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 schoon wrote:
GW/FW have not done themselves any favors with the static pose on this.

IMO, this union of Warhound and Warbringer needs some better feet, slightly longer neck, and some arms that have a little more oomph.

That Neutron Laser sounds like a "Duh!" pick - perhaps a little over powered.


Ya, this is again why the game is going downhill for me, we went from platforms and systems where we define the role based on weapons loadouts to like models with 2 options and 1 is the auto take... great. A game with the promise of endless modularity and customization and we get a new titan with 2 weapon options, and one is like you're saying, the obvious duh pick me one.

I don't really understand either why it's "heavier" if it's basically a sniper/hunter. You'd think it'd be more towards lighter and scale 5. It's also odd how it's still scale 6, you'd think it'd be scale to at least fill that gap. I just don't really want more titans if they're all going to be skirting the conventions of earlier titans and no longer being plastic kits. It really does seem like the rumours of them ending AT this year are more and more likely if they're just going to phone it in like this.


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Iracundus wrote:
I think it a bit much for the neutron laser to have both Bypass and Shock. No skill involved and just point and poke at the biggest enemy to shut them down. I would drop the Bypass so that it would still require dropping target shields first.


Well at least it has to push the reactor, but I agree with you it's a bit too much like the acastus/asterius level point and click. Add to the fact that they didn't make it corridor arc even though it's clearly quite hull mounted. Really hoping it's an aux titan and they don't do a bunch of silly maniples with it.

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 Albertorius wrote:
...well, that kinda looks like a crappy conversion, TBH.


My first thought was it was a kitbash.

Honestly for me the whole idea of 10 story tall "scout" titan (especially when skimmers and fliers and orbital auguries exist) is already a bit wonky, and a heavy scout is just weird. I know that in this context it just means fast, a destroyer or torpedo boat vs a battleship, but still.

And the Tonka truck head is not helping.

 
   
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The neutron laser at least is a single shot without blast.

I quite like the look. The head and neck are basically stock warhound, just the carapace plating is more cut back. The arms are lighter, and the two rear reactor/shield blocks are oriented more vertically that horizontally on the warhound to give space for the carapace mount without making the main hull much wider.

The legs trade away the agile warhound style, losing the extra joint and widespread and flexible ankles and toes for a more robust layout to better brace the oversized carapace mount.

I hope fw makes this in 40k scale as well as for AT. They have been really neglecting the full size titan range for a while now since the belicosa for the warbringer.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
The legs trade away the agile warhound style, losing the extra joint and widespread and flexible ankles and toes for a more robust layout to better brace the oversized carapace mount.


Funnily enough, in the pic the feet being parallel to the recoil of the carapace gun makes it like it will topple over whenever it shoots ^^

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The neutron laser makes me wish it was an option for Reavers.
But yeah a one-shot draining weapon with relatively low strength that needs to punch through armour for the best chance of activating its true utility? For 45 points? Not actually that egregious. Maybe it could stand to be Specialist too? The fire arc is definitely a bit off, though I guess it could represent torso twisting as the battlemech people call it?

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My brain is struggling to figure out how this thing balances and walks. Isn't it missing a joint? It's got bird-like legs, but with the femur/thigh missing. It probably works and my brain is just too feeble, lol, but it looks weird, like if it became unbalanced it wouldn't be able to right itself.
   
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I think it kind of has a shuffling motion; though I think also its upper joints are partly hidden. It's kind of in a "pause, lower down, fire" kind of position.

I do agree the long shins do make you wonder how effective and mobile it is.

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I don't like the direwolf. As others have pointed out the parallel feet make it look like it will topple from recoil and the overall design looks much more squat than the warhound.

To my mind a good GW alternative would be the Mechanicum vorax. They've got the right type of weapons and placement (chaingun arms and energy weapon in a dorsal mount), they appear to be the right size bracket, you'd just need to give them appropriate iconography and re-scale some of the details. I'm sure they'll be cheaper too.
   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
The neutron laser makes me wish it was an option for Reavers.
But yeah a one-shot draining weapon with relatively low strength that needs to punch through armour for the best chance of activating its true utility? For 45 points? Not actually that egregious. Maybe it could stand to be Specialist too? The fire arc is definitely a bit off, though I guess it could represent torso twisting as the battlemech people call it?


The +1 to hit at under 30 inches is big, bypass is huge given the range. Arc is silly good for first fire.




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The Black Adder wrote:
I don't like the direwolf. As others have pointed out the parallel feet make it look like it will topple from recoil and the overall design looks much more squat than the warhound.

To my mind a good GW alternative would be the Mechanicum vorax. They've got the right type of weapons and placement (chaingun arms and energy weapon in a dorsal mount), they appear to be the right size bracket, you'd just need to give them appropriate iconography and re-scale some of the details. I'm sure they'll be cheaper too.


Vorax is much smaller, would have to use a lot terrain on the base to get the height right. Wysiwyg is good, just might looks a big scrawny on an 80mm next to a warhound.

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luckily the main weapon is a laser so no need to worry about recoil

 
   
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depends on how strong the laser is

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The Black Adder wrote:
I don't like the direwolf. As others have pointed out the parallel feet make it look like it will topple from recoil and the overall design looks much more squat than the warhound.

To my mind a good GW alternative would be the Mechanicum vorax. They've got the right type of weapons and placement (chaingun arms and energy weapon in a dorsal mount), they appear to be the right size bracket, you'd just need to give them appropriate iconography and re-scale some of the details. I'm sure they'll be cheaper too.


I think it’s just the feets putting me off. And possibly the static leg positioning.

However, as a mobile artillery platform (that’s how I see it) the static pose does make sense, as it’s locked for firing.

The feets just look too skinny from the angle we’ve seen.

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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:luckily the main weapon is a laser so no need to worry about recoil


kodos wrote:depends on how strong the laser is


The problem with the Neutron Laser is that neutrons are particles with rest mass and way more momentum than a photon. On the face of it a laser made of neutrons is a contradiction in terms but I guess the laser could be the carrier/accelerator (chargeless particles are difficult to move with magnets) but either way you’re going to get substantially more recoil unless you aren’t really using enough neutrons to do damage, in which case what was the point of adding them?

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 Crablezworth wrote:
I don't really understand either why it's "heavier" if it's basically a sniper/hunter. You'd think it'd be more towards lighter and scale 5. It's also odd how it's still scale 6, you'd think it'd be scale to at least fill that gap. I just don't really want more titans if they're all going to be skirting the conventions of earlier titans and no longer being plastic kits. It really does seem like the rumours of them ending AT this year are more and more likely if they're just going to phone it in like this.


So we've gotten plastic kits for the main 3, plus all the 'tweener Titans released so far. I think we can expect that to continue, it's just that this one was viewed as more of a variant than a core Titan kit. We know that SG gets a limited amount of plastics capacity, so I think this bodes well for a new plastic kit for one of the remaining tweeners sometime this year. I suspect they just didn't want to spend those chips on *this* kit. As we've seen with Knights, resin is something they do for low-hanging fruit opportunities and a quick turnaround.

FYI, I recently got a Psi-Titan after they finally came back in stock. Here's the kicker though...the slip in the FW box containing the resin parts was dated May 2021. So *apparently* it wasn't the resin parts they were waiting for...those had been completed for months. Either they were waiting to be allocated more WL kits, or they were waiting on the card components. Could go either way, although I thought the point of the thinner terminals was because they can source them locally. The point is that resin lets them be nimble. Although they can't knock out the same volume with resin as with plastic, they can be cranking it out while the machines are busy on whatever the big kits are for 40K and AoS.

Regarding roles and scales, it seems very obvious that the Rapier will fill the scale 5 slot and role, and making this one scale 7 makes no sense because then it's denied to Legio Audax. And I think the designers very clearly had Audax in mind for this one, although obviously not exclusively so.


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I've either loved or been indifferent to pretty much anything and everything GW has done for the past half decade.

But that heavy Warhound is hot garbage. It just looks out of place, clunky and awful. I thought the Warbringer had slightly odd looking proportions, but I didn't mind because the point of that titan was to sort of fill a gap between your sort of mid-level to heavy titan, designed as a way of getting a bigger weapon on a slightly smaller carapace; that's fine, and while I wasn't a fan of it personally, it at least fit aesthetically. This, though... What were they thinking?
   
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Indifference is the worst thing a company can do. If you love it or hate it at least you still have a opinion on it and will discuss it. But indifference is just meh and this is Meh.

I am a titan nut. I've loved titans since OG Adeptus Titanticus and Codex Titanticus days, but this is meh.

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The Psi titan delay was due to the warlord kit.

My first one had the OG warlord which was annoying but they didnt have the plasma / claw version.

Hopefully sorted now in terms of kit supply
   
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I doubt it's going to be too much of a game changer in the bigger picture, given you must hit, ought to pierce armour and manage to roll to activate the Shock, so for a single shot weapon you are looking at chances somewhat below 50 % per activation to actually do your thing. For a machine that will probably end up at like ~250 points, that is useful and interesting in a synergistic setup but not something you can always rely on to wreck shop like you'd do with existing superweapons like the Sinistramanus Tenebrae. As for its longevity, Draining on a most likely Warhoundish reactor will be a wild ride.

I wait for further information with curious optimism.

