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2020/03/27 22:01:40
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Jimbobbyish wrote: I Have been thinking about a wolf lord in phobos armor with the relic stalker boltgun and marksman warlord trait. Is one, strength 6, ap -3, 4 damage shot rerolling hits and wounds worth it or would you rather take eliminators?
I would rather take a Phobos Lord with the Morkai Bolts. Giving your entire army rerolls of 1s to-Wound against a particular target is fantastic and he only needs to hit (35/36 chance) for the effect to kick in.
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I stand between the darkness and the light. Between the candle and the star.
2020/03/28 00:07:38
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Jimbobbyish wrote: I Have been thinking about a wolf lord in phobos armor with the relic stalker boltgun and marksman warlord trait. Is one, strength 6, ap -3, 4 damage shot rerolling hits and wounds worth it or would you rather take eliminators?
I would rather take a Phobos Lord with the Morkai Bolts. Giving your entire army rerolls of 1s to-Wound against a particular target is fantastic and he only needs to hit (35/36 chance) for the effect to kick in.
Marksman Honor doesn't work on Relics.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2020/03/28 02:18:12
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Jimbobbyish wrote: I Have been thinking about a wolf lord in phobos armor with the relic stalker boltgun and marksman warlord trait. Is one, strength 6, ap -3, 4 damage shot rerolling hits and wounds worth it or would you rather take eliminators?
I would rather take a Phobos Lord with the Morkai Bolts. Giving your entire army rerolls of 1s to-Wound against a particular target is fantastic and he only needs to hit (35/36 chance) for the effect to kick in.
Marksman Honor doesn't work on Relics.
well that's a bust
Primaris fanboy: "NO, you can't just give old marines 2W, they're supposed to be squatted!" GW: "Heavy Bolters go brrrrrrrr"
If the argument for their uniqueness is spamming Wulfen and Thunderwolves, then it wasn't really a unique army to begin with whether you like it or not.
Jimbobbyish wrote: I Have been thinking about a wolf lord in phobos armor with the relic stalker boltgun and marksman warlord trait. Is one, strength 6, ap -3, 4 damage shot rerolling hits and wounds worth it or would you rather take eliminators?
I would rather take a Phobos Lord with the Morkai Bolts. Giving your entire army rerolls of 1s to-Wound against a particular target is fantastic and he only needs to hit (35/36 chance) for the effect to kick in.
Marksman Honor doesn't work on Relics.
well that's a bust
Indeed. Sometimes GW thinks they prevent broken stuff from happening, but in reality it wouldn't be broken.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2020/03/28 04:19:30
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Jimbobbyish wrote: I Have been thinking about a wolf lord in phobos armor with the relic stalker boltgun and marksman warlord trait. Is one, strength 6, ap -3, 4 damage shot rerolling hits and wounds worth it or would you rather take eliminators?
I would rather take a Phobos Lord with the Morkai Bolts. Giving your entire army rerolls of 1s to-Wound against a particular target is fantastic and he only needs to hit (35/36 chance) for the effect to kick in.
Marksman Honor doesn't work on Relics.
well that's a bust
Indeed. Sometimes GW thinks they prevent broken stuff from happening, but in reality it wouldn't be broken.
You don't need the relic rifle or the WLT. You just need the Morkai Bolts and the Phobos Lord's innate reroll. The Morkai bolts provide a buff to potentially the entire rest of the army all by themselves.
I stand between the darkness and the light. Between the candle and the star.
2020/04/01 13:11:10
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
I'm pretty pissed that they again messed up the points:
- inconsistent costing of Wolf Guard Pack Leaders
- jump packs for Wulf Guard cost 5 instead of the usual 3
- sky claws too expensive
- 70 points for a Land Speeder? seriously?
2020/04/02 00:47:36
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
I am annoyed they left ulrik the same, he doesnt get litanies like everyone else? Sure his rules are a bit different but he is a wolf priest, he should be treated as such. :p
2020/04/02 10:27:10
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Azuza001 wrote: I am annoyed they left ulrik the same, he doesnt get litanies like everyone else? Sure his rules are a bit different but he is a wolf priest, he should be treated as such. :p
I am pretty sure Ulrik will get an updated datasheet in the FAQ to include litanies. I suspect the only reason that they haven't published it already is due to the CV lockdown.
