Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**Fifty**

(Sorry, the first paragraph there was aimed mainly at Thor.

The second was aimed at Bishop Gore)

**Gornall**

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Mekboy has died from dysentery!!!

He was a GENESTEALER

!!!!
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As a Mod, I said up front that I would not be replacing anyone, simply because it's too confusing to keep track of the multiple personalities. However, because Mekboy is a genestealer, losing him to a modkill on Day 1 would put undue hardship on the remaining baddy. To combat this, I bent my own rule and have randomly promoted a non-power-role townie to a genestealer. This former townie is NOW working as a genestealer and will win/lose based on the genestealer win conditions. I know this is kinda unfair to the town, but I figured you guys could use a challenge.

This deal will NOT occur again. If anyone else flakes out, then that's just how the cookie crumbles.

**Thor665**

Well that's certainly interesting. It changes my potential reads of both Lord_loss and Vulkan at the very least. I will also note that we are almost halfway through our allotted time and are nowhere near close to even having a probable lynch, much less two or three to choose from and discuss. This just seems a bad plan, as we don't want to have to be scrambling around trying to get a lynch in the last few (real life) days.

PLEASE RE-READ THE RULES - we need to lynch someone via votes, we *cannot* lynch via deadline.

Everyone who is voting for nobody - vote for somebody (I personally believe nobody is lurking quite a bit, but I still don't think he's a Genestealer)

Everyone who is on a vote wagon that only they are voting for - tell us why we should vote that person or change your vote to someone you think is actually scummy for something. You do us no favors by sitting silently on a single vote wagon. Get it rolling or get off.

**BishopGore**

Ok, I'll come off the non-voting fence.

Vote: the_ferrett

His last few posts have been an attempt to turn people against the loud voice of logic in our midst. Thor is almost single handedly keeping this thread turning (be it ever so slowly) and I feel those attacks are contrary to our current need, whether Thor is a genestealer or not.

I apologise to the group for thinking about wanting the information for myself. It may have been a bad player decision, but I stand by it, I wanted Vulkan to stay alive despite his 'slip' (whether real or fake). One thing I will say, Vulkan changed his comment BEFORE I posted my first response, so I feel this is a high claim for his innocence. Why would have have attempted to hide the posts if he wasn't sure anyone had seen it, unless he is honestly a townie? Of course this might be seen as further collaboration between Vulkan and myself, which will only be revealed as false if I die and you all find out I'm just a nobody Imperial citizen.

I'm honestly not getting a read off of anybody at the moment, with Thor being loud and most other people just making short posts.

Drk_Oblit, how is voting for me with a one line post going to force interaction? What more can I say here? I've posted long and full posts, with I think plenty of information in them each time. What more can I say that will have you feeling like we've interacted unless you give me something to respond to?

**Lord-Loss**

I kept on forgetting to comment on Bishop Thor.

I agree that Bishop is suspicous.. Probally the most suspicous (so far) out of everyone whose commented. But I don't think there's enough to go on for a lynch.

Bishop, what do you think about Brother Stynier and his accusation of Drk_Oblit?

(I didn't realise that time had gone so fast.)

**BishopGore**

I'm not sure about Stynier. He's got some kind of bee in his bonnet about Drk_O which doesn't seem entirely rooted in this game, more like a vengeance thing from someplace else. He also made an odd comment about the Inquisitor on page 3. I'd see him as someone to be watched probably.

We also have to rethink our stances somewhat with a new Genestealer in the mix, possibly someone who's been disinterested up until now. So I will have to wait and see if Vulkan changes before I decide he's definitely clean now. Toes must be stayed upon.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I've never lost to Drk_O, so its not vengeance. Its that I'd rather avoid repeats of his nonsense posts.

**Arheiner**

Hmmm, this makes things interesting, though if we spot personality changes early then this new Genestealer should be findable.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

Lord-Loss wrote:(I didn't realise that time had gone so fast.)

It's only been 4 days

BishopGore wrote:Drk_Oblit, how is voting for me with a one line post going to force interaction? What more can I say here? I've posted long and full posts, with I think plenty of information in them each time. What more can I say that will have you feeling like we've interacted unless you give me something to respond to?

You didn't respond to my accusations. But then I realised why when I looked at them. The correct response would have been "What accusations?" It was complete speculation loosely attached to you.

Unvote:BishopGore because I never really had a reason to in the first place.

Now I'm not sure what I should do...

**Thor665**

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:It's only been 4 days

4 Days (we're in Day 5 by my accounting - we started Sunday) of a two week countdown that contains 2 more weekends 9Deadline is a Sunday, the 18th) which we both know will contain little to no talking if history has taught us anything. And yet here we sit barely able to even get someone to 4 votes, much less the needed 7 to lynch, much less getting two people to 4-5 votes so that we actually have a choice of whom to lynch and can see people express their preferences. I don't want to have to try to interpret scummy behavior as people are forced to rush in and "vote to ensure a lynch" which will allow them to hide their motives much easier.

Now I'm not sure what I should do...

Look at the other players, assess which one of them is most scummy and then vote for that person. I also support you saying why you find them most scummy. I've been saying this for a while now.

Arheiner wrote:Hmmm, this makes things interesting, though if we spot personality changes early then this new Genestealer should be findable.

I examined this post very carefully and read it with some bifocals on because everyone is smarter when they wear bifocles. Interestingly enough I was able to find no scumhunting within this post, and it also simply restated what some other posters had already noted.

@ARHEINER - If I've said it once I've said it, I dunno, maybe five to six times now, please either try to explain why the person you're voting for is scummy (It's Fifty in case you've forgotten), or unvote and vote for who you think is most scummy. You are not helping us by not giving your opinion on the actions and players in this thread.

**Gornall**

The deadline will be 1800 EST on Monday, April 19th. Sunday afternoon was basically a freebie.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

After collecting my thoughts, I have decided to Vote:Vulkan

Vulkan has been contributing the least to the discussion, with only 4 posts, most of which need to be questioned for them to make sense.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

This mixes things up a bit, alas Mekboy I knew ye well.

I was firstly going to move my vote to join those currently voting for Drk_O. However, he seems to be acting rational for the moment. I to would have gone after him because of previous game experiences with his style of play.

Yet, if time progress and we need a lynch by the end of day 1 that might just been an option.

Instead, I will now add my voice to his so Unvote:BishopGore and Vote: Vulkan. Even if he isn't a genestealer, he shows a dangerous disinterest in the game, which I feel will hamper our investigation as it moves on.

Sorry about the two edits, I stated something twice and had to edit it out.

**SagesStone**

Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*

**Thor665**

n0t_u wrote:Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*

Why are you so worried about 'looking scummy' if you're the Inquisitor?

**Gornall**

Current Vote Count:

1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
2- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE)
0- Arheiner
1- BishopGore.........(n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
1- Ferret.................(Bishop Gore)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

**SagesStone**

Thor665 wrote:
n0t_u wrote:Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*

Why are you so worried about 'looking scummy' if you're the Inquisitor?

Simple, I can claim to be the Inquisitor all I like but they still need to believe it. Looking scummy simply gives them more reasons to doubt me.

**Drk_Oblitr8r**

n0t_u wrote:
Thor665 wrote:
n0t_u wrote:Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*

Why are you so worried about 'looking scummy' if you're the Inquisitor?

Simple, I can claim to be the Inquisitor all I like but they still need to believe it. Looking scummy simply gives them more reasons to doubt me.

Yet, doing something to avoid looking scummy, is scummy, isn't it?

**SagesStone**

No, it's not quite that simple. Plus I wasn't doing something to avoid looking scummy I was avoiding doing the very thing that would look scummy which was bandwagoning. I came back to the game today after thinking it through and decided to vote for Vulkan, yet there were a few people before me and if I did it would appear to be bandwagoning, as there would be three in a row.

Thus I simply did a filler post to try to avoid the headache of trying to convince everyone that I wasn't simply jumping on the bandwagon >_>

**shas'o vera**

n0t_u wrote:No, it's not quite that simple. Plus I wasn't doing something to avoid looking scummy I was avoiding doing the very thing that would look scummy which was bandwagoning. I came back to the game today after thinking it through and decided to vote for Vulkan, yet there were a few people before me and if I did it would appear to be bandwagoning, as there would be three in a row.

Thus I simply did a filler post to try to avoid the headache of trying to convince everyone that I wasn't simply jumping on the bandwagon >_>

ah, you decided to stop bandwagoning to avoid looking scummy? in my opinion, this seems like your just trying apease the one's who think that bandwagoning is scummy, but if you tried bandwagoning with those who thought you scummy, then maybe they would give a slightly different opinion of you wouldn't they?

**SagesStone**

Maybe, but being one that sees bandwagoning as scummy it would be a hypocritical move for me

As I've clearly demonstrated in this game, I'm not really looking to be subtle.

**shas'o vera**

n0t_u wrote:Maybe, but being one that sees bandwagoning as scummy it would be a hypocritical move for me

As I've clearly demonstrated in this game, I'm not really looking to be subtle.[/quote

**SagesStone**

?

EDIT: At the time of this post the above post it is targeting is just a quote of my post above it with nothing added.

**shas'o vera**

yeah, it failed, i know.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Do you care to explain why you simply just copied Not_U's quote without adding anything(or at least what you were going to respond to it)?

**shas'o vera**

well, what happened was that i was going to comment on his quote, forgot what i as going to say and on top of that my computer crashed halfway through, so what you see was the result of a bad head and a rubbish computer

**Deff Dread red Edition**

I see. So, trying to prompt you to perhaps place a vote, whom do you deem suspicious and for what reasons?

**shas'o vera**

well, as you all can tell im kind of inexperienced at this sort of thing, so i'm not entirely sure who to vote for now, everyone seems to be using logic to stop people voting for them, in my opinion, they all seem scummy to me

**Thor665**

shas'o vera wrote:well, as you all can tell im kind of inexperienced at this sort of thing, so i'm not entirely sure who to vote for now, everyone seems to be using logic to stop people voting for them, in my opinion, they all seem scummy to me

How to vote when you don't know what to do - a Guide in 4 Easy Steps

1. If everyone seems equally scummy to you then you can safely vote for any of them.
2. If you admit you are inexperienced and unsure how to scumhunt then your best bet is to help those who appear to be scumhunting - pick someone and follow their play (say why you find them the best scumhunter though).
3. If you can't tell whose scumhunting is best then you might as well go with a person who more then one player suspects as hopefully they are all onto something - pick a player with the most or second most votes and vote them (say this is what you are doing - and be willing to lynch whoever you're voting for).
4. If you can't do that, then let me know so I can vote for you, because clearly you'll be as good a vote as any other at this stage.

**shas'o vera**

hmm, well, i was thinking of not casting my vote untill the second dayphase but i guess your plan works as well.