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No, the RULES are guidelines.

The fluff isn't.

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:

...... create our own fluff (within reason) ...................



This outcry against Chaos GK is actually spurring me on to encourage everyone I can, to make their own Chaos GK lol. Me included

Missed your own point?


Its not an outcry to disagree to complete alterations of the background just to be the special snowflake.
..
surely, play B-C-R hammer 40 anything.
At the end of the day, it has only the parts of the models and some rules in common with 40k then.

Arm.chair.general wrote:Hi there, I was thinking about buying Grey Knights, but I wanted to fit them into a chaos theme. I was thinking that they could be Grey Knights that have fallen in battle on countless daemon worlds, as they struggle to keep the chaos at bay, and are re-animated by some crazy apocathery by entombing a daemon in their armour. The daemon uses the corpse in the armour, almost like a host body. The daemon feeds off the corpses flesh and soul, giving it energy to walk round in this massive hulking suit of ancient sacred battle plate. What do you think? Is the explanation good enough to explain Chaos Grey Knights?

I'd say ignore the fluff nazi's and do whatever you want with your models, hmm, if done well I think you could have a very cool looking army

It is one thing to do whatever you want with your miniatures.
It is another thing to find people willing to play against such an army. There are people who like the 40k fluff, they might not play if you hit the fluff directly in the face just to feel naughty.

I was unaware their is a rule that states "play it my way or the highway" which is essentially what you are suggesting, I actually don't think I have seen someone refused a game because of how he converted his army.

however, you need your opponents consent to play.

He can refuse for whatever reason he deems fit and you can do nothing about it.




Now, most of the time there arn't very good reasons for doing such a move, but for many people the violation of fluff in such an awful way would be quite enough reason.


Some people care about the established fluff and only want to play within it. Now this still gives an incredible amount of creative freedom with your army. however, Chaos GKs is most definitly outside even the most lax fluff outline.


I certaintly wouldn't refuse to play you, but I wouldn't like your army. If it was well painted I could ignore it, but I certaintly would never approve and would quitely enjoy pummeling you with real GKs.

itsonlyme wrote:I was unaware their is a rule that states "play it my way or the highway" which is essentially what you are suggesting, I actually don't think I have seen someone refused a game because of how he converted his army.

Did they convert their army in such a way that it broke the established fluff of the race he was playing?

Not that it's what would happen if the guy went with the idea he thought up. Basically, since about half-way down the first page, it's evolved from a slight manipulation to create an original concept to "Chaos Grey Knights?! How dare you do that to the fluff we profess to hate!!". This thread is prone to an odd amount of rage and over-exaggeration, like saying it's "Fluff breaking" which is wrong, to "No one will play with you", which I would be surprised to hear actually happening.

What's wrong with him doing something different? Does absolutely everyone have to do the same thing? I hope not, it would be a very boring game if even a small fraction of people were like the Fluff Nazis on this thread.

itsonlyme wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:Hi there, I was thinking about buying Grey Knights, but I wanted to fit them into a chaos theme. I was thinking that they could be Grey Knights that have fallen in battle on countless daemon worlds, as they struggle to keep the chaos at bay, and are re-animated by some crazy apocathery by entombing a daemon in their armour. The daemon uses the corpse in the armour, almost like a host body. The daemon feeds off the corpses flesh and soul, giving it energy to walk round in this massive hulking suit of ancient sacred battle plate. What do you think? Is the explanation good enough to explain Chaos Grey Knights?

I'd say ignore the fluff nazi's and do whatever you want with your models, hmm, if done well I think you could have a very cool looking army

And i'd say it's a bit weird to do that after you have come onto a forum asking specifically about the viability of your idea in the established background... that said people are weird as a rule so go figure.

very few people will refuse to play you, but many will absolutly hate your army and the idea behind it.


40k is a very social game, don't purposfully and knowingly alienate yourself with something you knwo is going to get loads of hate. and not the joking ultrasmurf hate either, but an actual hatered of the fluff because its horrible.

I doubt people will even object to the idea if the models are done well. Maybe if it's just a bunch of Knights with spikes, you would get ridicule, but if it is done well, as in the models are posed, converted and painted well, then people will have a positive reaction to it.

Grey Templar wrote:however, you need your opponents consent to play.

He can refuse for whatever reason he deems fit and you can do nothing about it.




Now, most of the time there arn't very good reasons for doing such a move, but for many people the violation of fluff in such an awful way would be quite enough reason.

Well certainly you have the right to play whoever you want, thing with all the fluff heads is that GW ignores it as they see fit (read the GK codex ), its a game at the end of it and I regard this in the same boat as "you painted you marines the wrong color so I won't play you!" I think my view on fluff changed a whole lot after reading the DoC book army book

coolyo294 wrote:Did they convert their army in such a way that it broke the established fluff of the race he was playing?

Can't remember and don't care I have heard of a guy being banned from GW for painting his night goblins as smurf's, I have seen some really cool count as concepts on this and other forums which all fairness would be ignoring the fluff of the codex in question, on the GW site some guy had a khorne space wolf army while using the space wolf codex, clearly exactly the same thing, would I say tell him to take a hike? no, its petty and childish, besides the army looked pretty damn cool! would you refuse to play someone who used a guard army as a star wars army? GW add in new silly races all the time which go against establish fluff (hi tau you dirty Anime ripp off), people seem fine with that. Why can't a player do the exactly same thing? No reason other than some silly idea that GW is the only one that can create the narrative for your games, before you know it people will be refusing to play against standard captains who players have named and written fluff before because it isn't GW approved!