If you look at other "master" chaplains in other armies, they get to choose an additional litany and can chant 2 litanies per turn. I think most people would be happy with Ulrik being fielded with those house-rules until the proper sheet comes out. It's not like there are any tournies to worry about at the moment. :(
I stand between the darkness and the light. Between the candle and the star.
2020/04/02 19:56:11
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Azuza001 wrote: I am annoyed they left ulrik the same, he doesnt get litanies like everyone else? Sure his rules are a bit different but he is a wolf priest, he should be treated as such. :p
I am pretty sure Ulrik will get an updated datasheet in the FAQ to include litanies. I suspect the only reason that they haven't published it already is due to the CV lockdown.
If you look at other "master" chaplains in other armies, they get to choose an additional litany and can chant 2 litanies per turn. I think most people would be happy with Ulrik being fielded with those house-rules until the proper sheet comes out. It's not like there are any tournies to worry about at the moment. :(
It strikes me as incredibly lazy or neglectful that they didn't include that in the book itself or at least release an update online on the day of release.
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2020/04/02 19:58:53
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Azuza001 wrote: I am annoyed they left ulrik the same, he doesnt get litanies like everyone else? Sure his rules are a bit different but he is a wolf priest, he should be treated as such. :p
I am pretty sure Ulrik will get an updated datasheet in the FAQ to include litanies. I suspect the only reason that they haven't published it already is due to the CV lockdown.
If you look at other "master" chaplains in other armies, they get to choose an additional litany and can chant 2 litanies per turn. I think most people would be happy with Ulrik being fielded with those house-rules until the proper sheet comes out. It's not like there are any tournies to worry about at the moment. :(
It strikes me as incredibly lazy or neglectful that they didn't include that in the book itself or at least release an update online on the day of release.
as noted, it's almost certainly a mistake the and GLOBAL PANDEMIC may be hurting their response time
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2020/04/02 21:17:52
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Yes, in the grand scheme of things it's a silly thing to complain about. I do find it funny however that every PA book so far has had a seriously silly mistake in it (like forgetting to put point values on their units they add to the book?)
I am not to concerned I just find annoying, I was looking forward to rocking Ulrik with the new stuff but I can wait another bit of time.
2020/04/02 21:50:39
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Azuza001 wrote: I am annoyed they left ulrik the same, he doesnt get litanies like everyone else? Sure his rules are a bit different but he is a wolf priest, he should be treated as such. :p
I am pretty sure Ulrik will get an updated datasheet in the FAQ to include litanies. I suspect the only reason that they haven't published it already is due to the CV lockdown.
If you look at other "master" chaplains in other armies, they get to choose an additional litany and can chant 2 litanies per turn. I think most people would be happy with Ulrik being fielded with those house-rules until the proper sheet comes out. It's not like there are any tournies to worry about at the moment. :(
It strikes me as incredibly lazy or neglectful that they didn't include that in the book itself or at least release an update online on the day of release.
as noted, it's almost certainly a mistake the and GLOBAL PANDEMIC may be hurting their response time
A global pandemic isn't an excuse for incompetence that was happening without the pandemic. The pandemic isn't the cause of this, people not caring is.
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2020/04/03 01:47:20
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Justyn wrote: I would guess his data sheet wasn't in the book because people would have complained he wasn't Primarisized with a new figure.
The other PA books have included new Datasheets for special character chaplains, even if they are not Primaris. This is to give Characters like Lemartes and Astorath access to Litanies.
I stand between the darkness and the light. Between the candle and the star.
2020/04/03 10:19:47
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Azuza001 wrote: I am annoyed they left ulrik the same, he doesnt get litanies like everyone else? Sure his rules are a bit different but he is a wolf priest, he should be treated as such. :p
I am pretty sure Ulrik will get an updated datasheet in the FAQ to include litanies. I suspect the only reason that they haven't published it already is due to the CV lockdown.
If you look at other "master" chaplains in other armies, they get to choose an additional litany and can chant 2 litanies per turn. I think most people would be happy with Ulrik being fielded with those house-rules until the proper sheet comes out. It's not like there are any tournies to worry about at the moment. :(
It strikes me as incredibly lazy or neglectful that they didn't include that in the book itself or at least release an update online on the day of release.
as noted, it's almost certainly a mistake the and GLOBAL PANDEMIC may be hurting their response time
A global pandemic isn't an excuse for incompetence that was happening without the pandemic. The pandemic isn't the cause of this, people not caring is.
