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Tadashi wrote:
Alpharius Omegon = tactician
Corax = schemer

I'd flip those two.

Seaward wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
Alpharius Omegon = tactician
Corax = schemer

I'd flip those two.

Then the twins would be schemers while the Raven is the tactician. Thanks!

Though really, I'd say Corax is pragmatism.

This list is blatantly stolen from The Emperor's Champion over on B&C:

The Lion - Coldness, Inimicality, Pessimism
The Khan - Ferocity, Stateliness
Russ - Boldness, Boisterousness
Dorn - Duty, Earnestness, Stubborness, Guilt-ridden
Sanguinius - Altruism, Optimism, Prodigy
Ferrus Manus - Suspicion, Dourness
Guilliman - Efficiency, Order, Honor, Prudence, Selflessness
Vulkan - Unyieldingness, Humanitarianism/Philanthropy, Protector
Corax - Penitence, Remorse, Adroitness, Guile
Fulgrim - Perfectionism, Precisionism, Aestheticism, Decadence
Perturabo - Bitterness, Agitation, Grudging
Night Haunter - Fatalism, Mercilessness, Tormented, Brutality, Justice
Angron - Rage, Destructiveness, Bellicoseness
Mortarion - Enduring, Relentlessness, Vengefulness
Magnus - Thirst For Knowledge, Martyr
Horus - Ambitiousness, Charisma, Megalomania
Lorgar - Faith, Approval Seeking, Piety, Demagoguery
Alpharius & Omegon - Misdirection, Independence, Redundancy, Subversion

Whoah...thanks...

Im the only one who voted for him, but I say Ferrus Manus. It says in HH book Age of Darkness that of all the Primarchs, Ferrus Manus was the largest, size and strength wise. Also, I love that rumour that his hands may have been similar to necrodermis.

Seaward wrote:Though really, I'd say Corax is pragmatism.

This list is blatantly stolen from The Emperor's Champion over on B&C:

The Lion - Coldness, Inimicality, Pessimism
The Khan - Ferocity, Stateliness
Russ - Boldness, Boisterousness
Dorn - Duty, Earnestness, Stubborness, Guilt-ridden
Sanguinius - Altruism, Optimism, Prodigy
Ferrus Manus - Suspicion, Dourness
Guilliman - Efficiency, Order, Honor, Prudence, Selflessness
Vulkan - Unyieldingness, Humanitarianism/Philanthropy, Protector
Corax - Penitence, Remorse, Adroitness, Guile
Fulgrim - Perfectionism, Precisionism, Aestheticism, Decadence
Perturabo - Bitterness, Agitation, Grudging
Night Haunter - Fatalism, Mercilessness, Tormented, Brutality, Justice
Angron - Rage, Destructiveness, Bellicoseness
Mortarion - Enduring, Relentlessness, Vengefulness
Magnus - Thirst For Knowledge, Martyr
Horus - Ambitiousness, Charisma, Megalomania
Lorgar - Faith, Approval Seeking, Piety, Demagoguery
Alpharius & Omegon - Misdirection, Independence, Redundancy, Subversion

I'd say that Angron was his honour, which got corrupted into rage by the Emperor's own actions.

I picked Alpharius/Omegon because I don't think he/they would fight fair. He would skulk in the background and let a cloaked battle barge come blast everyone else from orbit

Tadashi wrote:Just like the Aspects of Khaine, then.
Lion = the Knight
Fulgrim = the Artist
Lorgar = Belief
Khan = mustache?
Angron = battle fury
Russ = wildness?
Magnus = psychic might
Dorn = the Noble Warrior
Perturabo = Master of Technology
Sanguinius = humanity
Mortarion = endurance
Manus = strength
Kurze = vengeance?
Guilliman = the leader
Alpharius Omegon = tactician
Vulkan = ingenuity
Horus = ambition
Corax = schemer

I'd say Magnus represents the aspect of the scholar. These can't be TOO specific. And I'd argue that Guilliman would be the Builder.

