Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Air: Then by all means mate, speak up, but other dex's and unfair is not part of this topic, as the title shows

Its true, if you dont shoot then you dont miss.
Its also true that if you dont take the shot, an innocent life could be lost as a result.

This thread asked for my opinion, I gave it. I have a right to state the fatcs. I'm not expecting anything to change, although it would be nice.

SilverMK2 wrote:Including all the chapters under one roof (even if you literally keep them in seperate sections within the main dex) will encorage diversity right from the start.

I dont agree with this at all. When there is a book for an army, it gives you a whole new connection to it. I loved the BA when i first started 40k because they had their own book, with their own story and history. Same with the craftworlds when i played Eldar. Now, do i think the BA needed a new codex? yes, did they need it before some of the other armies? probably not. But i dont think its worth complaining about it, unless you complain about the length of time it takes to release dex's

I personally cant wait for the BA to come out again

What would be ironic is if when the new codex is released it's not as good as the PDF version. It could happen but it seems like the Jervis phase is over now. Both IG and SW got really good codices. I am hoping they bring back stuff like the Sanguinary High Priest and Moriar the Chosen. It's an opportunity to do some really cool stuff so I hope whoever is the developer who writes the book does a great job. To be honest I am not keen on the new SM codex and am hoping they go away from combat squads. I am also hoping they write the rules in such a way it will be easy to build an army that has a strong Flesh Tearers theme. You can kind of build a 13th Company style list with the new SW codex so maybe it will happen. I find the FT to be just as or even moreso popular than BA.

G

I hope that they make a Blood Angels codex that makes the Dark Angels and CSM codices look like masterpieces.

I somehow doubt that will happen. By the way a lot of people consider CSM a great codex. DA get no love though. Q_Q

G

racta wrote:I dont agree with this at all. When there is a book for an army, it gives you a whole new connection to it. I loved the BA when i first started 40k because they had their own book, with their own story and history.

... But you would get your "own" chapters section within the main dex. Full of the fluff from the individual codex that proceeded the super-dex. It is not like they would go all Eldar on a Space Marine Chapter and just get rid of everything

I would bill the combined SM codex as simply being a combination of all the other SM books into one, with all the repeat bits taken out. By combining them all into one book, you will not be loosing all that much.

Although I didn't really see you "disagreeing" with my post, as I didn't mention anything about cutting out fluff, thus stopping you from falling in love with a different colour scheme... erm... I mean SM chapter.

Don't you think there would be more BA players, or DA players, etc, if they were clearly represented in the main codex? Don't you think the amount of blue marines would decrease if they gave some of the more "unique" chapters space in the main codex, rather than having to shell out extra for outdated (other than the SW) rules?

Do Blood Angels need a new codex? Well, of course they do! They are the totally individual red marines with no anger management and the futile hope to attract female beings (gotta lower your standards sometimes...) with their "Ooh, I'm soo a vampire all dark and mysterious and I'm so gonna rescue mankind even if they fear me, all while I am out for revenge hunting my evil brothers" attitude. Let's be honest for a second, how could one not! need a new and improved (jet not spell-/ rulechecked an nowhere soon to be faq'ed) SPACE MARINE Codex?!
Will it be overpowered? True Space Marines aren't overpowered, one only has to accept their superiority (and the fact Jervis "Jervis" likes them). 'Nuff said!

*getting off the soapbox* I don't think, there's need for jet another SM Codex when there are quite a few armies out there that really need an update: necrons, dark eldar (until they just get sucked away), tau maybe. But as far as GW thinks, we all can relax in the comforting thought, that they'll always be ready to give us SMs anytime they... ahem, excuse me: WE want.
Asking a question again for the umph'st time: How can it be that SMs, who basically are all the same unless it comes to color, get five (ok, six counting CSM) Codices, while for instance the IG, as one of the largest organisations to be, has to deal with one?

racta wrote:Now, do i think the BA needed a new codex? yes, did they need it before some of the other armies? probably not. But i dont think its worth complaining about it, unless you complain about the length of time it takes to release dex's

This is basically my problem with there being so much Space Marine Codici. If they would release Codici and Models faster (as in not having main armies that are 2 editions behind), then I wouldn't have a problem with there being Chapter specific Codici. As is though, main armies that are long overdue are being pushed back because Space Marines version III has to be released, which is the only thing I'm frustrated about.

I think it's fine to release Chapter (or Craftworld or Legion) specific Codici, as long as the basic armies are fine. They are not at the moment, so I think the priority should be new Codici and Models for the main armies that need it (Necrons, Daemon Hunters, Dark Eldar, Witch Hunters).

Airmaniac wrote: As is though, main armies that are long overdue are being pushed back because Space Marines version III has to be released, ...

That's a bold assumption. There's absolutely no evidence that other armies are being delayed because of a presumed requirement to release more marines. I think it's more likely that the BA are being released because they were easy to do and got plugged in a hole in the release schedule because the other armies like Dark Eldar and Necrons just aren't ready yet.

So Arschbombe, you think that if Space Wolves wouldn't have been released that GW would have only released one Warhammer 40k Codex in the year 2009 (namely Imperial Guard)?

In my opinion, if Space Wolves wouldn't have gotten that 2nd spot in 2009, then another army would have.

Sure another army would have been put in that slot if the pups were delayed, but it's not like it would have been DE or Necrons because those are both reported to be works in progress. If Pups were pushed back the slot would have most likely been filled by Nids or maybe BA.