.. I thought it was obvious that my comment about their response time was in answer to your comment that they didn't p[ut an online update on the day of release.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2020/04/03 13:02:59
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
so I have been running a battalion with 3 Min grey hunter squads (plasma, combi-plasma) in 3 razorbacks with AC at its core, this has a heavy focus on shooting. It's a staple in most of my lists,
Now would it be crazy to swing it to the other extreme? Say 2 battalions with 6 Min blood claws squads in 3 rhinos. I got this Idea when I was thinking about using 2 Min wulfen (4 th/ss) squads with a max unit of TWC (6 frost swords/ss). the plan is to rush everything up the field at ounce. wulfen will lag behind but the give a 12" aura for blood claws. Is it susceptible to shooting, yes. will my opponent have enough to get through 3 multi wound units with 3++ and 3 rhinos, maybe but they sure as hell will be sweating bullets.
Primaris fanboy: "NO, you can't just give old marines 2W, they're supposed to be squatted!" GW: "Heavy Bolters go brrrrrrrr"
If the argument for their uniqueness is spamming Wulfen and Thunderwolves, then it wasn't really a unique army to begin with whether you like it or not.
Azuza001 wrote: Yeah, the pandemic is delaying all fixes and stuff at this point. Nothing to worry about honestly.
yup, don't expect a FAQ for.. proably 2-3 months.
I mean it's not really a big deal TBH. with social distancing going on the only 40k you should be getting is finally convincing your dad, mom, little brother, little sister, older brother, older sister, room mate etc, to give the game a try with you.
(.. my dad lasted half a game before he decided it was "too confusing" for him)
and in that kinda enviroment, house ruling is simple eneugh.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2020/04/06 15:04:53
Subject: Re:For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
I got 2 games in over the weekend with my wolves (advantages of having someone who plays live with you I guess lol), 1st vs imperial guard (steel legion) and 2nd vs Custodies.
1st game was a slaughter. I dont have my exact list but it basically was 2 batallions and looked like this.
Bjorn w/ twin lazy cannons
Ragnar
Wolf lord on thunderwolf with storm shield, thunder hammer, saga of the wolfkin, wolfenstone.
Wolf guard battle leader on thunderwolf with companions blade, storm shield
Iron priest w/ tempest hammer
Njal in term armor with stormcaller, jaws of worldwolf, fury of the wolf spirits
3 venerable dreads w/ axe and shield
Murderfang
Redemptor with plasma cannon and onslaught gatling
4 x 5 man grey hunter with bolt guns, bolt pistols, chain swords
2x 10 man grey hunter with 2 plasma guns, plasma pistol, wolf guard battle leader with combi plasma, all with chainswords.
Spoiler:
Vs an imperial steel legion of armageddon. Bud had 7 chimeras with flamers, a Russ with the vindicator cannon on it, 3 bassilisks, a ton of infanry (each squad had a missile launcher and a grenade launcher, think he had 7 squads?), 3 heavy weapons teams, 2 with heavy bolters and 1 with las cannons.
We were playing eternal war from 2019 chapter approved, the first mission where each objective on the table was a vp at the end of your turn.
Deployment I outflanked the 2 large grey hunter squads and ragnar.
I went first, advanced the venerable dreads, murderfang, and njal up towards the center of the table. Small hunter squads held onto backfield objectives. Bjorn and the redempter stood still and held the center of my deployment zone. Njal successfully cast stormcaller and I spent the cp for -1 to hit bubble. The ven dreads then popped smoke making them -2 to hit. Bjorn and the redeptor killed a basilisk, my grey hunters killed a few snipers but most of his troops were in chimeras so I couldn't really get any easy targets.
His turn he got some guys out of a few chimeras, moved the rest forward and fired into me with what he had. He managed to drop 1 venerable to 6 wounds left, a 2nd to 6, drop the redemptor to 8 (I used the strat for -1 dmg and the redemptor was getting -1 from njal), and killed a squad of grey hunters.
