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Ammendment: My play style is to tell the truth no matter how disjointed or out of it I may feel at the time. My play style also kinda sucks at self-defense, as I try to work on proof, and just as there is very little proof to find a lynch, there is less to proove anyone innocent.

Current Vote Count:

1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
4- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
2- Ferret.................(Lord Loss, Brother Stynier)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Thor665 wrote:

At the moment I'm against the ferret and shas'o wagons as my current read is that they are playing to their usual play style.

But one of your primary reasons for going after Drk_O is his usual play style. Why do you find it acceptable for Ferret to continue along with his ways, but not Drk_O? They both have a similar manner of operating.

Mr Stiener, What would you ask of me such that I conform with your ways of how it should be done? Hm?

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:vote: shas'o
as at the moment he is the only one I can find suspicious
After the pro town switch he has been very active,
compared to before.

Vulkan, do you know how else has gotten more active since the switch?

Your posts have doubled since the switch (More than 5 pages posts in 2 pages).

So by that logic, You yourself are suspicious, at least to yourself.

the_ferrett wrote:but your previous method (Which is now moot due to my 'ramblings') relied too much on you highlighting people's weaknesses for everyone to see

...this is called scumhunting. We *should* be pointing out weaknesses and inconsistencies in others. That's how you find scum and prevent bad town play.

I was stating that I prefered a more pack mentality to a president and congress type system

For us to avoid a "president" (which I strongly agree we should try to avoid, by the by) is for other people to start scumhunting and not letting me control the conversation by dint of being the only person talking. Again, this is something I've been supporting since the beginning which is why I've been pointing out when people are not scum hunting and demanding that they offer commentary and opinions.

Why are you voting for me again? I'd like to hear your reasons re-stated. Also, after me, whom do you find the next most scummy and why?

BrotherStynier wrote:But one of your primary reasons for going after Drk_O is his usual play style. Why do you find it acceptable for Ferret to continue along with his ways, but not Drk_O? They both have a similar manner of operating.

To clarify one of my initial reasons for going after him was playstyle.

My initial random quote cited his playstyle as one I found personally hard to read. I have since then pointed out his specific act of dodging giving his opinion when he is more then experienced and intelligent enough to understand the reason to give opinions. I feel that action is specifically scummy and that is my primary reason for voting for him at the moment. I'm also not sure how I feel about how Drk_O ended up on the Vulkan wagon. It's possible he just suddenly got fed up with Vulkan's quietness but it's also possible he smelled an easy to push wagon. It also reminds me a bit of Genestealer 3 where Drk_O was scum, spouted nothing, and then when he got closer to a lynch suddenly became much more helpful and started scumhunting.

Overall the single scumtell is about the best evidence I've seen today and is why I'm still voting Drk_O. If shas or ferret had actually committed something I considered a scumtell I'd be much more content with their wagons. Do you think I'm missing something there?

You know what? Stuff it.

Unvote: Thorr

My second most guilty would be not_u. This is his least active game yet and for no particularly valid reason that's ben stated. Not that he doesn't have one, just that we haven't been informed.

Well I had a big 5 paragraph, going through my suspicions of everyone, post ready to go but the computer crashed so instead icbf typing it up again >_>

The reason I'm less active is that my net is capped and I have to use a netbook because my PC died, that leads to me being able to type faster than the letters appear on screen a fair bit

And now we are informed and I am completely without someone to suspect. I suppose I could always jump on a bandwagon and vote myself.

the_ferrett wrote:And now we are informed and I am completely without someone to suspect. I suppose I could always jump on a bandwagon and vote myself.

If you are a townie then this is a dumb idea, because town should never knowingly vote for town. Pick a bandwagon that isn't you because then it might be scum.

Quite frankly, if you did suspect n0t_u I'm surprised his single post there convinced you not to. He could be lying, yes? It's the same with how you unvoted me - you suspected me of...something(?)....but as soon as I got even slightly standoffish about it all of a sudden your suspicion seemingly went away in a flash. Again, I could be lying about stuff and in my case you ought to be willing (capable) of saying why you suspect me. Right at the moment you are looking very much like either bumbling and confused town or uncertain scum who is trying to find a way out of the spotlight he currently finds himself in.

Check back a few pages; I have provided a 4 step process for uncertain town.
Use it.
Do not ever self-vote.

IMHO, doing otherwise cannot help town.

I was making a joke due to the other bandwagon being just as flimsy to vote for. I unvoted you because not only was voting for you flimsy (although it was all I had) but it was becoming unpopular to the detriment of my survival. Sure, the goal is for town to survive, but self preservation is a pretty nice thing.

I am torn between voing for Drk_0 and Shas'o vera at the moment. If Shas would just do something to justify me switching, I might switch, but right now it seems like Shas is just hiding without saying much and hoping that my one vote doesn't snowball into a lynch. I honestly think a few more votes on Shas and we would see him look very different.

Vulkan, it is very hard to say. I don't get a good vibe from him, but he is not as high up there as Drk_0 and Shas, for my money.

I'd encourage more people to vote for Shas, but if that is not happening near the deadline, I will switch to Drk_O.

well Bishop im getting a townie read, to be honest I see why he voted me
the ferett is a bit suspicios no real reson just a feel
and dark o i dont find suspisious as he is playing different from when he was bad ie he makes sense

Vulkan, I know you were asked about those people in particular, but could you not give us a bit more thought about each of them, and maybe volunteer some thoughts on some other people.

For example, do you feel Thor has been the same since the switch? Maybe he is now a 'stealer? Maybe he was a 'stealer all along. Personally, I think Thor has avoided any suspicion by taking a lead, but that does not make him a 'stealer either... I certainly woudn't say he is an innocent, but he is not at the top of my list yet.

What about Brother Stynier and Arheiner? Why not have a look back through their posting history and feed back to everyone on what you find.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:well Bishop im getting a townie read, to be honest I see why he voted me
the ferett is a bit suspicios no real reson just a feel
and dark o i dont find suspisious as he is playing different from when he was bad ie he makes sense

This I see as a rather excellent example of why to vote for Vulkan. Rather ill explained, Bishop is a townie, yet his thoughts on the matter never really go deeper then that. The Ferrett is suspicious simply because of a feeling, and Dark_O is suspicious as he is trying to make sense. While it might not seem like an overly suspicious thing, it doesn't add much to anything as to why he finds them suspicious, nor does it properly explain why he finds them suspicious. At least I think so.

Vulkan do you care to explain in a bit more detail whom you find suspicious and whom you think is a townie?

the_ferrett wrote:Mr Stiener, What would you ask of me such that I conform with your ways of how it should be done? