Grey Knights Black Box in stores March 12th/ pics on page 12 onwards.

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**H.B.M.C.**

Therion wrote:I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malform, who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.

Or... they're just aliens... who aren't humans... and are therefore different in structure... which is completely legitimate given that they are made up and not real (and thefore not 'malformed [Mod Edit - Seriously, why is everyone going nuts with this word lately?]')... and therefore and everything you just said is both nonsensical and irrelevant to the topic at hand.

What's worse? People raising complaints (legitimate or otherwise) about the new models, or those raging about the people raging about the models? Don't answer that though Therion, because it's rhetorical (and obvious).

**Scottywan82**

So for the TA and PAGKs, any chance someone can get the storm bolters on the halberds and swords? Like the classic style?

It might help make their wrists look less ridiculous.

**H.B.M.C.**

I say just cut the clips for the PAGK Storm Bolters in half. That should work.

Thank Draigo that they're separate bitz, hey?

**Scottywan82**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I say just cut the clips for the PAGK Storm Bolters in half. That should work.

Thank Draigo that they're separate bitz, hey?

Amen.

Though I do really miss the whole "Stargate" look of having them on the halberd hafts.

**physcosamatic**

Dreadknight. Its like, a Greyknight made sweet love to a Wraithlord and a Tau battle suit then the children of those 2 had a baby together then that baby got made sweet love to by a greyknight then this would be the creation. After a long time of cleansing and purifying.

**ph34r**

That seems pretty easily doable, at least for the terminators where the storm bolter is separate. Just leave it off and cut down a normal bolter for the halberd.

**StarFyre**

Does anyone else wish they release a Paladin/Ghost Knight plastic set in another wave?

(I know they won't but still; i also find it hard to tell what is a paladin part vs regular). Grey knights are already ornate; i figure paladins should be like glowing; more like a D&D Paladin or Cleric @ 20-30th level

hehe

Maybe armour that has scripture ALL over it or something?

Sanjay

**Howard A Treesong**

ph34r wrote:The Dreadknight just seems completely pulled out of GW's ass. The GK use it exclusively for some reason, it looks totally unrelated to any other Imperial war machine, and the legs look a bit goofy. Same with the runes which are just single words instead of sprawling areas of wards.

Yep, it just doesn't look anything like the aesthetic of the imperium as seen before. If I didn't know better, I would think someone fielding this had converted it from another game system. It doesn't seem identify with 40K to me anyway. It just looks like they cooked up a model and crammed it into the army primarily as an excuse to have a kewl looking figure to sell and putting other considerations like aesthetics and fluff to one side meaning it sticks out like a sore thumb looking odd.

The other Grey Knight stuff is ok, but hellish expensive. Non-vanilla Plastic Marines are basically £4 a pop now; Grey Knights, Sanguinary Guard, Death Company, etc. Plastic Terminators are nearly £6 each.

**Tortured-Robot**

Ohhhhh. .... you can go to hell GW.... I spend months convicing my girlfriend they're Models, not toys!!!

What a waste of time.....

The Dreadknight may as well come with 2 tripple A batteries for battle field pow! pow! noises.

**H.B.M.C.**

StarFyre wrote:Does anyone else wish they release a Paladin/Ghost Knight plastic set in another wave?

This kit is the Paladin kit. And if you want ghost knights... paint 'em white.

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Scottywan82 wrote:Though I do really miss the whole "Stargate" look of having them on the halberd hafts.

The old Bolter-Halberd things were quite cool (my Terminator Inquisitor has one), but as Stargate proved such a weapon is useless in real combat.

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ph34r wrote:That seems pretty easily doable, at least for the terminators where the storm bolter is separate. Just leave it off and cut down a normal bolter for the halberd.

Or find alternate magazines - from spare Bolters, even spare Storm Bolters. Most things will be smaller than those jumbo-banana clips, so it shouldn't be hard.

**Just Dave**

I think I recognise where the hammer is from...

Anyone else see it? He's wielding a rock-hammer! Nemesis Rockhammer.

**Cerebrium**

I liked the old bolter-halberds, regardless of how inefficient the design is. Hell, efficiency is never a concern in 40k, if we're honest, especially not for Grey Knights.

The more I look at the Derpknight, the more I'm OK with it. Still gonna see how it looks sans babymarine though.