And IMHO Sanguinius is his Beauty, and Russ his aspect of the Executioner.

Other than that I think you nailed it, good job mate


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Durza wrote:

Seaward wrote:Though really, I'd say Corax is pragmatism.

This list is blatantly stolen from The Emperor's Champion over on B&C:

The Lion - Coldness, Inimicality, Pessimism
The Khan - Ferocity, Stateliness
Russ - Boldness, Boisterousness
Dorn - Duty, Earnestness, Stubborness, Guilt-ridden
Sanguinius - Altruism, Optimism, Prodigy
Ferrus Manus - Suspicion, Dourness
Guilliman - Efficiency, Order, Honor, Prudence, Selflessness
Vulkan - Unyieldingness, Humanitarianism/Philanthropy, Protector
Corax - Penitence, Remorse, Adroitness, Guile
Fulgrim - Perfectionism, Precisionism, Aestheticism, Decadence
Perturabo - Bitterness, Agitation, Grudging
Night Haunter - Fatalism, Mercilessness, Tormented, Brutality, Justice
Angron - Rage, Destructiveness, Bellicoseness
Mortarion - Enduring, Relentlessness, Vengefulness
Magnus - Thirst For Knowledge, Martyr
Horus - Ambitiousness, Charisma, Megalomania
Lorgar - Faith, Approval Seeking, Piety, Demagoguery
Alpharius & Omegon - Misdirection, Independence, Redundancy, Subversion

I'd say that Angron was his honour, which got corrupted into rage by the Emperor's own actions.

Even before the Emperor's interference, Angron was angry. He had been implanted with the angry-ifing thing in his head while he was a gladiator.

What exactly does 'his aspect of the executioner' even mean?

im2randomghgh wrote:Even before the Emperor's interference, Angron was angry. He had been implanted with the angry-ifing thing in his head while he was a gladiator.

Yes, but he still had honour (not sure if he does. It would be good if he does.), and clearly cared for his comrades. The Emperor arguably kept him on the path of anger due to His actions (Angron would still have been angry, but it wouldn't have been directed anger - he wouldn't be hating those he was forging, with blood, the Imperium for).

Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

Sangunius, for he was in any battle were he failed heavily wounded.

daveNYC wrote:What exactly does 'his aspect of the executioner' even mean?

It means that They are not like the ultramrines, building and empire, or the WB, spreading faith. They are meant to utterly destroy whatever they attack. An axe or a hammer, rather than a spear head.

im2randomghgh wrote:

daveNYC wrote:What exactly does 'his aspect of the executioner' even mean?

It means that They are not like the ultramrines, building and empire, or the WB, spreading faith. They are meant to utterly destroy whatever they attack. An axe or a hammer, rather than a spear head.

I think what he meant was that the Emperor didn't have an 'executioner' aspect, so it just doesn't sound right. Ambition, Nobility, Pride, Executioner. One of these things is not like the others.

Orblivion wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

daveNYC wrote:What exactly does 'his aspect of the executioner' even mean?

It means that They are not like the ultramrines, building and empire, or the WB, spreading faith. They are meant to utterly destroy whatever they attack. An axe or a hammer, rather than a spear head.

I think what he meant was that the Emperor didn't have an 'executioner' aspect, so it just doesn't sound right. Ambition, Nobility, Pride, Executioner. One of these things is not like the others.

But the emperor most certainly did. He was not a perfect man, by any stretch of the imagination.

His Great Crusade sounds all noble and epic, until you realise how arrogant "purge everything in the entire galaxy that isn't human" sounds.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Orblivion wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

daveNYC wrote:What exactly does 'his aspect of the executioner' even mean?

It means that They are not like the ultramrines, building and empire, or the WB, spreading faith. They are meant to utterly destroy whatever they attack. An axe or a hammer, rather than a spear head.

I think what he meant was that the Emperor didn't have an 'executioner' aspect, so it just doesn't sound right. Ambition, Nobility, Pride, Executioner. One of these things is not like the others.

