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Huge fan of this.

Build it. Convert it beautifully. Play them as Grey Knights. Play well and succeed so all must see it.

This is -your- game. If you can dream it, by all means, do it.

Is it fluffy? Is it cannon? No.

Do you have to care? No.

If you build it, they will flame.... and it will be amazing.

You shuck out hundreds of dollars for your plastic space soliders... By all means.. Paint, build and convert them how you please, and write all the crazy little sideline storyboard you like.

Don't let anyone discourage you.

My pink horror's /w Bolt of Tzeench are all Chaos Renegade Psyker forgeworld models. I have a few mutated Khorne Berserkers in my Bloodletter squad. One of my Bloodcrushers is a Chaos Terminator Lord on a Juggernaught.

"But they're mortals.. they can't be in a Daemon Army" they say

"They're possessed cultists that brought about this Daemonic Invasion." I reply

"How did a few cultists summon Fateweaver" they complain

"Carefully." I reply.

It's your game. Do with it what you will.

i think he is saying it because some people(myself included) have been a little vocal about the topic and it has been getting off topic lately, i dunno, cant speak for him though

Cottonjaw wrote:Huge fan of this.
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But if you're going to COMPLETELY disregard the setting and fluff, why even play 40k to begin with? I still don't like the OPs idea, for most the reasons Kroothawk cited. There's many valid ways you could pull off a counts-as GK army, but "Chaos Grey Knights" is about as clever as "Chaos Tau" or "Chaos Eldar". Which is to say it's really not. Bizarro-versions of things are a pretty overused and tired trope.

Consider almost any exposition driven video game, fan fiction, and a very large amount of comic books/tv shows/movies. It's like making the character that's from a people who are inherently evil and bad and though there's nothing about this character that would have made him different from the others, he's still different for the sake of it, and now he runs around doing 'good' things to try to show how much his race of insufferable terrible things aren't ALL bad, and that stereotypes can totally be busted if we just be super super rad.

Yes, I was referring to Drizzt.

What about IMPERIAL DEMONS! I could say that the demons got sick of Chaos Gods and now fight for JUSTICE!


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DAEMONS, sorry

dajobe wrote:What about IMPERIAL DEMONS! I could say that the demons got sick of Chaos Gods and now fight for JUSTICE!


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DAEMONS, sorry

Definatley not sarcasm there!

daedalus wrote:"Chaos Tau"

Probably could happen. They've never been said to be incorruptible in the same way Grey Knights have.

"Chaos Eldar".

Chaos Eldar exist (I think). They're exceedingly rare, but they do exist, and I think it's said that they're often among the most powerful champions of the Dark Gods.

If they're done well and make sense, it's all good. Drizzt does annoy me though. In fact, wasn't to keen on the other heroes in that series either.


Personally, I say go for the Dark Mechanicus style idea. That could work. Not to mention that theoretically there's nothing to stop the Dark Mechanicum from developing AI now that they've split off from the Adeptus Mechanicus.

lol, but you could paint bloodlettes gold and give them angel wings!

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

daedalus wrote:"Chaos Tau"

Probably could happen. They've never been said to be incorruptible in the same way Grey Knights have.

"Chaos Eldar".

Chaos Eldar exist (I think). They're exceedingly rare, but they do exist, and I think it's said that they're often among the most powerful champions of the Dark Gods.

If they're done well and make sense, it's all good. Drizzt does annoy me though. In fact, wasn't to keen on the other heroes in that series either.


Personally, I say go for the Dark Mechanicus style idea. That could work. Not to mention that theoretically there's nothing to stop the Dark Mechanicum from developing AI now that they've split off from the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Tau could indeed fall to Chaos. Its one of the Theories around Farsight's rebellion.


for Chaos Eldar, there are the Dark Eldar.

there is a Archon who is suspected of consorting with one of the other 3 Chaos Gods for protection from Slannesh. I belive the god is Tzeench.

dajobe wrote:What about IMPERIAL DEMONS! I could say that the demons got sick of Chaos Gods and now fight for JUSTICE!


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DAEMONS, sorry

I like this idea. I kind of want to make an Imperial Guard army out of nothing but daemonettes.


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Slanesh wants to love the Spesh Emporer TOO!

daedalus wrote:

Cottonjaw wrote:Huge fan of this.
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But if you're going to COMPLETELY disregard the setting and fluff, why even play 40k to begin with?

Who's up for converting a loyalist Chaos Daemons army? A Bloodthirster gets fed up with Khorne taking all the skulls, so he signs up with the Imperium.

As for the GK/IG dialogue on the previous page, it was funny but missed the point. The IG wouldn't be killed because he saw the Grey Knights, but rather because he saw what the Grey Knights were fighting.

I shall model a Nurgle Daemon with a comissar hat!

Arm.chair.general wrote:I shall model a Nurgle Daemon with a comissar hat!

