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Not a question so much as a statement.

Konrad Curze beat him in a fight.

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

Maybe not the Thousand Sons. Magnus and Sanguinius were both psykers, and would have understood each other better.

But even before the Heresy, Magnus had already made a pact with Tzeentch to stop the mutation of the 1k sons.


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CrashCanuck wrote:Konrad Curze, as for why? It's because he's the GD Batman in power armor.

For a non comical reason, he really was pretty much batman, haunting the city and dealing with criminals. It takes skills to stay hidden like that, esp as a 7 foot tall superhuman being. He also has an advantage shared with Sanguinius, they are both precognitive, and I'm willing to bet having the ability to glimpse the future would help alot.

Considerably more than 7', as that is the height of marines, and primarchs are taller than marines.

Either way, there is the key difference of Night Haunter being a murderer, and Batman never taking human life, ever.

Then break it. Magnus could use his own power to escape the terms, and I'm sure if the Thousand Sons could place limits on their powers they could escape the flesh-change.

You can't really break a promise to a Chaos God unless your name is Alpharius and it hasn't happened yet.

Tzeentch would just stop limiting their mutations. It was originally because of unstable gene-seed, not sorcery that they mutated. And Magnus REALLY couldn't use his powers to overcome tzeentch, That would be like fighting a fish with nice, clean water.

Then he asks for help from the Emperor. Let's say Sanguinius did become Warmaster. Magnus asks Sanguinius for help. Sanguinius probably had more empathy than all other Primarchs put together. If Sanguinius convinces Magnus to humble himself and ask for help from the Emperor, then the Emperor would probably use His own god-like might to smash the bonds between Magnus and Tzeentch. Magnus regains his faith in the Emperor, and the Thousand Sons can rejoin the Great Crusade without having to fear the flesh-change anymore.

This happened LONG before the warmaster was named. This was like day one Magnus with his new Legion.

And the Emperor would probably purge Magnus if he knew he was dealing with Tzeentch, the way he purged II and XI.

@ Tadashi:

I disagree with the Alpha Legion being on a slippery slope. Have you read Legion?

Castiel wrote:@ Tadashi:

I disagree with the Alpha Legion being on a slippery slope. Have you read Legion?

That was me who said they were.

And they associated with the Eldar. They were on the route to xenos-y treachery, rather than chaos-y treachery

im2randomghgh wrote:

Castiel wrote:@ Tadashi:

I disagree with the Alpha Legion being on a slippery slope. Have you read Legion?

That was me who said they were.

And they associated with the Eldar. They were on the route to xenos-y treachery, rather than chaos-y treachery

No they associated with one Eldar. As for the Alpha Legion, I heard from a 40ker on SB who said that in the latest books or something like that. The Alpha Legion betray the CABAL. So if its true, yeah they don't give crap about anyone.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Castiel wrote:@ Tadashi:

I disagree with the Alpha Legion being on a slippery slope. Have you read Legion?

That was me who said they were.

And they associated with the Eldar. They were on the route to xenos-y treachery, rather than chaos-y treachery

No they associated with one Eldar. As for the Alpha Legion, I heard from a 40ker on SB who said that in the latest books or something like that. The Alpha Legion betray the CABAL. So if its true, yeah they don't give crap about anyone.

Well they obviously did give a crap if the eldar were enough to make Alpharius betray the Emperor.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Well they obviously did give a crap if the eldar were enough to make Alpharius betray the Emperor.

The Eldar was just a member of the CABAL which is made up of various races and not all Eldar.

Here is what was stated: On a side note Omegon literally kicks a representitive of the Cabal out of the airlock and states they don't need the Cabal anymore.

I can provide a link if you want?

Leman Russ's is to kill any primarch the emperor tells him to.
Plus he treated Horus like a chump so hes the real deal

Russ got lucky against Magnus. If he hadn't hit Magnus in the eye, Magnus would taken Russ' head.

Tadashi wrote:Russ got lucky against Magnus. If he hadn't hit Magnus in the eye, Magnus would taken Russ' head.

If Magnus hadn't hit Russ in the heart Russ would've won by even more.

What's the point of what ifs?

What if The Emperor randomly teleported down halfway through the duel and killed them both?

Then both Space Wolves and Thousand Sons would have joined Horus. This is a discussion. We speculate on what ifs. That's the point.

Void__Dragon wrote:
Konrad Curze beat him in a fight.

Didn't A-D-B explicitly state that in his view it was actually more of a stalemate? The Night Haunter held the temporary advantage but that it was by no means over?

Tadashi wrote:Then both Space Wolves and Thousand Sons would have joined Horus. This is a discussion. We speculate on what ifs. That's the point.

If there were any left to join Horus.

True.

im2randomghgh wrote:If Magnus hadn't hit Russ in the heart Russ would've won by even more.

What's the point of what ifs?

What if The Emperor randomly teleported down halfway through the duel and killed them both?

The difference is that Magnus hit Russ in the heart intentionally, using his own skill in power.

Russ flailed blindly and just happened to get a lucky shot on Magnus' eye, which crippled him more than a mere punctured heart.

At REG, I don't know what ADB himself said. But yeah, it wasn't a total stomp like some people pretend it is, but Curze isn't really one of the more combat-capable Primarchs either (Compared to say Angron or Sanguinius).