But the emperor most certainly did. He was not a perfect man, by any stretch of the imagination.

His Great Crusade sounds all noble and epic, until you realise how arrogant "purge everything in the entire galaxy that isn't human" sounds.

Nope, still not what he/I meant. The point is, 'executioner' is not a personality trait, so it doesn't sound right to say that Russ was the aspect of the executioner. Basically, he was just busting your balls.

Khan's big thing is unity from what little there is to read about him. He's also got the fierce tribal loyalty thing going on......Though he does have a rocking mustache too...

"He instantly recognized that this man could fulfill his dream of unifying all the stars. The Great Khan immediately dropped to his knee and pledged his eternal service to this man in front of all of his shocked generals." -Paraphrase of Khan meeting the Emperor from IA

I wouldn't say I was just busting his balls. The question was snarky, but the point behind it was that 'Executioner' is really just a job. A personality aspect is something more than just a job title.

Orblivion wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Orblivion wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

daveNYC wrote:What exactly does 'his aspect of the executioner' even mean?

It means that They are not like the ultramrines, building and empire, or the WB, spreading faith. They are meant to utterly destroy whatever they attack. An axe or a hammer, rather than a spear head.

I think what he meant was that the Emperor didn't have an 'executioner' aspect, so it just doesn't sound right. Ambition, Nobility, Pride, Executioner. One of these things is not like the others.

But the emperor most certainly did. He was not a perfect man, by any stretch of the imagination.

His Great Crusade sounds all noble and epic, until you realise how arrogant "purge everything in the entire galaxy that isn't human" sounds.

Nope, still not what he/I meant. The point is, 'executioner' is not a personality trait, so it doesn't sound right to say that Russ was the aspect of the executioner. Basically, he was just busting your balls.

I didn't say they were all personality traits. Magnus is Him as the Scholar, Lorgar as the Priest, Horus the Leader etc., I said they were aspects of him.

Medium of Death wrote:I don't think there would be a clear winner here...

It would be a rather epic fight though.

I have to agree with this.

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

Maybe not the Thousand Sons. Magnus and Sanguinius were both psykers, and would have understood each other better.

Konrad Curze, as for why? It's because he's the GD Batman in power armor.

For a non comical reason, he really was pretty much batman, haunting the city and dealing with criminals. It takes skills to stay hidden like that, esp as a 7 foot tall superhuman being. He also has an advantage shared with Sanguinius, they are both precognitive, and I'm willing to bet having the ability to glimpse the future would help alot.

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

Maybe not the Thousand Sons. Magnus and Sanguinius were both psykers, and would have understood each other better.

But even before the Heresy, Magnus had already made a pact with Tzeentch to stop the mutation of the 1k sons.


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CrashCanuck wrote:Konrad Curze, as for why? It's because he's the GD Batman in power armor.

For a non comical reason, he really was pretty much batman, haunting the city and dealing with criminals. It takes skills to stay hidden like that, esp as a 7 foot tall superhuman being. He also has an advantage shared with Sanguinius, they are both precognitive, and I'm willing to bet having the ability to glimpse the future would help alot.

Considerably more than 7', as that is the height of marines, and primarchs are taller than marines.

Either way, there is the key difference of Night Haunter being a murderer, and Batman never taking human life, ever.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

Maybe not the Thousand Sons. Magnus and Sanguinius were both psykers, and would have understood each other better.

But even before the Heresy, Magnus had already made a pact with Tzeentch to stop the mutation of the 1k sons.


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CrashCanuck wrote:Konrad Curze, as for why? It's because he's the GD Batman in power armor.

For a non comical reason, he really was pretty much batman, haunting the city and dealing with criminals. It takes skills to stay hidden like that, esp as a 7 foot tall superhuman being. He also has an advantage shared with Sanguinius, they are both precognitive, and I'm willing to bet having the ability to glimpse the future would help alot.