I would love to see that

dajobe wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:I shall model a Nurgle Daemon with a comissar hat!

I would love to see that

I can just see it, "Charge or I'll give you AIDS!"

It really dosen't seem that bad. I don't actually buy the idea that the GK are un-corruptible, but you idea dosen't even need them to fall to chaos. Just that they be dead. They are not immune to bullets, so it's very possible that a GK could land on a planet and just be completely slaughtered. The planet could even get pulled into the warp mid battle.

As a kitty (Meow ) corner idea to this. maybe eldar/dark eldar could do the same thing. Take a dead GK stuff him full of wrathbone and then stick a sole stone in his eye.

But the Draigo would show up and round-house kick everything to death.

nomotog wrote:It really dosen't seem that bad. I don't actually buy the idea that the GK are un-corruptible, but you idea dosen't even need them to fall to chaos. Just that they be dead. They are not immune to bullets, so it's very possible that a GK could land on a planet and just be completely slaughtered. The planet could even get pulled into the warp mid battle.

As a kitty (Meow ) corner idea to this. maybe eldar/dark eldar could do the same thing. Take a dead GK stuff him full of wrathbone and then stick a sole stone in his eye.

and as was said before, a GKs body and armor are purpose built to resist deamons.



it would be like sticking you in a room full of Nerve Gas and expecting you to play chess.


Posessing a body is tough enough for a deamon to do already. no one in their right mind would give them a body and armor whos very presense causes them to lose their grip on reality.

If it was ever attempted the Deamon would likely immediatly lose its grip on reality and slip back into the warp.

Grey Templar wrote:

nomotog wrote:It really dosen't seem that bad. I don't actually buy the idea that the GK are un-corruptible, but you idea dosen't even need them to fall to chaos. Just that they be dead. They are not immune to bullets, so it's very possible that a GK could land on a planet and just be completely slaughtered. The planet could even get pulled into the warp mid battle.

As a kitty (Meow ) corner idea to this. maybe eldar/dark eldar could do the same thing. Take a dead GK stuff him full of wrathbone and then stick a sole stone in his eye.

and as was said before, a GKs body and armor are purpose built to resist deamons.



it would be like sticking you in a room full of Nerve Gas and expecting you to play chess.


Posessing a body is tough enough for a deamon to do already. no one in their right mind would give them a body and armor whos very presense causes them to lose their grip on reality.

If it was ever attempted the Deamon would likely immediatly lose its grip on reality and slip back into the warp.

You don't need to be so spacey. () I did read that the armor is restraint to demons. I don't know if you example is right. Nerve gas would kill me. GK armor alone can't kill demons, or they wouldn't bother bringing swords. I also figured that armor I not very well maintained after death, so it would lose it's effectiveness over time.

Really though. I don't want to speculate any more on this topic. I still don't know a lot about the IoM.

it isn't how the armor is maintained.


it has sigels and wards etched into it that cause Deamons to lose the ability to maintain their hold on reality. this causes their very bodies to become weakened.

a Deamon in a host has a very tenous grip on it. if its hold is shaken it can be dislodged quite easily.


the GKs themselves also have Hexagrammic wards placed under their skin. even after death these wards still remain. this would further destabilize the deamon's grip.


while it might be possable for the deamon to posess the body initially, within minutes or even seconds it would lose its grip and the posession would cease.

Grey Templar wrote:it isn't how the armor is maintained.


it has sigels and wards etched into it that cause Deamons to lose the ability to maintain their hold on reality. this causes their very bodies to become weakened.

a Deamon in a host has a very tenous grip on it. if its hold is shaken it can be dislodged quite easily.


the GKs themselves also have Hexagrammic wards placed under their skin. even after death these wards still remain. this would further destabilize the deamon's grip.


while it might be possable for the deamon to posess the body initially, within minutes or even seconds it would lose its grip and the posession would cease.

In Hammer of Daemons you see two GK captured, have some sort of seal placed on them as to not allow them to use those wards and their psyker abilities, and you even see one be possessed by a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch for quite a while but he does eventually throw it out of his head.

That possession part never happened, but it's nice you're using your imagination.

yeah, the Deamon wasn't inside him for very long.

and those were psychic dampeners that interfer with the Gks ability to use his power. they would work on any psyker, not just a GK. and they only slowed the GKs ability to combat the Deamon, it can't combat the purity of his soul.

Omegus wrote:That possession part never happened, but it's nice you're using your imagination.

I'm pretty sure it had some sort of control on him for a while, and I remember other fellow prisoners told him he hadn't been himself for a while and he had no memory of what had gone on in reality since his meeting with the Tzeentch daemon prince. Then again, I was in the hospital when I read it and my memory could be gak due to meds.

Aren't GK's armors ordained with holy artifacts that hurt Daemons? And also don't Grey Knights bring their dead with them to be buried in Terra,under the Emperor's Throne?

