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2011/11/16 17:13:46
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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In a straight-up fight using, for example, a sector of a hive city as an arena, which one of these would win? Please do not simply take your favourite; take the one you believe would win. Assume that this is pre-heresy, so they are slightly equal. IMO, choosing a winner is VERY hard.
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2011/11/16 18:20:34
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Angron, because he is so freaking ANGRY!!!!
Seriously, he would break any Primarch in 1 on 1 fight.
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
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2011/11/16 18:30:15
Subject: Re:Which primarch would win?
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Mutating Changebringer
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Horus. Even the Emperor knew that. That's why he made him Warmaster.
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2011/11/16 19:12:26
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Sagitarius with a Big F'in Gun
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Angron or Magnus the Red, Angron because he would just bash the other guys skulls in and Magnus.. Well he could wrestle a Titan to the ground with his psychic might.. Just saying 
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2011/11/16 19:50:16
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Magnus wouldn't win because the other Primarchs have genetic psychic resistance. His powers wouldn't be quite as strong against them. Sure, they'd still hurt, but I doubt he could instantly snap their necks or crush their skulls.
Angron is a tough competitor, but he's too single minded in combat because of his cybernetic implants. The other Primarches are extremely intelligent and could probably outmaneuver him, trick or ambitious him.
Sanguinius can fly, so that's a big advantage right there. However he was never especially gifted in close combat. Besides, Horus one hit killed him on his Battle Barge (of course Horus is slightly less powerful here, but he could still handle him).
Alpharius/Omegon have the advantage of numbers and are sneaky, exceptionally so. They could easily outmaneuver and flank other Primarches. That said, they were described as being more Astartes like than the other Primarches and probably wouldn't be able to win.
Leman Russ is an excellent brawler and has a good chance. But that's it. He wasn't particularly sneaky and doesn't have a lot of the other advantages that other Primarches have. Neither does Horus, but Horus made up for it by sheer skill and determination.
Overall I voted Horus because of the Primarches he's the overall best. He's cunning, fearless, determined, quick and strong. Some of the other Primarches have advantages over him, but nothing major enough to take him down.
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2011/11/16 19:57:59
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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I say Horus
LoneLictor wrote:Sanguinius can fly, so that's a big advantage right there. However he was never especially gifted in close combat. Besides, Horus one hit killed him on his Battle Barge (of course Horus is slightly less powerful here, but he could still handle him).
Sanguinius was extremely gifted in close combat. Not only was he said to have peerless skill in that regard but according to Corax, Sanguinius is the only Primarch besides Horus who stands a chance against Angron. However, the answer is still Horus for me.
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2011/11/16 20:05:01
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Imperial Admiral
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LoneLictor wrote:
Sanguinius can fly, so that's a big advantage right there. However he was never especially gifted in close combat. Besides, Horus one hit killed him on his Battle Barge (of course Horus is slightly less powerful here, but he could still handle him).
Sanguinius was an absolute close combat beast, actually.
Alpharius/Omegon have the advantage of numbers and are sneaky, exceptionally so. They could easily outmaneuver and flank other Primarches.
Corax would probably have a thing or two to say about that.
Anyway, this question's pre-Heresy, right? I'd probably give it to Angron. Heresy-era, I'd say Horus. Post-Heresy, everybody's dead or a daemon prince. Angron again.
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2011/11/16 23:44:21
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Straight up fight? Angron or Horus. Depending on when they get to them, maybe Sanguinius or Magnus. Manus' sheer toughness might see him through.
In a large area, Angron would likely be the first to go down. Alpharius would stand out as a strong contender due to his more... underhanded tactics. Magnus would be able to wreak havoc with more opportunity to use his powers. Khan might win by blitzing them one by one and recovering in between.
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2011/11/17 04:01:18
Subject: Re:Which primarch would win?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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I've always considered Magnus the most powerful Primarch.
Apparently Aurelian outright states this is indeed the case.
Haven't read myself though, so this could be misinformation.
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2011/11/17 07:02:43
Subject: Re:Which primarch would win?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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Read this blog post ADB made a couple of days ago. http://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/40k-forums/ These discussions… They’re not for me. I find them childish, and I think they miss the point. “Which primarch could beat X, Y and Z?” It’s not that simple. It’s not a matter of Paper always beating Rock, and Rock always beating Scissors. That’s why those “Which Primarch Is Toughest?” threads are so worthless. At their peaks, the primarchs are essentially the same, with things mostly dependent on circumstances. Fights are fights, with all the chaos of emotion, fear, fate, and the thousands of things that can go wrong. They’re not sterile events of “Well, he’s stronger, so he’ll always win.” No race or fight ever plays out that way. Don’t be allergic to nuance. That’s not cool.
