Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**Fifty**

So go on then, do it.

I was about to change my vote to Drk_O or Vulkan, but hell, maybe I'll leave it on you for another day or two and see if you figure out how to vote.

**Thor665**

Fifty's post is an example good post because he just justified his vote.

I will agree that I now support a shas'o lynch on the general principal of that; if he's town he's non-helpful town and also I definitely don't want him around at the endgame as he'll probably look fairly scummy since lack of voting and lack of opinions means he's trying to avoid giving us anything to read him by.

I'm not sure about the Vulkan wagon I see forming, as I legitimately feel he was town (though that may have now changed with that random promotion Gornall handed out) is there any case anyone has other then his lurking? shas'o has also been lurking (via lack of content rather then lack of posts) and actually I feel Arheiner is about equal with both of them in that regard as well.

I will say I am more content with the Vulkan vote over a BishopGore vote now, as BG has at least been working hard and if he is scum he'll be easier to read later.

**BishopGore**

After that half page of back and forth rambling instigated by Shas'O I'm not really feeling like he's going to be adding much. As in other threads he seems to be filling up space to hear himself talk. This is not a good choice of play style in the game, though it is marginally better than not posting at all.

I'm joining with the others (DDRE, Fifty and Thor), Shas'O, make a vote of some kind. Lay out your ideas in at least a vague form and be prepared to put your money where your mouth is. Don't sit on the fence.

I'm going to keep my vote on the_ferrett for now as I don't think he's even spoken since my vote, but I'm going to put my vote into a Shas'O lynch if he can't explain himself (especially since he suddenly started posting plenty after the revelation of a pro-town being turned to the dark side).

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Well, apart from Vulkan lurking, I must present old evidence as a justification for the vote. Much like I feel Stynier voted for Drk_O because of what happened last game, so to am I voting for Vulkan because of past experience. So far he has exhibited much the same play style as he did last game, darting in, infrequently, to post nothing of real value and lay down an ill explained vote before disappearing for a page or two. I find it slightly scummy, perhaps not Genestealer scummy(more in line with NLA scummy). Yet, I wouldn't like him kept around just because he is in the back of everyone's mind. He doesn't as such help play, nor even really share his opinions as Shas'O is trying to do. He just seems to be here, a rather easy target come end game for the stealers and perhaps easy to manipulate as last game he generally followed the common vote.

I would otherwise go for Drk_O, however he seems to be doing things in a now logical way or Shaso'O whom at least is attempting to do something. Perhaps I would have even voted Arheiner, yet I can't get a proper read off him. So I'll stick with my current vote until something(or someone)does something to change my opinion(It would take something rather extremely scummy though).

**Mekboy**

Ever so sorry I haven't been posting, my internets screwed up majorly and I haven't been able to get online. Tonight I'll read through this thread and put in some meaningful posts.

**BishopGore**

Mekboy wrote:Ever so sorry I haven't been posting, my internets screwed up majorly and I haven't been able to get online. Tonight I'll read through this thread and put in some meaningful posts.

Sorry man, you were modkilled for inactivity.

**Vulkan_He'stan**

vote: shas'o
as at the moment he is the only one I can find suspicious
After the pro town switch he has been very active,
compared to before.

**Mekboy**

Damn, and my first game as a non-citizen.

Accursed internets!

P.S. Viva la Hivemind!

**the_ferrett**

*rubs eyes and rolls over* Apologies for silence. Thor still seems overbearing to me. Bishop still seems a pain in the ass for voting for me although I have no logical rebuttal, I was at a low net LAN last night and now I'm going to sleep, sorry.

**SagesStone**

OOC: 3 way capped 64kbps net ftl atm >_>
roughly 16.67kbps because the net is connected to a wireless hub. My point is if I can do it anyone can

IC:
UNVOTE: THAT GUY I VOTED FOR BUT FORGOT HIS NAME

Yep Ferret that's basically how it goes.

As for my vote I've looked over it a bit and I guess I will
VOTE: VULKAN
(easier to see, huh?)
Because we're still in Day Phase One (right?).
He's basically lurking. Also he finally shows up doesn't answer any questions presented to him and changes his vote with little more than two lines to go with it. Protown switch? What?

**Lord-Loss**

I think we should stop the votes for Vulkan and wait for him to explain himself, or play a more active role.

**Thor665**

the_ferrett wrote:*rubs eyes and rolls over* Apologies for silence. Thor still seems overbearing to me.

I see that you are very much against my style of actually explaining the logic of your vote - but to my mind that doesn't make me the most scummy one here. Way to dodge my question.

