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So, the Space Wolves got depleted heavily when Magus attacked, and the Blood Angels just had their collective asses handed to them... all just in time to get new minatures reinforcements that replace the old miniatures casualties. How convenient!

And you can just get out anywhere on a transport?

*looks at Eldar Falcon*

So as long as my Banshees are within 3" of those front prongs, they're good to go?

Lord Kragan wrote:
Interestingly. People were right, there's smaller SH detachments with no benefits. Hell, there's a detachment that DEDUCES COMMAND POINTS!

This is the right way to do FOC manipulation. The old system of "Give up X to gain Y" never worked because if you were never going to use X then you were essentially gaining Y for no drawback. This is you spending a resource (Command Points) to take extra types of units.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*looks at Eldar Falcon*

So as long as my Banshees are within 3" of those front prongs, they're good to go?

I believe so yes. Much like 3rd edition before the trial vehicle rules (it was 2" back then and you could still disembark after the vehicle moved).
Everything old is new again.


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The rules may be simple but there's an entire gulf of differences to take in. For instance, I just realized you can charge after firing rapid fire and heavy weapons.
This makes me more hopeful that storm bolters will finally be rapid fire 2.

You don't need storm bolters to be rapid fire - assault weapons can be fired AFTER you advance.....

davethepak wrote:
You don't need storm bolters to be rapid fire - assault weapons can be fired AFTER you advance.....

But without a special rule like genestealers, you can't advance and charge.

Tactical terminators popping 4 shots each then charging with powerfists that swing first - maybe a worthwhile pick finally.

Has anyone picked up that there's no restriction from shooting at one unit (or many) then charging a unit that wasn't even a shooting target?

Tyran wrote:

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.

Or the James Swallow rubbish

Here is a newly released pic of the 5 chapter masters on Baal before their demise at the hands of the nids

That's clearly a Lord of Change.

 Grimskul wrote:
Looks like the Blood Angels got BAAL'ed out of their predicament.

>.>

I'll let myself out.

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Have an Exalt!

 MangoMadness wrote:

Tyran wrote:

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.

Or the James Swallow rubbish

Here is a newly released pic of the 5 chapter masters on Baal before their demise at the hands of the nids

Spoiler:

I consistently see the failure to associate the butt-kicking of a faction with the sheer power or strength of the opposing faction as a sort of really dumb bandwagon that people jump on to seem cool - like the "old fluff vs new fluff" myth and the Matt Ward hate-train.
In the Shield of Baal campaign, Dante specifically states that the losses incurres by the hive fleet were only a set back, and they wouldn't be able to hold the back. Not sure what kind of battle you were waiting for, but it was the wrong one.
Tldr; in my humble opinion, some of the members of this forum need to get over yourselves. You're letting herd mentality get in the way of your enjoyment.

So the Blood Angels are cooked, Ultramarines are doing fine. Wonder what will happen to the dark angels and other chapters...

The leaked fluff bit didn't strike me as too bad, i've seen far worse from GW. I do like me a tragic epic struggle...but there isn't enough info for me to judge 100% yet. I'm just glad Sanguinius didn't save the day....bringing him back would cheapen his sacrifice and the whole conclusion of the heresy on the battleship.

Rules-wise...now that i've seen the rules for the interceptors I like them a lot more. Unfortunately my birthday is on june 8th and i'm not sure i'll be able to take advantage of it considering the new edition drops later...and less than 3 days before jury duty starts....oh the pain.

I like the new get's hot change. Makes plasma a lot more reliable base, or you can overcharge it but it is a lot riskier (same with tau ion weapons). Interesting though is that gets hot now ignores armor and invul from the sounds of it. maybe even FNP, since it is "slain" instead of wounded.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I like the new get's hot change. Makes plasma a lot more reliable base, or you can overcharge it but it is a lot riskier (same with tau ion weapons). Interesting though is that gets hot now ignores armor and invul from the sounds of it. maybe even FNP, since it is "slain" instead of wounded.

Ah but what if that is only for the newly built primaris weaponry? Cawl managed to solve the overheating problem a little for them but it has not been run out to everyone else. Until we see other plasma weapons I wouldnt guarantee that.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Can you not see the two power cells blobs right next to the handle who are IDENTICAL to the ones on tau plasma rifles, that no imperial weapon ever had?

Fezza213 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I like the new get's hot change. Makes plasma a lot more reliable base, or you can overcharge it but it is a lot riskier (same with tau ion weapons). Interesting though is that gets hot now ignores armor and invul from the sounds of it. maybe even FNP, since it is "slain" instead of wounded.

Ah but what if that is only for the newly built primaris weaponry? Cawl managed to solve the overheating problem a little for them but it has not been run out to everyone else. Until we see other plasma weapons I wouldnt guarantee that.

That's what I am afraid of. And if regular Plasmaguns can't do the overcharge of a Plasma Incinerator, I won't be taking them. Without the ability to save against the Gets Hot, I am just not seeing how they are worth even one point.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Fezza213 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I like the new get's hot change. Makes plasma a lot more reliable base, or you can overcharge it but it is a lot riskier (same with tau ion weapons). Interesting though is that gets hot now ignores armor and invul from the sounds of it. maybe even FNP, since it is "slain" instead of wounded.

Ah but what if that is only for the newly built primaris weaponry? Cawl managed to solve the overheating problem a little for them but it has not been run out to everyone else. Until we see other plasma weapons I wouldnt guarantee that.

That's what I am afraid of. And if regular Plasmaguns can't do the overcharge of a Plasma Incinerator, I won't be taking them. Without the ability to save against the Gets Hot, I am just not seeing how they are worth even one point.

Bolt Rifles are +6" and -1 AP compared to Bolters, so it makes sense that Plasma Incinerators are the same compared to plasma, which would put Plasma at 24" RF1 S7 AP -3 D1 with the overcharge ability.

Do we have any word yet about storm bolters? How good they are is gonna make or break Tactical Terminators.

Neronoxx wrote:

 MangoMadness wrote:

Tyran wrote:

It is incredibly disappointing, but it is nowhere as offensive as the Grey Knights slaughtering SoB to use their blood against Chaos, or anything written by C.S. Goto.

Or the James Swallow rubbish

Here is a newly released pic of the 5 chapter masters on Baal before their demise at the hands of the nids

Spoiler:

I consistently see the failure to associate the butt-kicking of a faction with the sheer power or strength of the opposing faction as a sort of really dumb bandwagon that people jump on to seem cool - like the "old fluff vs new fluff" myth and the Matt Ward hate-train.
In the Shield of Baal campaign, Dante specifically states that the losses incurres by the hive fleet were only a set back, and they wouldn't be able to hold the back. Not sure what kind of battle you were waiting for, but it was the wrong one.
Tldr; in my humble opinion, some of the members of this forum need to get over yourselves. You're letting herd mentality get in the way of your enjoyment.

I think it has more to do with the Reader already having an established bias towards the faction they play. It doesn't matter what point of view the Author intended. The Reader wants their faction to be triumphant regardless whether they are the protagonists or not.

Plasma power settings is another throwback to 2nd edition, Heavy Plasma Guns (Now Plasma Cannons) had a low energy Strength 7 D4 damage -2 save setting and a Maximum power S10 D10 damage -6 save setting that required a turn to recharge

This was back when all other plasma weapons needed to recharge for a turn after use, except Chaos, who had access to the riskier "Mk1" Plasma weapons - which had sustained fire and overheated

When 3rd was released, they did away with this concept and effectively made all Plasma guns and Pistols the dangerous "Mk1" type - rapid fire, overheat, no turn to recharge

so really, "safe" Imperial plasma weaponry was the norm up until 3rd. the dangerous, overheating Plasma weapons were supposed to have been declared Fabrus Excommunicata and banned from production.

All Cawl did is take the safe Plasma weaponry and apply the variable settings of the old Plasma Cannon

 Unusual Suspect wrote:


Assault weapon's penalties for shooting after Advancing seems like it'll hurt lower BS armies (Orks, Tau, AM, etc.) more than elites.

Well, my 60 Shoota Boyz are pretty stoked that they get to run and shoot now with Shootas and Big Shootas, not to mention that Kombi-Skorcha on the Nob. I'm thinking it might be time to give Rokkits to the Slugga Boyz as well.

Also, Deff Koptas, Ork Bikes, Trukks, Battlewagons, Deff Dreads, Killa Kanz. They can all move the extra D6" and still spray bullets/rokkits/fire/scrap everywhere in proper Orky fashion.

Lord Kragan wrote:
MORTARION'S FIRST DEPICTION SQUEEEEE!!!!!!

Arrrr, that's be no Beast of Nurgle.

That be a thing far more terrible.

Arrrrr.

That be Dinoslugs.

That big great unclean one just above the primaris captain looks like the Glotkin sans the brothers on top.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
How do you think the various Chapters would react to the idea of tampering with Geneseed trying to "improve" on the Emperor's design and make better Space Marines?

I think my Chapter the Raven Guard would be highly sceptical if not outright hostile to the idea of Primaris Space Marines, due to the disastrous failure of their own Primarch Corvus Corax to create his own improved Space Marines as a shortcut to rebuilding his Legion in the Horus Heresy.

I doubt it, since we - and they - now know that the 'disastrous failure' was all due to the nefarious interference of those meddling kids the Alpha Legion, they'll know it can probably work just fine, and will gladly accept the Primaris Marines with open arms.

Unless Corax is one of the soon to be returning Primarchs, maybe!