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2011/11/17 13:04:00
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Now, whilst I can agree that, roughly, each Primarch is equal once all their advantages and disadvantages are weighed up together, they're all equal on an individual basis, I have to disagree that there can never be a result of an X vs Y in Z situation.
When you put a premise like this on it eg. a huge battle royale between all of them, the balance tips in the favor of a few who are clearly superior to others in this situation. Angron, Kurze, Russ, the brawlers would excel in this situation, as would Magnus whose psychic powers would allow him to fight more than one enemy at a time.
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2011/11/17 22:49:14
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Scuttling Genestealer
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Angron would just charge in and destroy several before moving on to Horus. Pre- heresy Horus wasn't as powerful as in heresy, so would get tired quickly from the brawl, whereas Angron would just go berserk and kill everything.
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2011/11/17 23:13:54
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Killing primarchs isn't exactly a walk in the park. It would drain his energy. And fighting smart is better than fighting angry.
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2011/11/17 23:36:59
Subject: Re:Which primarch would win?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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I don't think there would be a clear winner here...
It would be a rather epic fight though.
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2011/11/18 00:04:10
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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2011/11/18 00:21:05
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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hahahahahaha amazing
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2011/11/18 00:42:32
Subject: Re:Which primarch would win?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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DeffDred wrote:Horus. Even the Emperor knew that. That's why he made him Warmaster.
He made him Warmaster because Horus had ambition. Automatically Appended Next Post: And if they get a chance to set up defenses first, Rogal Dorn
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2011/11/18 00:53:16
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I thought Night Haunter as everyone was scared of him.
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2011/11/18 01:01:55
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Sanguinius or Horus. It's said that Sanguinius and Horus were more or less equal, only that Sanguinius was less ambitious than Horus.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/18 01:56:44
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Tadashi wrote:Sanguinius or Horus. It's said that Sanguinius and Horus were more or less equal, only that Sanguinius was less ambitious than Horus.
Sanguinius was the Emperor's beauty, Horus was his ambition, because they all represented a facet of their father.
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2011/11/18 01:57:48
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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im2randomghgh wrote:Tadashi wrote:Sanguinius or Horus. It's said that Sanguinius and Horus were more or less equal, only that Sanguinius was less ambitious than Horus.
Sanguinius was the Emperor's beauty, Horus was his ambition, because they all represented a facet of their father.
I would think Fulgrim was the beauty while Sanguinius represented the Emperor's humanity.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/18 02:01:24
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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No, Sanguinius would have represented the Emperor's wisdom. Lorgar represented his humanity IMHO.
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2011/11/18 02:02:50
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Tadashi wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:Tadashi wrote:Sanguinius or Horus. It's said that Sanguinius and Horus were more or less equal, only that Sanguinius was less ambitious than Horus.
Sanguinius was the Emperor's beauty, Horus was his ambition, because they all represented a facet of their father.
I would think Fulgrim was the beauty while Sanguinius represented the Emperor's humanity.
Fulgrim was his artistic side, Sanguinius was his beauty, Rogal Dorn was his wisdom/honour etc.
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2011/11/18 02:07:40
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Deathly Angel wrote:No, Sanguinius would have represented the Emperor's wisdom. Lorgar represented his humanity IMHO.
No, I don't think so. Lorgar would be the Emperor's ability to convert people's beliefs (missionary/diplomat/emissary)?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/18 02:18:07
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Tadashi wrote:Deathly Angel wrote:No, Sanguinius would have represented the Emperor's wisdom. Lorgar represented his humanity IMHO.
No, I don't think so. Lorgar would be the Emperor's ability to convert people's beliefs (missionary/diplomat/emissary)?
Or, more simply put, he is the Emperor's faith. All the primarchs represent a simple, fundamental aspect of him. Plus, the diplomat is Roboute Guiliman.
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2011/11/18 02:21:48
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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That would make the Lion the Knight, I suppose.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/18 05:25:20
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Tadashi wrote:That would make the Lion the Knight, I suppose.
Most decidedly, yes.
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2011/11/18 06:59:54
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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What about Khan, Russ, Manus, and Corax?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/18 07:15:19
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Tadashi wrote:What about Khan, Russ, Manus, and Corax?
Russ is his wild side, his aspect of the executioner.
Manus is his Strength
Corax is his subtlety
Khan is his mustache.
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2011/11/18 07:21:57
Subject: Which primarch would win?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Just like the Aspects of Khaine, then.
Lion = the Knight
Fulgrim = the Artist
Lorgar = Belief
Khan = mustache?
Angron = battle fury
Russ = wildness?
Magnus = psychic might
Dorn = the Noble Warrior
Perturabo = Master of Technology
Sanguinius = humanity
Mortarion = endurance
Manus = strength
Kurze = vengeance?
Guilliman = the leader
Alpharius Omegon = tactician
Vulkan = ingenuity
Horus = ambition
Corax = schemer
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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