Considerably more than 7', as that is the height of marines, and primarchs are taller than marines.

Either way, there is the key difference of Night Haunter being a murderer, and Batman never taking human life, ever.

Then break it. Magnus could use his own power to escape the terms, and I'm sure if the Thousand Sons could place limits on their powers they could escape the flesh-change.

Horus.

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

Maybe not the Thousand Sons. Magnus and Sanguinius were both psykers, and would have understood each other better.

But even before the Heresy, Magnus had already made a pact with Tzeentch to stop the mutation of the 1k sons.


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CrashCanuck wrote:Konrad Curze, as for why? It's because he's the GD Batman in power armor.

For a non comical reason, he really was pretty much batman, haunting the city and dealing with criminals. It takes skills to stay hidden like that, esp as a 7 foot tall superhuman being. He also has an advantage shared with Sanguinius, they are both precognitive, and I'm willing to bet having the ability to glimpse the future would help alot.

Considerably more than 7', as that is the height of marines, and primarchs are taller than marines.

Either way, there is the key difference of Night Haunter being a murderer, and Batman never taking human life, ever.

Then break it. Magnus could use his own power to escape the terms, and I'm sure if the Thousand Sons could place limits on their powers they could escape the flesh-change.

You can't really break a promise to a Chaos God unless your name is Alpharius and it hasn't happened yet.

Tzeentch would just stop limiting their mutations. It was originally because of unstable gene-seed, not sorcery that they mutated. And Magnus REALLY couldn't use his powers to overcome tzeentch, That would be like fighting a fish with nice, clean water.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Orblivion wrote:Horus claimed that Sanguinius had it all, and did not represent any single facet of the Emperor like so many other primarchs did. Sanguinius was basically a scaled down version of the Emperor.

Still, I think Horus was the best of them.

True, now that you mention it, Sanguinius was the closest of the Primarchs to what and who the Emperor was. In my opinion (and Horus before he fell to Chaos), Sanguinius should have made Warmaster. Then perhaps the Heresy could have been avoided, or at least reduced in scope.

Yeah, it definately couldn't have been avoided entirely.

Night Lords, Thousand Sons, Word bearers, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors were on a slippery slope.

And they are all equally close to the Emperor.

Maybe not the Thousand Sons. Magnus and Sanguinius were both psykers, and would have understood each other better.

But even before the Heresy, Magnus had already made a pact with Tzeentch to stop the mutation of the 1k sons.


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CrashCanuck wrote:Konrad Curze, as for why? It's because he's the GD Batman in power armor.

For a non comical reason, he really was pretty much batman, haunting the city and dealing with criminals. It takes skills to stay hidden like that, esp as a 7 foot tall superhuman being. He also has an advantage shared with Sanguinius, they are both precognitive, and I'm willing to bet having the ability to glimpse the future would help alot.

Considerably more than 7', as that is the height of marines, and primarchs are taller than marines.

Either way, there is the key difference of Night Haunter being a murderer, and Batman never taking human life, ever.

Then break it. Magnus could use his own power to escape the terms, and I'm sure if the Thousand Sons could place limits on their powers they could escape the flesh-change.

You can't really break a promise to a Chaos God unless your name is Alpharius and it hasn't happened yet.

Tzeentch would just stop limiting their mutations. It was originally because of unstable gene-seed, not sorcery that they mutated. And Magnus REALLY couldn't use his powers to overcome tzeentch, That would be like fighting a fish with nice, clean water.

Then he asks for help from the Emperor. Let's say Sanguinius did become Warmaster. Magnus asks Sanguinius for help. Sanguinius probably had more empathy than all other Primarchs put together. If Sanguinius convinces Magnus to humble himself and ask for help from the Emperor, then the Emperor would probably use His own god-like might to smash the bonds between Magnus and Tzeentch. Magnus regains his faith in the Emperor, and the Thousand Sons can rejoin the Great Crusade without having to fear the flesh-change anymore.

Lion El Johnson

A= his name is bad ass
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