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Just call them Thousands Sons or Word Bearers.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:What constitutes Heresy is enforced by The Inquisition and the upper echelons of Imperial Command, thus The Grey Knights are super no-heretical. Implying the opposite is HERESY! Your local Commissar will be with you shortly.

You mentioned those who must not be named!

"No, sir, I swear, I didn't, I don't even know who these people who must not be named are!"
"Are you implying that I am wron-
"No sir, of course not sir"
" Did you just interrupt me, maggot?"
"Eh.......no?"
"Wrong!" Bolter shot fires.

Arm.chair.general wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:What constitutes Heresy is enforced by The Inquisition and the upper echelons of Imperial Command, thus The Grey Knights are super no-heretical. Implying the opposite is HERESY! Your local Commissar will be with you shortly.

But think about it, if Chaos had some how planted loads of Heretics on loads of worlds, then there would most likely be a desicion to destroy those worlds to try and stop the taint from spreading. Therefore the Grey Knights are being mislead and used in a way for Chaos God's bidding and they may have no clue that they are being used.

You arn't giving the Inquisition nearly enough credit.


they aren't stupid and will recognise patterns. if the Gods are trying to make the GKs give an offering to them in a sneaky way they will see whats happening and move to stop it.

Do it. Then take it to gamesday and play Matt Ward.

Grey Knights+Chaos=impossible, thats like trying to give smallpox to someone who is immune, wearing a bio hazard suit, inside of a sterile environment bubble, that is being constantly guarded by virus killing flame throwers

1.) It's a lame theme, as lame as playing a Death Knight in WoW named Dark Avenger of Death.
2.) First thing every 40k player learns about Grey Knights: "No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos". So every 40k gamer seeing your army will go WTF first. Decide if you like this reaction every single game with a new opponent.
3.) There is only one desperate chance to pull this off: Buy enough Sororitas models and decorate every single base with hacked remains of them and smear lots of blood on the Grey Knight armour. Mat Ward haters will love you.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) It's a lame theme, as lame as playing a Death Knight in WoW named Dark Avenger of Death.
2.) First thing every 40k player learns about Grey Knights: "No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos". So every 40k gamer seeing your army will go WTF first. Decide if you like this reaction every single game with a new opponent.
3.) There is only one desperate chance to pull this off: Buy enough Sororitas models and decorate every single base with hacked remains of them and smear lots of blood on the Grey Knight armour. Mat Ward haters will love you.

That is a genius idea...

#3 is pretty genius....

As far as "infecting" worlds with hosts of cultists and heretics to cause the Inquisition to declare the planet Traitoris Excommunicatus and arrange for its extermination?


Eh... one, Chaos Gods don't create heretics or cultists, it requires a human being to make the choice to serve Chaos, or to, at the very least, make use of Chaos Artifacts that turn them to the service of the Ruinous Powers.

Two, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus deal, specifically, with this sort of threat (especially the latter Ordo). Got a cult in the Hive? Ordo Hereticus investigates, finds the principal players, their base of operations, and then moves in for the kill with Stormtroopers, Arbites, PDF, IG, maybe also Space Marines or whatever other forces are available to be called upon. They then track down anyone who ever had any contact with the cult and, generally, execute them. Now, the guy who refilled the Coke machine once a week at the Cult Hall will probably be tested and, if found to be free of corruption, *might* be let go to go on with his life... but this depends on the individual Inquisitor.

Three, the Arbites, PDF and IG are also equipped to deal with minor heretical incidents. Caught spray-painting the runes of Chaos on the hab-wall? Executed. Gathering with other cultists in the hive-sinks or the lonely marshes of some Imperial world? Executed. Trying to turn your fellow soldiers over to the service of the Dark Gods? Executed.

For a planet to be declared "Exterminatus", it has to be beyond saving, beyond the point where a billion Imperial Guardsmen cannot hope to recapture the planet from the forces of the Arch-Enemy, where even the direct involvement of the Space Marines cannot save the world. It is in these cases that Exterminatus is used, to deny the value of the planet to the Enemy, not preserve it for the Imperium.

I think we should just declare that Titan has fallen to chaos and Grey Knights are all evil now, that way, this can be feasible. All in agreement, good

Kroothawk wrote:1.) It's a lame theme, as lame as playing a Death Knight in WoW named Dark Avenger of Death.
2.) First thing every 40k player learns about Grey Knights: "No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos". So every 40k gamer seeing your army will go WTF first. Decide if you like this reaction every single game with a new opponent.
3.) There is only one desperate chance to pull this off: Buy enough Sororitas models and decorate every single base with hacked remains of them and smear lots of blood on the Grey Knight armour. Mat Ward haters will love you.