Let's also not forget Robute met with the Emperor and met with him for a day. He declared him Lord Commander of the Imperium and it seems very likely the Emperor gave him the last bits of knowledge that had eluded Cawl and were necessary for the completion of the Primaris marines. While some chapters might not accept the Primaris into their ranks, they aren't likely going to betray the Emperor's will, unless they were already predisposed to betraying it.

I'd speculate, the genetech knowledge the Emperor shared with Corax after the Heresy t may have been pieced together by Cawl and Guiliman to start work on the Primaris, and the Emperor only upon meeting with Guiliman now, may have shared with him enough more to complete the Primaris.

Odd how the plasma thing is another overly simplistic 'model is removed' rule that would seem to kill to 1 wound Guardsmen and 6 wound Captains with a single bad roll. Weird how GW went to all the trouble of changing the AP system and adding Damage to weapons then went and turned vehicles and plasma weapons exploding into vortex grenades that kill you instantly.

Seems so incongruous.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Odd how the plasma thing is another overly simplistic 'model is removed' rule that would seem to kill to 1 wound Guardsmen and 6 wound Captains with a single bad roll. Weird how GW went to all the trouble of changing the AP system and adding Damage to weapons then went and turned vehicles and plasma weapons exploding into vortex grenades that kill you instantly.

Seems so incongruous.

This is a world where you can be shot right through area terrain of any size with no penalty until you actually touch it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Odd how the plasma thing is another overly simplistic 'model is removed' rule that would seem to kill to 1 wound Guardsmen and 6 wound Captains with a single bad roll. Weird how GW went to all the trouble of changing the AP system and adding Damage to weapons then went and turned vehicles and plasma weapons exploding into vortex grenades that kill you instantly.

Seems so incongruous.

The alternative (inflicting hits on the model) could lead to weapons magically reconstructing out of thin air because the model passed the save, or models running around the battlefield sans weapon.

The second option would be cool in a smaller scale game, but I don't think GW cares about the minutiae of "battlefield conditions simulation" to that extent. Save that for Necromunda.

Just finished reading the core rules from the leak. They seem quite solid, perils of the warp sounds like it has the potential to be nasty. In a lot of ways it has a strong 3rd edition vibe, this could be due to a lot of rd edition artwork being used in the little side boxes. I think it is the now sadly gone Wayne England artwork.

I like the whole Plasma weapon malfunction and vehicle explosion removing models not just causing wounds. For the plasma weapon it makes sense as it is so close to the user that having it explode is going to take them out with it, or cause enough damage to render them out of the battle. Same is true for a vehicle going up in smoke.

The Baal background is spank, utterly spank.

So a Space Marine Chapter can lose their Homeworld system to a rival Space Marine Chapter. Space Wolves lost the Fenris system to the Thousand Sons. However a system can not fall due to a Xenos race who have such numbers they blot out the stars and the warp, plus have a long established history of reducing planets, systems, and galaxies to barren wastes.

It would have been interesting to have the Blood Angels lose, but needing to retreat to help the new crusade, with the entire Chapter becoming fleet based similar to the Black Templars.

How can the planet be rebuilt after coming so close to being reduced to a waste. The consumption of a planets ecosystem happens all the way through a Tyranid invasion. As it got so far along the planet should be abandoned as it seems unable to sustain life, never mind a Space Marine Chapter.

As a Tyranid player I would like to see the Tyranids be able to win a major battle at least once, the galaxy is big enough to afford the Tyranids a major victory without destroying the background... which is oddly enough something that Chaos are allowed to do, they can have a major victory that alters the background and that is acceptable.

I guess this really is the edition where GW have made it painfully obvious that they don't care about the Xenos races.

We do have knowledge that being 25% Obscured also gives a cover save. (Mentioned as being a non-Advanced rule when they talked about Stronghold Assault and once again in Cities of Death iirc.)

I'm interested to see WHERE that is mentioned though, as it isn't on any of the leaked pages as far as I can see...

 Thargrim wrote:
So the Blood Angels are cooked, Ultramarines are doing fine. Wonder what will happen to the dark angels and other chapters...

Well, white scars and ravenguard took quite a beating in damocles, the woofs got really pummeled in fenris, and the dark angles also took some losses there.

The IF and IH didn't get into much trouble lately IIRC.

The Imperial Fists have been killed off enough. Literally to the last man.

I wonder how the Primaris would look with a MKVIII helmet? I might mix and match some of the helmets if they are compatible. I like my Soace Marines to be a bit more haphazard and unique like in Blanche Art.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
We do have knowledge that being 25% Obscured also gives a cover save. (Mentioned as being a non-Advanced rule when they talked about Stronghold Assault and once again in Cities of Death iirc.)

I'm interested to see WHERE that is mentioned though, as it isn't on any of the leaked pages as far as I can see...

I guess in one of the optional rule sets and only to be used in City of Death games