My t2 I moved forward again with dreads, repaired my redemptor up to 11 wounds, but left the outflanks still off the table. He had covered his back field pretty well. Powers njal had moved to grab an objective the hunters I lost were holding so I did jaws of the wolf and smite, ended up killing 6 guardsmen (yawn.... lol), then I unleashed bjorn and redemptor again. This time they dropped a 2nd basilisk to 6 wounds left. But as everything moved up I charged with the majority of my force. One venerable ended up in cc with a chimera, a 2nd one was fighting guardsmen, 3rd made it into cc with a sentinel, my wolf lord made it into combat with a chimera, and murderfang made it into combat with his russ (though I did lose 5 wounds to overwatch, poor murderfang).
I popped the strat from the new book for chrs to generate additional attacks on a 4+ on murderfang. It was incredible overkill, I ended up doing 24 total wounds to the russ after everything was said and done. That strat seems very overpowered for its cost, 1cp for basically a 50% increase in combat effectiveness is nuts. The others all killed their targets easily.
His t2 he tried to hold his ground, all the guardsmen were piling out of their tanks, everyone was backing off so that things could get targeted, and he managed to finish off murder fang, drop a venerable to 3 and another to 2 and drop the repulser to 7 wounds. The biggest issue he was having was I had cut his army in half and the guns he wanted to use couldn't focus fire down a single target.
My turn 3 I was behind by 2vp. Ragnar and friends finally showed up. I had to separate the 2 10 man squads because there wasn't enough room in his back field to get them all, so 10 were with ragnar in the back and 10 deployed on the other side near sike chimeras heading for njal. They killed the the damaged basilisk with overcharged plasma, then the other squad killed a chimera with overcharged plasma but 3 of my guns over heated in that squad so lol.... bjorn and redemptor dropped the final basilisk to 1 wound, charges happened with the squad with ragnar making an 11" charge thanks to his reroll into a company commander, my wolf lord made it in with his warlord, and each ven dread was in combat with guard squads. Even the wolf guard battle leader got in vs a sentinel.
I popped the strat on the wolf lord and he killed his company commander warlord but dead (again massive overkill). The 10 man utterly ruined the commanders day. Dreads were wiping squads out left and right, and we called it because at this point he was down to about 35% of his army and had lost every anti tank gun he had except for that 1 wound basilisk which wasn't going to be around much longer.
What I learned from that game was that Strat seems really overpowering. I cant see them leaving that at 1cp. Unfortunately I didnt get a chance in that game to really see how some of the new stuff worked.
Spoiler:
Game 2 vs custodies is harder to explain. We were playing mission 4 from chapter approved, the new beachhead mission.
He was playing pure custodies. I dont know custodies models very well off the top of my head but this is what I remember.
He had a land raider, 3 shield captains on bikes, 2 regular shield captains, 4 squads of 3 infanty, a banner bearer with -1 to hit and a relic that gave them the on a 4+ shoot / swing ability, and a squad of deep striking terms.
My list was very different, I went with a deployment phase reactionary force.
Wolf lord on thunderwolf with storm shield and thunder hammer. Relic wolfstone and wolfkin saga.
Wolf guard battle leader with companions blade and storm shield.
Ragnar
Krom
5 wolf guard terms with storm shields and storm bolters.
2x 10 man grey hunters, max plasma again.
4x 5 man grey hunters, bolt gun and chainswords
2x bloodclaws, srg had powerfists
2 x 3 man thunderwolf cav with storm shields and chainswords
2 x 6 man longfang packs, each with a battle leader with storm shield and 4 missile launchers
2 drop pods.
The idea behind my list was I could try and dictate what was going on bases on what my opponent brought and who was going first. I deployed 2and so I ended up putting 1 longfang squad in 1 drop pod, the 2 blood claw squads in the 2nd pod, krom outflanked with the 2 big plasma teams, the thunderwolves set up as close to the 2 center objectives as they could, and ragnar, the terms, and the wolford / wolf guard battle leader set up behind them.
I am not going to go into as much detail on this game, but things I found out....
10 man grey hunters in combat with custodies regular guys can do serious dmg in cc at the assault doctrine.
Hell just getting to the assault doctrine is so good with wolves now. Exploding 6's is really good.
Ragnar made it into combat this game on t2. So I popped the strat for more attacks, swung vs a dawn eagle bike at full health, and killed it dead. Unfortunately this left ragnar out in the middle of the field where his chr special rule couldn't help him and he got blown away directly after that lol.
The free cp when you kill a chr is soooooo nice. I found I was making sure that there was always a chr around for me to charge.