Arm.chair.general wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:
How is it a lame theme?

It contradicts GW Canon that has been in place for more than 3 editions of 40k. It's like trying to make Sanguinius reappear 10k years after he was killed by Horus, you just don't do it.

Arm.chair.general wrote:
Besides I find the 40k Fluff lame (Apart from the Horus Heresy series) as the fluff is unbalanced and is all about the Space marines being the super duper uber race, so I thought I would try doing some cool chaos fluff.

There's plenty of fluff illustrating just how stupid the Astartes can be from time to time and there's more than one story of Chapters that have died to a man in combat. Changing the cornerstone of the Grey Knight's fluff just so Chaos can have some "cool fluff" screams of Chaos fanboyism the same way that Calgar face-punching an Avatar to death screams of Ultramarine fanboyism. In the end, it doesn't end up cool, it ends up silly at best, pants-on-head slowed at worst.

I am not really a fanboy as I have concidered doing other armies like orks, or nids, they just don't appeal to me, so I am stuck with my plague marines. I thought I would develop some interesting fluff as the fluff in the chaos book has been completely destroyed. Looking at your post, it looks like you have called my ideas slowed, which I find offensive, when I haven't done jack sh**t to you.

Look again. I said it COULD end up looking incredibly slowed, not that it by default would. You also seem to have missed my point about it being neither interesting nor cool to completely ignore another army's fluff to boost your own. Chill down, read my post again.

Fluff wise it is wrong on so many levels but if you just want a different colour scheme sure go ahead and do it.

But just call them GKs with a hint of colour LOL


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Omegus wrote:That possession part never happened, but it's nice you're using your imagination.

I'm pretty sure it had some sort of control on him for a while, and I remember other fellow prisoners told him he hadn't been himself for a while and he had no memory of what had gone on in reality since his meeting with the Tzeentch daemon prince. Then again, I was in the hospital when I read it and my memory could be gak due to meds.

Or it was Tzeentch playing with your head LOL

Vires` wrote:Aren't GK's armors ordained with holy artifacts that hurt Daemons? And also don't Grey Knights bring their dead with them to be buried in Terra,under the Emperor's Throne?

According the 3E fluff they did indeed have various extras such as additional purity seals and implants to help ward off the taint. You are partly right about the retrieval of bodies too. However, they are not taken to Terra but to their Crypts on Titan. It is the wish of all knights to end their service their and lengths are gone to to retrieve them, much as any other chapter would for do to reacquire armour or geneseed.

This is also helpful for the already mentioned ideal of keeping their chapter a secret. While it is likely various parts will be left behind, I would imagine the chapter goes to great lengths to ensure that they can not be identified afterwards.

Avatar 720 wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

Because Grey Knights are sacred both in life and death. Like how a Space Marine chapter will retrieve as many geneseeds as possible from their fallen comrades, the Grey Knights will never leave the body of a fallen brother behind unless it's truly irretrievable, which would likely put it beyond reasonable possession by anything too.

The runes on their armour would likely give their bodies some form of protection against daemonic energies too.

But what if there was no one to retrieve them, what if the entire squad or army was killed, they could get to the armor that way. I'm sure that a good enough sorcerer could break seals.

DrChaos wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Just do it, it's your army and nobody has any right to dictate how you handle their fluff, consistent or not.

This is my thought on most things however if you have come asking us about the... legitimacy of this in current 40k fluff then i would have to disagree with your ideas since i can't really see how they would fit. The Thousand Sons counts as is a good idea though... the Dark Mechanicus could easily have made several elaborate suits of armour for the Thousand Sons to possess in return for their assistance demonically possessing a few choice vehicles...

Well think about it, the Dark Mechanicus and Sorcerers can trap Daemons in the Defilers and tanks, so why couldn't they do the same to Grey Knight casualties?

Because Grey Knights are sacred both in life and death. Like how a Space Marine chapter will retrieve as many geneseeds as possible from their fallen comrades, the Grey Knights will never leave the body of a fallen brother behind unless it's truly irretrievable, which would likely put it beyond reasonable possession by anything too.

The runes on their armour would likely give their bodies some form of protection against daemonic energies too.

But what if there was no one to retrieve them, what if the entire squad or army was killed, they could get to the armor that way. I'm sure that a good enough sorcerer could break seals.

I said that earlier, with enough time and power they probably could break the seals.
Though considering the GK have to be transported to an area using a strike cruiser and then considering the fact that if the Brotherhood is overrun and killed the situation is pretty damn bad i wouldn't say it's unlikely they would just deicde to exact an exterminatus on the planet.

Possesing the bodies of GK is possible. It's very unlikely but it could happen.

4M2A wrote:Possesing the bodies of GK is possible. It's very unlikely but it could happen.

A Chaos Grey Knight is possible like winning the jackpot.
A Chaos Grey Knight army is possible like winning the jackpot 50 times in a row.