**Pyriel-**

Therion wrote:I like the Dreadknight a lot more than I like the PAGK. The PAGK are quite bad in my opinion, but that's a matter of taste I guess. I want tabards on everyone and those helmets simply don't do it for me. The guns look somehow weird as well.

I like that much better. The long legs on a Dreadnought just looks off.

That's amusing. Seriously, ROFL. If GW ever released something as slowed as the 'Ork Dreadknight' or the no-legs Dreadknight posted in this thread I would just drop dead in disbelief. The general quality of models is doing nothing else than going up release after release, but if there's really people out there who can keep a straight face and claim the "couldn't take one step without falling" Dreadnought or "the Space Marine has to be the size of a halfling if he can actually fit inside that power/terminator armour" aesthetics are somehow awesome and that the no-leg Dreadknight variant is better than the official model, I finally understand why there's so much hate on perfectly good or even great models. I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malformed retards who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.

+1
I lol:led

Or... they're just aliens... who aren't humans... and are therefore different in structure... which is completely legitimate given that they are made up and not real (and thefore not 'malformed retards')... and therefore and everything you just said is both nonsensical and irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Hot damn, and here I thought the dreadknight was made up and not real as well. Now that I know its for real then I can finally understand everything said and criticized about it is fully relevant.
lol

Now I also realized what has been bogging me so much with all the new minis, the text ornaments everywhere being cheesy english one-liners like "doom" and "faith" etc.
How hard would it be to use latin things instead for a bit of an archaic and 40k-ish gothic feeling.
Instead all I see when I look at the new terminators are guys wearing cheesy death/doom/nemesis/fist/faith - suits.
Damn that´s going to be hard to over come.

**reds8n**

A. Can people, you know, chill a little and make an effort to maintain some civility towards each other please. Ta.

B. Please don't quote lengthy posts just to add " +1" or similar.

Much obliged. You may now return to your regularly scheduled hatin'.

**Lord Scythican**

Therion wrote:
That's amusing. Seriously, ROFL. If GW ever released something as slowed as the 'Ork Dreadknight' or the no-legs Dreadknight posted in this thread I would just drop dead in disbelief. The general quality of models is doing nothing else than going up release after release, but if there's really people out there who can keep a straight face and claim the "couldn't take one step without falling" Dreadnought or "the Space Marine has to be the size of a halfling if he can actually fit inside that power/terminator armour" aesthetics are somehow awesome and that the no-leg Dreadknight variant is better than the official model, I finally understand why there's so much hate on perfectly good or even great models. I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malformed retards who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.

You are hating on an aspect of the game that has been here for years? Also, you really think someone isn't going to be offended by your that speech and the use of a few descriptive words in that post? You need to get over it. People like orks and they like looting. Heck probably the main reason why they do it is to piss people like you off.

**overkill76**

Not liking any of the new models unfortunately.

PAGKs have huge helmets/ugly heads and tiny thighs. The teleport antennas also look all shades of stupid.

GK Termies suffer from the same huge helmets and oversized magazines.

Draigo looks like his feet are pointing inwards and his face goes "Duh...". Are those baby skulls on his shield?!

The Dreadknight. Nice model but it just doesn't feel in sync with the established universe.

I really wanted to like them too...

**Lord Scythican**

overkill76 wrote:
PAGKs have huge helmets/ugly heads and tiny thighs. The teleport antennas also look all shades of stupid.

I am thinking those antennas will make great bitz for a Big Mech though!

**Ratius**

All in all the overall release is a bit meh to me. I just cant get passed the whole "another marine based army" albeit with some tricked out rules and a crazy bipedal monstrosity.
From what people are saying they will be able to have several viable builds which a good thing but its more of the same I feel, GW are falling badly into a set routine with marine releases: marines and then add some tricks, thinking outside the box a little more surely wouldnt hurt.

**puma713**

Deadshane1 wrote:... lets take some Charlie Sheen quotes from the past couple of weeks and substitute Grey Knights elements into them.....

Hilarious.

**sourclams**

I wonder if I'll like the Dreadknight more if I assemble the legs retrograde, like bird legs or those on the Madcat or Catapult Battlemech, as opposed to the current simian design.

Looking at the sprue, it should be possible to simply turn the thigh and shin bits around backwards, and armor should cover up any inconsistencies.

That'd drop the overall profile quite a bit, and cut down some on the spindly aesthetic.

It would also open up the front of the mech more, allowing easier modification of the cockpit area to cover over the 'baby carrier' look.

Thots?