The wolf lord on thunderwolf with doctines and the new strat is so good it's crazy. 7 attacks with the hammer hitting on 2's rolling 1's at str 8 ap-4 flat 3 with 4+ giving an additional attack and 6's giving 2? He was a one man wrecking crew, got knocked down to 2 wounds but he killed so many custodians it was epic.
Even normal thunderwolf calv becomes quite good once you hit the assault doctrine. And being able to do 2dmg with the wolves if needed is quite helpful.
So those are what I have learned so far. I am really digging the new stuff, it doesnt put us in top competitive form but it does give us enough tricks and toys that making a list with everything we have now is hard to choose.....
2020/04/07 09:16:06
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Ragnar69 wrote: We have a new book and lots of time due to Corona lockdown and still hardly any new posts here?
I think this clearly shows that the book slightly improved our current tactics but didn't really create new ones.
We have a lot of time to build and paint yes Playing games? Not so much because most people don't want to meet IRL just to play a game right now. So unless you have a housemate/partner/child to play with most people won't be able to play for a while.
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2020/04/07 10:16:23
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Ragnar69 wrote: We have a new book and lots of time due to Corona lockdown and still hardly any new posts here?
I think this clearly shows that the book slightly improved our current tactics but didn't really create new ones.
We have a lot of time to build and paint yes Playing games? Not so much because most people don't want to meet IRL just to play a game right now. So unless you have a housemate/partner/child to play with most people won't be able to play for a while.
You can play online with things like tabletop sim or follow GW's advice and use webcams.
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2020/04/07 14:29:24
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
There are only a few new things the book really gives us uniquely to us that make much of a difference vs normal marines. It doesnt make us as strong as ravenguard or iron hands but we can be a contender now. The big issues are still the same ones, wolves dont do alpha strikes well, they are firmly in the turn 2/3 assault group.
Having said that man oh man do those doctines help. With the turn two outflank of grey hunters in mass, plasma at ap-4 and bolters at ap-1 double tap, then getting into combat with so many attacks in the assault doctrine with ap-1 and free chainswords.... man oh man can our basic infantry hurt even in small numbers.
2020/04/07 17:49:24
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
I don’t have any thunderwolf cavalry currently but I’m tempted to buy a couple boxes now. With storm shields and chainswords they’re only a few more points than TH/SS wulfen, but can potentiallly put out a ton of mortal wounds using crushing assault and vicious executioners. Plus they seem like they’d be a tough distraction carnifex.
Has anyone had a chance to use them since the new rules dropped?
2020/04/08 08:05:42
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Haven’t used them, but am also intrigued about them, current thought is that they’ve certainly become better and aside from the upper 10% of competitive lists something to look at most times you build a list. At the higher level they’re still a train wreck due to the limitations of the Calvary keyword/ no flying
2020/04/08 12:15:47
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
Atlatl Jones wrote: I don’t have any thunderwolf cavalry currently but I’m tempted to buy a couple boxes now. With storm shields and chainswords they’re only a few more points than TH/SS wulfen, but can potentiallly put out a ton of mortal wounds using crushing assault and vicious executioners. Plus they seem like they’d be a tough distraction carnifex.
Has anyone had a chance to use them since the new rules dropped?
I guess it depends on the terrain. My meta with lots of ruins, mostly multi-level, really hurt everything without the infantry or fly key words. Ruins usually have only on one or two sides openings large enough for the TWC to enter, the walls are too high to move over and they can't go upstairs. This makes ruins basically impassable for TWC.
2020/04/08 20:33:22
Subject: For Russ and the Allfather! Space Wolves Tactica: (Codex Edition)
I used 2 squads of 3 vs custodies. I only got 2 into cc with a 3 man custodies guard squad (2 spears and 1 storm shield and sword vs my chainsword / storm shield wolves). Since I was charging I got to swing first and thanks to the shear number of attacks I killed 2 of them then survived the brunt of their attack back. Ended up killing them the next turn once I hit turn 3 assault doctrine. The mortal wounds is what caused enough dmg to kill them so yeah, they are a threat if you have the cp. After turn 3 though I only had 1cp a turn (thanks to the free cp for killing a chr in cc) and that was spent on the generate free hits on a 4+ strat for my wolf lord.
I think they need to be a single large group of 6 now to really make use of the strats.
nervous sweating 
Playing games? Not so much because most people don't want to meet 