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I wrote it, then looked at the opened tab...my bad, didn't expect to find the codex there.

Looks nice!

Greets
Schepp himself

Whoa, thanks for that.

EDIT: Holy crap, bikes are 25 pts. That is stupid broken. And I say that as a White Scars player.

OMG..

that answers all my up-front questions..

Lormax.. you have either been very bad.. or very good.

-P

Sicarius looks to be the best special...200 pts gets you

Inflitrate/Scout/Tank Hunters for a Tac Squad
Rites of Battle
Reroll sieze the Ini (Not great but hey)
2+ save with feel no pain
Can cause ID if he chooses


The only other one that catches my eye is Chronus in a Crusader or the White Scars special with flanking Crusader/Terminators.

Good stuff, thanks for sharing .

<<<Waits until Yak comes in to put the fear of god in Lormax>>>

With regards to White Scars, won't that mean that you can have basically an entire army of dirt cheap bikes that can all outflank and are all scoring? That seems insanely broken.

Danny Internets wrote:With regards to White Scars, won't that mean that you can have basically an entire army of dirt cheap bikes that can all outflank and are all scoring? That seems insanely broken.

Yeah, so much for the "wait until you see the points costs before you scream broken" crowd.

Good luck fielding (and affording!) and winning all the time with that army!

Still, certainly seems like one for the "OMG!!11!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!111!!!" crowd!

HarveyDent wrote:

porkuslime wrote:If so, did Razorback price drop too?

yes. razorbacks w/TL heavy bolters are 40 base. they can get TL lascannons, TL assault can, TL multi-melta, lascannon w/TL plasma guns.

Thanks for confirming this, I'd not seen the upgrade list anywhere since one of the early Warseer threads. Thank god the rending rules only work on 'to wound' now, or the TL donkey cannon spam would have been horrendous.

The stuff looks fantastic. I really think it will allow a lot of varied Marine builds that will actually play differently.

Very cool stuff.

I was suprised to see there are three distinct Dreadnoughts: Regular, Venerable and Ironclad. A bit bummed I can't upgrade an Ironclad to become Venerable.

All in all, I think many players will be very pleased and excited to either update their armies or start all new ones.

wow, space marines are now officially bad ass. And 25 points for a bike? Big deal, they still aren't that good. I think the points are correct now for what they do.

There are SO many ways to play marines now, this codex in my opinion is a major two thumbs up big time win. There are combos within combos here, that is fantastic.

now, if only they redo CSM and Dark Angels to fall inline with this, 5th will be the best edition of the game yet. Well, it already appears to be so.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Well, it has the Cerberus Launcher - a three-barreled grenade-launcher that fires smoke, flash-bang, and concussion grenades. These do no damage, mind you, but scares the bejeezus out of the enemy so that when the Scouts assault from it, enemies are -2 Ld.

I can already hear the cries of terror from the grizzled renegades and enemies of the Imperium: "Oh noes, boy scouts! Run for the hills!"

Tribune wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Well, it has the Cerberus Launcher - a three-barreled grenade-launcher that fires smoke, flash-bang, and concussion grenades. These do no damage, mind you, but scares the bejeezus out of the enemy so that when the Scouts assault from it, enemies are -2 Ld.

I can already hear the cries of terror from the grizzled renegades and enemies of the Imperium: "Oh noes, boy scouts! Run for the hills!"

That is not the only Land Speeder Storm weaponry, the Storm Speeder has a Heavy Bolter AND the Cerebrus Launcher and a Jamming Beacon and the HB is upgradable.


Plus Deep Strike and Carries 5 Scouts.. yeah.. I want this model..

-Porkuslime

porkuslime wrote:OMG..

that answers all my up-front questions..

Lormax.. you have either been very bad.. or very good.

-P

Hahaha thank you

Lurker wrote:<<<Waits until Yak comes in to put the fear of god in Lormax>>>

Considering they're already doing the same thing over on another site named after a weapon combo that SM Sergeants come with, and that I was given the go-ahead to take the pics by employees in the store, I don't see an issue personally.

And you can upgrade it to carry an assault cannon for less than a 'regular' Land Speeder, I think.

I agree with Reecius - this Codex is going to be a lot of fun to play with and against.

We should see a lot of different lists coming out of it too, though with lots of 'counts as' special characters, I'd imagine.

*Quickly saves everything*

Lormax, you are freaking awesome. Why, if you weren't a man I'd kiss you...

Ah, what the hell...

*Kisses Lormax on the mouth*

So what exactly are the digital weapons? The same as tycho's old extra str4 hit in cc wargear?

It is pretty much official, by not streamlining wargear, C:SM blows BA/DA Dex's out of the water

One thing to note: Scouts receive the sniper rifle upgrade for free.

Tribune wrote:One thing to note: Scouts receive the sniper rifle upgrade for free.

Also they recieve the scouts USR

Hmmmmmmm....looks like the option for a terminator armored command squad is gone the way of the dodo...can you attach a Chapter master to a termy squad like you could in the old days. do termy's still get deep strike like they used to?

Quickly perusing.. I don't see an entry for Assault Squads..

Lormax.. was it there.. or were there just the Vanguard Vet with optional Jump Packs?

I also forsee a future for lots of extra Dread arms.. hoping they put out some plastics to cover all these options.

-Porkuslime

CapNCaveman! wrote:Hmmmmmmm....looks like the option for a terminator armored command squad is gone the way of the dodo...can you attach a Chapter master to a termy squad like you could in the old days. do termy's still get deep strike like they used to?

The master can still take termy armor and take the honorguard. They all have the same regular save (2+) it is just the invuln that they dont have. They get option to take relic blades (str6) and auxiliary grenade launchers. The launchers have a 12 inch range, but are assault 1 and function just like a grenade launcher (str6 ap4).

porkuslime wrote:Quickly perusing.. I don't see an entry for Assault Squads..

Lormax.. was it there.. or were there just the Vanguard Vet with optional Jump Packs?

I also forsee a future for lots of extra Dread arms.. hoping they put out some plastics to cover all these options.

-Porkuslime

No assault squads in fast attack, only in elites. To top that off marine bike squads (not scout bike, but marine bikes) are elite choices

moosifer wrote:

Tribune wrote:One thing to note: Scouts receive the sniper rifle upgrade for free.

Also they recieve the scouts USR

And I don't remember them having Move Through Cover before, either.

did they take deep strike away from terminator squads?!?!

I'll ask again...Do squads that start off the board still some how forget how to use the combat squad rule?

moosifer wrote:

porkuslime wrote:Quickly perusing.. I don't see an entry for Assault Squads..

Lormax.. was it there.. or were there just the Vanguard Vet with optional Jump Packs?

I also forsee a future for lots of extra Dread arms.. hoping they put out some plastics to cover all these options.

-Porkuslime

No assault squads in fast attack, only in elites. To top that off marine bike squads (not scout bike, but marine bikes) are elite choices

Both SM Bikers and Assault Squads (not veterans) are Fast Attack.

skyth wrote:I'll ask again...Do squads that start off the board still some how forget how to use the combat squad rule?

If they deploy form a Pod, they can split. Dunno if a 10 man Termie squad can do it when the arrive or prior to that.

Awesome stuff...

moosifer wrote:

Tribune wrote:One thing to note: Scouts receive the sniper rifle upgrade for free.

Also they recieve the scouts USR

And Scout Bikes get Infiltrate.