the wards through psychic pulses which constantly ebb away at the protection?

I mean...who can actually describe in detail how these armourers/engineers even create things like power armour, weapons and vehicles ect. there is none alive today who would be able to describe the intricacies that would allow the assembly of such gear. even the fiction writers will only give vague descriptions like "the armour is prayed over for a matter of decades....fible bundle muscles...quantum stasis field...". see my point?

so who is to say EXACTLY how these things are built when the technology doesnt even exist today and probably never will.

in a nutshell... there is nothing to say that a grey knights armour could never be used in service of chaos.

Games Workshop says it can't.

Thus--it can't.

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:what makes you think that dark mechanicus and chaos psykers cant come up with their own process which involves constantly cursing the armour and breaking the wards through psychic pulses which constantly ebb away at the protection?

Established fluff?

If you really want to make chaos GK armour, why not have a reverse process, where the armour is created to help daemons inhabit it and survive in "real space" for extended periods of time, rather than keeping the obscession of somehow "corrupting" GK armour to do the exact opposite of what it was designed and built for.

I mean...who can actually describe in detail how these armourers/engineers even create things like power armour, weapons and vehicles ect. there is none alive today who would be able to describe the intricacies that would allow the assembly of such gear. even the fiction writers will only give vague descriptions like "the armour is prayed over for a matter of decades....fible bundle muscles...quantum stasis field...". see my point?

so who is to say EXACTLY how these things are built when the technology doesnt even exist today and probably never will.

Can you describe exactly how a car is built, how it works, how all the robots that build the car are made, how the ore is mined and smelted to form the components, how the oil is found and drilled, how it is processed and turned into fuel, etc, etc?

Can you point to a car and say it is a car? Can you get in said car and either drive it, or have someone drive you?

in a nutshell... there is nothing to say that a grey knights armour could never be used in service of chaos.

Except for established fluff...

I am for the the idea of leaving GK alone, but saying that the dark mechanicus devises their own typer of GK armour that looks the same(differnet color) that would be sweet, wouldnt interfere with GK fluff, but i say NO to anything dealing with turned GK or their dead bodies, would play them but wouldnt like the story, as i voted in your poll

Kanluwen wrote:Games Workshop says it can't.

Thus--it can't.

Gamesworkshop be damned!

Do what you want, its your money and time. Fluff wise imma going to say it would never ever ever happen. But whatever, its your army, balanced rules, just a different wrapping.

dajobe wrote:I am for the the idea of leaving GK alone, but saying that the dark mechanicus devises their own typer of GK armour that looks the same(differnet color) that would be sweet, wouldnt interfere with GK fluff, but i say NO to anything dealing with turned GK or their dead bodies, would play them but wouldnt like the story, as i voted in your poll

Why would Dark Mechanicus stuff look the same as Grey Knight equipment?

The Dark Mechanicus is leaps and bounds ahead of(and behind at the same time) the Adeptus Mechanicus proper. They use materials the Imperium can never comprehend and blend sorcery with science to create atrocities such as Daemonskin("Nemesis" from the Horus Heresy book series. Seriously. Read about it).

Because unless they want to sculpt their entire army out of green stuff(or just put some spikes or chaosy looking things on the models), they are stuck with GK's in different colour scheme

If someone makes a thousand sons inner coven army. (red occult? scarab occult? something like that) And they use the Grey Knights army book to represent all the sorcery terminators, then would their be really that big a difference just slapping on some spikes on the GK models and saying they are chaos but still using the same rules?

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:what makes you think that dark mechanicus and chaos psykers cant come up with their own process which involves constantly cursing the armour and breaking the wards through psychic pulses which constantly ebb away at the protection?

That seems needlessly complicated. At that point, it's just a broken down suit of power armor. Why not turn all their power and energy towards enchanting plain old power armor to be super Chaosy, rather than dicking around trying to undo all that protection?

because some ne-sayers are too good for the rules and like to be different just to make others angry...

Omegus wrote:

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:what makes you think that dark mechanicus and chaos psykers cant come up with their own process which involves constantly cursing the armour and breaking the wards through psychic pulses which constantly ebb away at the protection?

That seems needlessly complicated. At that point, it's just a broken down suit of power armor. Why not turn all their power and energy towards enchanting plain old power armor to be super Chaosy, rather than dicking around trying to undo all that protection?

Because the sight of a single corrupted suit of Grey Knight Tactical Dreadnought Armour will send every loyalist who recognises it for what it is into a deep hopeless despair, make the unsure realise that none can stand before chaos and they may as well throw their cards in with the winning side, and draw infuriated Grey Knights into battles of the Chaos commander's choosing?

tl;dr: trophy value.

the problem with that is that the act of corruption would make the armor unrecognisable.

it wouldn't look anything like a suit of GK armor as you would have to melt the whole thing down to get the wards out. at which point its not longer a suit of GK armor.

Counts as sorcerous chaos army? sure.

Fallen GK army? no.

Taking out wards from armor to then reuse armor? Why not just use a captured suit of regular terminator armor...
The armor probably won't retain its anti-psyker awesomeness without its psychically attuned inhabitant.

This is just silly.

NOT TO MENTION HERESY!

I'd play against them no problem. Grey Knights are far from incorruptible. The new fluff has made that very very clear. between wholesale slaughter of innocent witnesses to the murder and blood rituals of allied sisters, and the casual use of daemon weapons thinking "they" know better, the grey knights are clearly on thier way to a fall to chaos. The extreme hubris required to consider yourself incorruptible is one of many weaknesses that lead the original legions to thier fall.

no, GK armor is intrinsically anti-chaos.