How is it a lame theme? I am not a Matt Ward hater, I just thought that it would be cool to use some alternative codexes for Chaos as I always lose using my Chaos 'dex. I also thought that it would be cool if even the Imperium's super duper uber marines (Grey Knights) would fall to chaos, and would spark some fear in opponents. Besides I find the 40k Fluff lame (Apart from the Horus Heresy series) as the fluff is unbalanced and is all about the Space marines being the super duper uber race, so I thought I would try doing some cool chaos fluff.

There is no need to get all up in arms about it, it was only a thought geez!


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dajobe wrote:I think we should just declare that Titan has fallen to chaos and Grey Knights are all evil now, that way, this can be feasible. All in agreement, good

This sounds like sarcasm to me!

it was, i apologize, i can get a little more ebrasive on these forums than i mean to

dajobe, that's alright

Arm.chair.general wrote:
How is it a lame theme?

It contradicts GW Canon that has been in place for more than 3 editions of 40k. It's like trying to make Sanguinius reappear 10k years after he was killed by Horus, you just don't do it.

Arm.chair.general wrote:
Besides I find the 40k Fluff lame (Apart from the Horus Heresy series) as the fluff is unbalanced and is all about the Space marines being the super duper uber race, so I thought I would try doing some cool chaos fluff.

There's plenty of fluff illustrating just how stupid the Astartes can be from time to time and there's more than one story of Chapters that have died to a man in combat. Changing the cornerstone of the Grey Knight's fluff just so Chaos can have some "cool fluff" screams of Chaos fanboyism the same way that Calgar face-punching an Avatar to death screams of Ultramarine fanboyism. In the end, it doesn't end up cool, it ends up silly at best, pants-on-head slowed at worst.

Somewhere, right now, Matt (two t's for terrible) Ward could be reading this thread, and a little light bulb above his head goes "ding!", before he begins to scribble notes for his long-dreaded publication, Codex: Chaos Grey Knights ¬¬

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:
How is it a lame theme?

It contradicts GW Canon that has been in place for more than 3 editions of 40k. It's like trying to make Sanguinius reappear 10k years after he was killed by Horus, you just don't do it.

Arm.chair.general wrote:
Besides I find the 40k Fluff lame (Apart from the Horus Heresy series) as the fluff is unbalanced and is all about the Space marines being the super duper uber race, so I thought I would try doing some cool chaos fluff.

There's plenty of fluff illustrating just how stupid the Astartes can be from time to time and there's more than one story of Chapters that have died to a man in combat. Changing the cornerstone of the Grey Knight's fluff just so Chaos can have some "cool fluff" screams of Chaos fanboyism the same way that Calgar face-punching an Avatar to death screams of Ultramarine fanboyism. In the end, it doesn't end up cool, it ends up silly at best, pants-on-head slowed at worst.

I am not really a fanboy as I have concidered doing other armies like orks, or nids, they just don't appeal to me, so I am stuck with my plague marines. I thought I would develop some interesting fluff as the fluff in the chaos book has been completely destroyed. Looking at your post, it looks like you have called my ideas slowed, which I find offensive, when I haven't done jack sh**t to you.

Arm.chair.general wrote:How is it a lame theme?

Because when a certain kind of 12-year olds start 40k, their first choices are either Chaos Grey Knights, Chaos Sororitas (Slaaanesh ) or Chaos Tau. It makes them feel so naughty. And they always think, they are the first to come up with this idea, and start rolling Greenstuff tentacles.
I call it the Paladrin syndrome (every second 12 year old wants to play an evil paladin in WoW, now they can ... as Death Knights).

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

Using the Grey Knight Codex for a Thousand Sons army is also common but has potential. Also a Nurgle Marines army.

Its ok to have Counts As Gks CSMs, but having fallen GKs(or specifically Posessed dead bodies and Suits of armor that have basically been infused with anti-deamon thingies to the point of the very presense causing deamons to become weakened) is crossing the line.


2 basic rules of semi-serious 40k playing.

1: No femarines

2: No Chaos Gks

Valkyrie wrote:Somewhere, right now, Matt (two t's for terrible) Ward could be reading this thread, and a little light bulb above his head goes "ding!", before he begins to scribble notes for his long-dreaded publication, Codex: Chaos Grey Knights ¬¬

Codex: Black Knights.


Altogether now "It's only a flesh wound!".

snake wrote:Grey knights are anathema to daemons. The armor has wards, etc., wrought into it. I do not think a daemon would want to wear armor that repelled it with latent psychic energy.

Not voluntarily, no. Force a daemon in there, though... and he's likely to be pretty annoyed.


I like the resurrected armour idea. If people have too many issues with it, you can always point out that just because it looks like Grey Knight armour, doesn't necessarily mean it actually is... (apply appropriate winks and nudges).

And, for what it's worth, the fact that the fluff says that no Grey Knight has ever turned means only that, so far as anyone knows, no Grey Knight has ever turned. It doesn't preclude it from ever happening. And if you treat all Imperial fluff as containing a certain amount of pre-Imperial propaganda (which is generally how it's written, with the general theme being that the subject of the codex you are currently reading is the most awesome thing eva!!!11!) then it also doesn't mean that it's never happened... just that if it has, nobody knows about it and/or nobody has talked about it.