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 Sherrypie wrote:
I doubt it's going to be too much of a game changer in the bigger picture, given you must hit, ought to pierce armour and manage to roll to activate the Shock, so for a single shot weapon you are looking at chances somewhat below 50 % per activation to actually do your thing. For a machine that will probably end up at like ~250 points, that is useful and interesting in a synergistic setup but not something you can always rely on to wreck shop like you'd do with existing superweapons like the Sinistramanus Tenebrae. As for its longevity, Draining on a most likely Warhoundish reactor will be a wild ride.


Those are my feelings as well. There are controls built in. And I feel like this Titan may be less compelling for those with access to larger Titans than Audax players like me. Players with Warlords and Reavers don't lack access to volcano cannons, and the neutron laser is very specialized and not point and click like the ST as you said. If the neutron laser lost Bypass, I don't know that it'd be viable.


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It’s the fear of it though.

Imagine your Warlord on shutdown orders turn 1. Sure, it’s far from a guaranteed situation for your opponent - but it’s also not a long shot in terms of odds.

If my opponent has one of these, that’s going to affect my movement and even deployment. That in itself has a value unto itself.

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Sure, it's a distraction Carnifex of sorts. Which is why you outflank it, I think.

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Not a fan at all; nothing I really like about the model unfortunately.

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The more I look at it, and think about the work required to fix it, the less I like it (and I never really liked it liked it). I won't be buying it to convert it up, just gonna wait for whatever is next , assuming that resin Dominus from FW is next, so whatever comes after that is my next opportunity to get excited about AT.
   
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 Crablezworth wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:
I don't like the direwolf. As others have pointed out the parallel feet make it look like it will topple from recoil and the overall design looks much more squat than the warhound.

To my mind a good GW alternative would be the Mechanicum vorax. They've got the right type of weapons and placement (chaingun arms and energy weapon in a dorsal mount), they appear to be the right size bracket, you'd just need to give them appropriate iconography and re-scale some of the details. I'm sure they'll be cheaper too.


Vorax is much smaller, would have to use a lot terrain on the base to get the height right. Wysiwyg is good, just might looks a big scrawny on an 80mm next to a warhound.


Ah that's a shame if there's a big size issue. I tried looking for some comparison shots but I couldn't find one. Does anybody have any measurements for the vorax or a side by side with a warhound that they could post?
   
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The Black Adder wrote:
 Crablezworth wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:
I don't like the direwolf. As others have pointed out the parallel feet make it look like it will topple from recoil and the overall design looks much more squat than the warhound.

To my mind a good GW alternative would be the Mechanicum vorax. They've got the right type of weapons and placement (chaingun arms and energy weapon in a dorsal mount), they appear to be the right size bracket, you'd just need to give them appropriate iconography and re-scale some of the details. I'm sure they'll be cheaper too.


Vorax is much smaller, would have to use a lot terrain on the base to get the height right. Wysiwyg is good, just might looks a big scrawny on an 80mm next to a warhound.


Ah that's a shame if there's a big size issue. I tried looking for some comparison shots but I couldn't find one. Does anybody have any measurements for the vorax or a side by side with a warhound that they could post?


It's about 20% smaller than the hound in terms of height, they're usually on 50-60mm sized bases, they look a bit small on an 80mm BUT I think if you do some cork or a big base topper/lots of terrain to give it height it should be ok, just skinny ish.

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JWBS wrote:
assuming that resin Dominus from FW is next


I know my hope is misplaced, but god I hope it's plastic...
   
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Nobody want to pay 60$ for a bent resin volcano lance.
   
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So it's basically 2 kits, 1 with volcano and 1 with neutron, there's maybe a hope in hell the arm weapons will be different in each. Past that though, it being forgeworld, very little chance of optional weapons.

The other issue is, it being the first resin titan, are they at least going to come with some loyalist/traitor specific bits? (dare I get my hopes up) My guess is no, I want to be wrong though. Either way I don't know if some second head option we haven't seen or some bits would fix the ugly duckling,




I decided to make my own count as "dire wolf", here's hoping it's actually on an 80mm




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That looks really great, think better than the official mini. Love the crew on board as well!

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 Pacific wrote:
I quite like the dire wolf, not a bad design.

Although has anyone commented yet how similar it looks to the Dire Wolf in Battletech/Mech Warrior?

 Stormonu wrote:
Eh. My favorite look for the Warhound is still this one:
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There is a really cool resin parts maker (sadly, I forget the name) who does a conversion kit for the new plastic warhound, so you can have that domed body, or even the weapons angled at 90 degrees. Looks very cool, I shall try and fish out the name.

It's Adeptus Dad. I think he may have sold the design to BB. There's other none BB stuff on his site though https://adeptus-dad.github.io/


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