Kurze is a backstabbing supersneaky brute.
What's not to love?

Khan because he has an awesome bike and before anyone reaches him, they would be dead.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Well they obviously did give a crap if the eldar were enough to make Alpharius betray the Emperor.

The Eldar was just a member of the CABAL which is made up of various races and not all Eldar.

Here is what was stated: On a side note Omegon literally kicks a representitive of the Cabal out of the airlock and states they don't need the Cabal anymore.

I can provide a link if you want?

Wait, what? Yes! LINK!

Durza wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Well they obviously did give a crap if the eldar were enough to make Alpharius betray the Emperor.

The Eldar was just a member of the CABAL which is made up of various races and not all Eldar.

Here is what was stated: On a side note Omegon literally kicks a representitive of the Cabal out of the airlock and states they don't need the Cabal anymore.

I can provide a link if you want?

Wait, what? Yes! LINK!

Here you go http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=204846.

It can be found later in the first page and for most of the second page and they have a link to warseer.com for the full idea of what happens.

Void__Dragon wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:If Magnus hadn't hit Russ in the heart Russ would've won by even more.

What's the point of what ifs?

What if The Emperor randomly teleported down halfway through the duel and killed them both?

The difference is that Magnus hit Russ in the heart intentionally, using his own skill in power.

Russ flailed blindly and just happened to get a lucky shot on Magnus' eye, which crippled him more than a mere punctured heart.

So basically what you're telling me is that Magnus was so unskilled that he got caught off guard by someone he supposedly had dead to rights........I bet Russ broke his back because that's his weak spot too.

He knew exactly how to cripple Magnus

Russ Mandarin wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:If Magnus hadn't hit Russ in the heart Russ would've won by even more.

What's the point of what ifs?

What if The Emperor randomly teleported down halfway through the duel and killed them both?

The difference is that Magnus hit Russ in the heart intentionally, using his own skill in power.

Russ flailed blindly and just happened to get a lucky shot on Magnus' eye, which crippled him more than a mere punctured heart.

So basically what you're telling me is that Magnus was so unskilled that he got caught off guard by someone he supposedly had dead to rights........I bet Russ broke his back because that's his weak spot too.

He knew exactly how to cripple Magnus

Well, come to think of it...... No.
Magnus had the upper hand, Russ won due to luck. He was blinded, so flailed in desperation, and hit the smallest target on Magnus's body. Extreme luck or Tzeentch trickery, either way, it shows Russ was the victor due to the machinations of something outside of both his and his opponent's control, and not because of his own skill.

Not to mention that Magnus's attentions were split between a number of different events, like transporting his entire Legion and the people of Prospero in the Eye of Terror, and holding off the Space Wolves, whilst in the presence of Sisters of Silence.

Konrad Curze - this guy was used to assasinate OTHER PRIMARCHS. He's simply the unstoppable version of Batman. Who is awesome.....
Sqallum

Sqallum wrote:Konrad Curze - this guy was used to assasinate OTHER PRIMARCHS. He's simply the unstoppable version of Batman. Who is awesome.....
Sqallum

Could you name any of these OTHER PRIMARCHS that Curze assassinated?

Incidentally, I'm now changing my vote to Fulgrim, just based on his record.

First time he was aided by a Daemon Sword. Second time wasn't even Fulgrim, and was way after the Heresy.

iproxtaco wrote:First time he was aided by a Daemon Sword. Second time wasn't even Fulgrim, and was way after the Heresy.

Still, he's the only Primarch with even one confirmed Primarch kill.

True, but neither kills were his doing, and were the achievements of other entities working through Fulgrim.

Well then, the Laeran daemon in Fulgrim's body has the highest primarch kill count.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Durza wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Well they obviously did give a crap if the eldar were enough to make Alpharius betray the Emperor.

The Eldar was just a member of the CABAL which is made up of various races and not all Eldar.

Here is what was stated: On a side note Omegon literally kicks a representitive of the Cabal out of the airlock and states they don't need the Cabal anymore.

I can provide a link if you want?

Wait, what? Yes! LINK!

Here you go http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=204846.

It can be found later in the first page and for most of the second page and they have a link to warseer.com for the full idea of what happens.

Simultaneously that makes Alpharius awesome and Corax not awesome. I don't know whether to be annoyed or not.

theres a lot of IFs in this but its rumored that The Emperor is the grey knights Primark, i would put my money on him if it was a flat out fight...not a "my death would save the Imperium of man" type move.

Im sure this isnt fair to add, but what would happen if you took every primark vs the Emperor.

The primarchs would win. Numbers beat skill any day. Apart from Thursday.

Seriously, Horus at perhaps double his normal power was enough to kill the Emperor. Now imagine if Horus had Sanguinius and Angron fighting alongside him while Magnus restrained his psychic powers. That's just four.

but the emperor isn't "dead" in respect to his will protecting mankind.

The Emperor is now the figurehead of a corrupt Imperium. When Horus struck him down, it began the long descent of his empire into what it currently is. Horus destroyed the Emperor as a leader, destroyed what he tried to build and put him on life support. Horus killed the Emperor whether he's dead or not.