LOOK if you want to play them as chaos, That is perfectly fine.

However, making up a fluff for your army is not possiable.

You can say, I like the look of it and no one will complain but if you do make up fluff for it then it will not work.

Making up background for an army is perfectly fine, it's only when this massively contradicts established canon that it doesn't. In this case, it's perfectly workable if thought out well and handled tenderly.

Sounds like a really cool idea and it will also be very good to see on the board, nobody will think of a warband of chaos grey knights, however there is on problem which codex will you use chaos or grey knights. Ignore what other people think like the comments above me, do what you want to do its your army, nobody else's, why should you be ridiculed from a perfectly good idea.

SSsilverskullSS wrote: nobody will think of a warband of chaos grey knights

Just like nobody will think to make their marines the 2nd Legion.

iproxtaco wrote:Making up background for an army is perfectly fine, it's only when this massively contradicts established canon that it doesn't. In this case, it's perfectly workable if thought out well and handled tenderly.

Actually i used to think this...
Tehn i came to this conclusion.
If you are gonna ask us about your fluff ideas it obviously matters to you what we think and therefore you want it to fit with established fluff. Otherwise there wasn't much point posting and asking us in the first place...

Platuan4th wrote:

SSsilverskullSS wrote: nobody will think of a warband of chaos grey knights

Just like nobody will think to make their marines the 2nd Legion.

Well I don't know about you but I haven't seen an army of chaos grey knights on the board

SSsilverskullSS wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

SSsilverskullSS wrote: nobody will think of a warband of chaos grey knights

Just like nobody will think to make their marines the 2nd Legion.

Well I don't know about you but I haven't seen an army of chaos grey knights on the board

I can't count the number of time i have seen someone use "Grey Knight but Chaos" as an army background...
The Lost Legions have a similar reputation...
Models are a different story however... i wouldn't mind seeing some Chaotic GK models especially if it was using the DM theme... that would be badass...

purplefood wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Making up background for an army is perfectly fine, it's only when this massively contradicts established canon that it doesn't. In this case, it's perfectly workable if thought out well and handled tenderly.

Actually i used to think this...
Tehn i came to this conclusion.
If you are gonna ask us about your fluff ideas it obviously matters to you what we think and therefore you want it to fit with established fluff. Otherwise there wasn't much point posting and asking us in the first place...

Yes of course, I agree, but what they guy actually said was mis-interpreted, not even read, or over-exaggerated, which resulted in a massively undue reaction from the Fluff Nazis.

Arm.chair.general wrote:Hi there, I was thinking about buying Grey Knights, but I wanted to fit them into a chaos theme. I was thinking that they could be Grey Knights that have fallen in battle on countless daemon worlds, as they struggle to keep the chaos at bay, and are re-animated by some crazy apocathery by entombing a daemon in their armour. The daemon uses the corpse in the armour, almost like a host body. The daemon feeds off the corpses flesh and soul, giving it energy to walk round in this massive hulking suit of ancient sacred battle plate. What do you think? Is the explanation good enough to explain Chaos Grey Knights?

This can't exactly be "misinterpreted" or "misread".

It's Chaos Grey Knights. There's no wiggle room for that to exist in 40k. It's one of the currently "immutable laws of 40k".

I'm not just talking about the original post. It evolved into something slightly different, and plausible.

iproxtaco wrote:

purplefood wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Making up background for an army is perfectly fine, it's only when this massively contradicts established canon that it doesn't. In this case, it's perfectly workable if thought out well and handled tenderly.

Actually i used to think this...
Tehn i came to this conclusion.
If you are gonna ask us about your fluff ideas it obviously matters to you what we think and therefore you want it to fit with established fluff. Otherwise there wasn't much point posting and asking us in the first place...

Yes of course, I agree, but what they guy actually said was mis-interpreted, not even read, or over-exaggerated, which resulted in a massively undue reaction from the Fluff Nazis.

I agreed with the alternative...
The Dark Mechanicus was a good idea...
Left alone Chaos could eventually break the wards and the mechanicus could use the suits as daemonhosts...
The Thousand Sons idea was a good one as well.

iproxtaco wrote:I'm not just talking about the original post. It evolved into something slightly different, and plausible.

No, it evolved into things("Dark Mechanicus!" and "Alpha Legion" are just as implausible and ridiculous) that prove just how untenable the central theme of the idea is.

It's like Chaos Eldar or Chaos Tyranids.

It just doesn't doable without coming across as childish and amateur.

Then let him come across as childish and amateur, it certainly wouldn't bother me, especially if I could see that the idea is feasible.

as others have said - your figures - do what you want with them, but soem may think its strange - still as you asked you must already have doubts?

I liked the Thousand Sons idea

I'd happly play you wilth any of my armies......

@ Kanuluwen - arn't both Chaos Eldar and Chaos Eldar "canon"? or do you mean its just not normally done well?

Mr Morden wrote:
@ Kanuluwen - arn't both Chaos Eldar and Chaos Eldar "canon"?

Other than Arha(which is debatable now) what Chaos Eldar is "canon"?

Well I still have the White Dwarfs with the converted models in

p7 Chaos Demons Codex:

Most of the survivors have become enemies of the Dark Prince and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perverseley following the way of excess.

Didn't they see some in the First Heretic novel as well?

They're called the Dark Eldar.

coolyo294 wrote:They're called the Dark Eldar.

Dark Eldar are NOT Chaos Eldar.

Try READING about them sometime.