@Lord-Loss - I agree with you in the most general sense, but will note that waiting for Vulkan to actually make a comment is what got him in this situation to begin with. Out of curiosity; how long do you feel is appropriate to allow him to 'have time' to respond? I'll point out that I believe we have a fairly solid lynch option between shas'o and Vulkan. With the way they are attacking each other and for what only one of them is likely to be a Genestealer - so if we lynch one and get scum we're pretty safe in knowing the other is innocent. Other then that I'm more lukewarm towards the entire case (though apparently cannot convince anyone of how scummy I believe Drk_O is and how he needs some more votes.)

**the_ferrett**

I think noone gets eliminated unless we get a majority vote.

**the_ferrett**

*squints at Thorr* What was the question again?

**Thor665**

Thor665 wrote:I've only got 'control' if the rest of the town sits there in odd silence waiting for me to declare who they should scumhunt on. I am in absolute favor for more people to scumhunt more. Is there more to your accusation then that I am actively working for a lynch (which we do need to do) and most everyone else is being relatively quiet (which I am arguing loudly against)?

**the_ferrett**

Short answer: Nope
Long answer: No and I'll forget the question before the morning. *smiles tiredly* That said, people do need to talk more and c ould possibly feel threatened with your "choose my way or appear scummy" logic.

**Thor665**

If you agree that people need to talk more and you agree that my style puts pressure on people to talk more or appear scummy then why do you think my method makes me appear scummy?

**the_ferrett**

No, I'm saying your method scares people into chosing your method or becoming potential *blah word meaning guilty*.

**Thor665**

Do you think people who stay silent should not be suspected of being Genestealers?

If you think they should - what's wrong with my methods?
If you think they shouldn't - why not?

**Vulkan_He'stan**

What questions have been asked at me???

**Gornall**

Current Vote Count:

1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
3- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore....
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
1- Ferret.................(Bishop Gore)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

**BishopGore**

the_ferrett seems to have joined Shas'O and Vulkan in rambling randomly.

I'm now feeling like putting my vote back on Vulkan. If he can't be bothered to actually read back through a few pages of notes to discuss his innocence or guilt then he should be thrown out. However I don't know if lynching him for being an idiot will help the town.

Unvote: the_ferrett

VOTE: VULKAN

the_ferrett is not working out ways to discuss things rationally, he's adding his rambling lack-of-content posts to the thread, same as Shas'O. But at least they read rather than just asking over and over to be told what to say. Sorry Vulkan, I no longer know that you're innocent, so I feel you should be lynched today.

**Lord-Loss**

Vote: The_Ferret

A pressure vote on Ferret to stop his rambling.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Ferret does seem to be doing a lot of that talking and saying nothing I hit Drk_O so hard over. Perhaps it would be wise to hit Ferret over it as well, he did a lot of this the last time as well.

For now I will, UNVOTE: Drk_O and VOTE:The_Ferret. Know Drk_O that this doesn't mean I'm done with you yet, only that I am assisting in getting another to try and actually say something when he talks.

**Vulkan_He'stan**

well ive read the last day pages and dcan't find any questions aimed at me

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Most of the questions you avoided were asked much earlier in the thread.

**Vulkan_He'stan**

I still find no questions??

**Lord-Loss**

We want you to play an active role in the Game, whats your opinion on Bishop, Drk_Oblit and The_Ferret?

**Thor665**

@Lord-Loss - good posting

@Vulkan - the general gist of people's issues with you is your lack of expressed opinions. Responding to LL's question would be a good idea of where to start.

@BishopGore - There are certain strategic advantages to lynching certain players early, not so much for being idiots but for acting in a way that is non-conducive to town winning. That said, if you happen to find anyone scummy I would certainly advocate voting for them over someone who is just not providing much content (if you find the lack of content providing guy otherwise less scummy then someone else).

That's why I'm pulling for Drk_O over Vulkan, shas, or ferret because I actually feel like Drk_O has been specifically trying to duck being assertive and opinionated and he has never had a problem with that in the past.

I (unfortunately) consider both ferret and Vulkan's actions to be in line with the way they play when they are town (though I'll admit Vulkan feels a touch extra lurky, but that's a hard value call). I've never played with shas before, but my current read is of a townie who isn't sure how to help. If he can follow the 4 point advice thing I gave him earlier or come up with his own system I'll have less issues with him. So to sum up;

I support a Drk_O lynch most of all.

I'm acceptable to the idea of lynching Vulkan especially since BG is in support of it because it's a not bad information lynch and Vulkan has been pretty lurky thus far so is an acceptable policy lynch for me.

I've changed my mind on BG, if he's scum he's playing it pretty smartly and at the moment looks overall townish, so I don't support a lynch there anymore.

At the moment I'm against the ferret and shas'o wagons as my current read is that they are playing to their usual play style.

**the_ferrett**

Answering Thor. Yes, people who say nothing look guilty, but your previous method (Which is now moot due to my 'ramblings') relied too much on you highlighting people's weaknesses for everyone to see. I was stating that I prefered a more pack mentality to a president and congress type system, especially as we require 7 (6?) votes this time.