**Lord_Osma**

My local GW store got the black box yesterday. Flipped through the codex. Looked great. Only came with Deradknight and either a couple terminators or PAGK, couldn't tell. The codex shows a big range of new models.

**Cerebrium**

Clams, that could work. Would make it look more mobile too.

**Foo**

Incitatus wrote:

Spoiler:

I like what I see!

This is the best thing ever.

**warboss**

for anyone with access to the preview codex... does the brotherhood banner replace a weapon or is it taken in addition to the normal weapons like with other command squads? also, did the dreadknight point cost change from the previous rumors with the now reported downgrade to s6/t6? can it still get the teleporter jump infantry upgrade?

**Albatross**

I pretty much like everything I've seen from this new release. Seriously, to the point that I'm thinking of starting up a GK army.

I even like the Dreadknight. Incidentally, whilst people are photoshopping pics of it, perhaps someone could oblige me by shopping dreadlocks onto the dreadknight? Anyone?

**BrassScorpion**

Only came with Deradknight and either a couple terminators or PAGK, couldn't tell. The codex shows a big range of new models.

It comes with one Terminator sprue and one Dreadknight sprue plus the Codex.

As I posted yesterday:

Black Box already arrived today in at least one of my local GW stores. I had a good look at the Terminator and Dreadknight sprues and the Codex today as well at my local GW store. All very impressive. The Codex is full of cool new stuff and the fine detail, especially the engraved text on the plastic models is nothing short of amazing. Really need to see the stuff up close to appreciate it.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=15900001a

This is the Black Box complete with Grey Knight Terminators, Dreadknight and Codex. They'll be in your local Hobby Centre by the weekend so make sure you're there to drool over them (bring your own tissues). In all seriousness, you really should check out the Codex to see just how many variations there are for this army.

**Target**

Brass, which GW are you going to? I remember you from the MD battle bunker thread, meaning that whereever you went to peak at that black box is near me as well.

I'd love to take a jaunt over after work and read it a bit myself...

**infinite_array**

Hey guys, quick question for anyone who's gotten a look at the new codex.

Can the new PAGK/TAGK take drop pods?

Edit: Can anyone also inform me of the squad sizes for the PAGK? 33 bucks for 5 marines may seems like a lot, but if their squad size only goes up to 5 then I'd be willing to pass over the price.

If so, that settles it. I've got a Vanilla space marine force with a Boltgun/Mechrite red color scheme. All I would need is some troops and I'm good to go.

**BrassScorpion**

targetawg wrote:Brass, which GW are you going to? I remember you from the MD battle bunker thread, meaning that whereever you went to peak at that black box is near me as well. I'd love to take a jaunt over after work and read it a bit myself...

The Jennifer Square GW got their Black Box yesterday, but I would suspect that by today Pasadena GW, Arundel Mills GW, Columbia, Olney, White Marsh GW, etc. probably all will have their Black Boxes if they didn't already get it yesterday.

infinite_array wrote:Hey guys, quick question for anyone who's gotten a look at the new codex. Can the new PAGK/TAGK take drop pods?

The Dedicated Transport page includes only: Razorback, Rhino, Chimera. Land Raiders and Stormravens always take up a Force Org. slot, they may never be taken as Dedicated Transports. I don't recall seeing Drop Pods anywhere in there.

My biggest complaint about the new Codex other than the usual binding quality issues that started with the Dark Elf book when GW first switched to their current binder in China is that there's too much stuff crammed into Heavy Support, making it difficult for those of us who collect a variety of stuff because it looks cool to squeeze a lot of it into a standard game. Like the Eldar Codex, Grey Knights Heavy Support has a lot of cool toys, far too many for standard Force Org.

**Target**

BrassScorpion wrote:
targetawg wrote:Brass, which GW are you going to? I remember you from the MD battle bunker thread, meaning that whereever you went to peak at that black box is near me as well. I'd love to take a jaunt over after work and read it a bit myself...
The Jennifer Square GW got their Black Box yesterday, but I would suspect that by today Pasadena GW, Arundel Mills GW, Columbia, Olney, White Marsh GW, etc. probably all will have their Black Boxes if they didn't already get it yesterday.

Awesome, now i just have to fortify my mind against the barrage of "hey, what army do you play?" followed immediately by "you know what you should buy, xxxx box" as I peruse the book.

Maybe it's just me..but I dread the hard sell that I always get when I walk into local GW's..