So if that slot would've gone to Tyranids (which would then have been released 5 months earlier, quite a push back by the SW Chapter in my book), then the January slot would've been filled by another army. So yes, Chapters do push back the main army releases.

wow just wow...

* facepalm *

Airmaniac wrote:So if that slot would've gone to Tyranids (which would then have been released 5 months earlier, quite a push back by the SW Chapter in my book), then the January slot would've been filled by another army. So yes, Chapters do push back the main army releases.

So now you're assuming that all the armies are done and ready to go and it is only the whim of GW that determines what order they get released in?

If it wasn't for that greenskin codex, we would have all of them by now!

Arschbombe wrote:

Airmaniac wrote:So if that slot would've gone to Tyranids (which would then have been released 5 months earlier, quite a push back by the SW Chapter in my book), then the January slot would've been filled by another army. So yes, Chapters do push back the main army releases.

So now you're assuming that all the armies are done and ready to go and it is only the whim of GW that determines what order they get released in?

So you are assuming a Chapter specific Codex takes no time at all to develop (let alone the models for them)?

What exavtly are you getting at pilgrim?

G

Airmaniac wrote:So you are assuming a Chapter specific Codex takes no time at all to develop (let alone the models for them)?

Not zero time, no, but certainly much less time than a total model line revamp like the Dark Eldar are reportedly getting.

You're in luck though. I found a solution. Get GW to stop all that WHFB and LotR crap and they'll be able to do a 40k release every month.

True if anything pushes back releases is LotR.

Chaos Daemons need a codex more because it is stuck in an ancient ed

You are responsible for this... I hope you are thoroughly enjoying it.

G

Dal'yth Dude wrote:Fexor: I see what you are saying with regards to the Vanguard not having jump packs (but can't confirm it). Again, it comes down to a FOC and weapon/equipment upgrade issue.

Give BA a character that says something like this:

- A allows Vanguard to take jump packs for z points. Assault marines are considered troops
- B allows dreadnoughts to be taken as elite or heavy support options.

Don't forget that in 3rd edition troops weren't quite the same as they are now (IOW scoring units that hold objectives which themselves are more important than in 3rd edition).

Don't assume just because I don't want 4-6 marine codexes I don't play marines. I'll have a BA army in January or February, but that doesn't mean I think they *need* a Codex now nor that they *require* their own Codex.

If a company can only put out 2 Codexes in a year, an edition's lifespan is 4-5 years and there are more than 10 Codexes, obviously some armies will not be updated in a given edition. Just as obviously, Codex: Ultramarines will never be in that position.

BAs didn't get their own Codex until Thorpe's 3rd Ed once which so many people complained about back in the day. Even Angels of Death Codex was two marine chapters. In it was explicitly stated that BAs were Codex except for their dark secret (Death Company/Black Rage).

Dal'yth Dude:

The Vanguard I know don't come with jump packs by default, one of the big things that makes them such a bad addition, if they came with them standard they'd be pretty awesome units, but that's not the focus of this topic.

I forgot about the Dreadnought special rule also. And the Furiouso Dreadnought is just an awesome sight to behold, looks really cool to see that thing (even as impractical in 5ed as it may be) walk on the table and tear up tanks or squads with ease. And Moriar...oh man, just an awesome character.

But what exactly are referring to when you're talking about the FOC? I mean how does taking Assault Marines as troops going to imbalance the FOC or the game?

Cheers!

Making assault squads count as a scoring unit was a great idea by Jervis. Troops obviously are a lot more important in 5th edition so by making that mod to the BA FOC he subtly changed their background in such a way that fits well with the original theme. While I don't think an army composed of all jump infantry is competitive a lot of people love this type of list and play it for the pure fun of it, which is great. There is no reason why an army list has to be a pipe hitter. I think a lot of people miss this element of 40k in general.

So anyways here is one red Marine list I saw where players were trying to run a pseudo BA army with the nilla SM codex:

Chaplain/jump pack
3x assault squad/power fist(s) and/or power weapon(s)
2x Dreadnaught/drop pod
2 - 3x tactical squad

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:I somehow doubt that will happen. By the way a lot of people consider CSM a great codex. DA get no love though. Q_Q

G

I hope that the only options for the entire army are jump packs. That's it. No power weapons, nothing.

I hope that you get your BA codex and weep because the army sucks so bad and because all of the flavor of it is gone.

By the way, the CSM codex sucks when it comes to flavor, so do the DA.

So far, it sounds like the important thing is covered:

- Assault Marine Troops with varied Special Weapons and Sergeant options.

The rest, I can make do around.

Carry on.

I see someone has been drinking the lime green koolaid again.

(not directed at JohnHwangDD)

G

:edit: nevermind. I'm done wasting my time arguing with brick walls.

What's that about never arguing with idiots because they bring you down to their level...?

I think as each new ed. come out the codex thats the least compatable should get the update first.

Nids needs it, BA needs it, DH/WH need it.....people then moan about DE, that dex is still as good as was in third....I'd be happy not having to buy new units and learning sound tactics for that long...without having to rip weapons off models all the damn time.

Most of 4th ed books most still run fine in 5th but some don't.... they need fixed, DE are lucky really... is was and still is a great codex.

And yes I will be playing BA when they come out...my old BA got a repaint when the .pdf came out.

Vladsimpaler wrote::edit: nevermind. I'm done wasting my time arguing with brick walls.

What's that about never arguing with idiots because they bring you down to their level...?

troll is obvious troll.

G