The fluff is nothing more than a canvas. Do with it what you will. Frankly, I would be far more interested in playing against an army like this, which at least has the bonus of being something a little different, than yet another 'Missing Legion' army...

I like this idea, i think the fluff can be twisted to a point.
And as for modelling, no one will mind in casual games, i mean I once played a guy with skyboard riding scouts... for counts as scout bikers, also played necrons with the necron lord on a horse.... counts as Destroyer lord that was hilarious.

Not voluntarily, no. Force a daemon in there, though... and he's likely to be pretty annoyed.

This is how i see it working

He/she/it tricks them into a material body so they can escape the warp, but leaves out the fact that they'll be trapped in a body that will constantly burn them. I say go for it!

I mean in a world where marines can punch out an avatar, i think Chaos Grey Knights is beleivable

Thank you, some people is actually kind of agreeing with my idea. Yeah +1 on

It doesn't preclude it from ever happening

Believing that the Grey knights will never fall to chaos is a serious misinterpritation of the fluff...it's unlikely they would fall to chaos, but still possible.

Couldn't a Grey knight mutate into a spawn? I mean I don't think a spawn is a daemon, it's just a mutation caused by warp energies, unless the Grey Knights are so uber powered that they have some kind of anti-warp shield around with them

Well, via current codex CSMs can spawnify a GK. But to the original poster, I think that's a pretty nifty way of using GK for chaos. Maybe not daemons in their armor but maybe crazy Dark Mechanicus hobajoo would be more 'in line'. I've been tossing around ideas myself to even just use GK models (They look so cool) for my CSMs and yours if better than mine so far. I say go for it and feth the rest.

Arm.chair.general wrote:Believing that the Grey knights will never fall to chaos is a serious misinterpritation of the fluff...it's unlikely they would fall to chaos, but still possible.

We said, everybody knows that no Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. Even if there is a chance one in a billion, calculate the chance of two or three or a whole army of grey Knights falling to Chaos. See? Only Mat Ward can make that happen by disregarding exsting fluff.

You could have Alpha Legion involved. Hell I would not put it past Alpha Legion marines aquiring Grey Knights Armor.

Because when a certain kind of 12-year olds start 40k, their first choices are either Chaos Grey Knights, Chaos Sororitas (Slaaanesh ) or Chaos Tau. It makes them feel so naughty. And they always think, they are the first to come up with this idea, and start rolling Greenstuff tentacles.
I call it the Paladrin syndrome (every second 12 year old wants to play an evil paladin in WoW, now they can ... as Death Knights).

Ranking second iin lame ideas are: Star Wars Rebel Guard, Nazi Guard, female Marines, a pink army.

Man Im laughing hard Kroot, great stuff.

I cant agree with the premise whatsoever Im afraid, however as others have said it is your army and you can do whatever you like with it.
Calling the idea stupid or slowed is offensive though, just simply explain why it isnt feasible/likely and leave it at that. No need to go emo over it.

Grey Templar wrote:
2 basic rules of semi-serious 40k playing.

1: No femarines

2: No Chaos Gks

I would add a third here; No Space Wolf successor chapters!

Arm.chair.general wrote:

Thank you, some people is actually kind of agreeing with my idea. Yeah +1 on

It doesn't preclude it from ever happening

Believing that the Grey knights will never fall to chaos is a serious misinterpritation of the fluff...it's unlikely they would fall to chaos, but still possible.

Couldn't a Grey knight mutate into a spawn? I mean I don't think a spawn is a daemon, it's just a mutation caused by warp energies, unless the Grey Knights are so uber powered that they have some kind of anti-warp shield around with them

Well, huh, they kinda have... Seriously, they are the only marines that can travel freely eldar style through the warp... And all the aegis thing (both the armor and the psychic protection)...

Valkyrie wrote:Somewhere, right now, Matt (two t's for terrible) Ward could be reading this thread, and a little light bulb above his head goes "ding!", before he begins to scribble notes for his long-dreaded publication, Codex: Chaos Grey Knights ¬¬

Don't worry i have been writing these ideas down and i'll give them to him on Monday...

lol, i like the image of the GK as an uncorruptable entity, take that away from them and they are no cooler than normal SM with huge nemesis weapons...

ZeFelix42 wrote:Well, via current codex CSMs can spawnify a GK. But to the original poster, I think that's a pretty nifty way of using GK for chaos. Maybe not daemons in their armor but maybe crazy Dark Mechanicus hobajoo would be more 'in line'. I've been tossing around ideas myself to even just use GK models (They look so cool) for my CSMs and yours if better than mine so far. I say go for it and feth the rest.

Thanks, or the Dark Mechanicus has developed a way to build Grey knight stlye armnour, and units? The Grey Knights 'dex would make an awesome basis for a Dark Mechanicus army!!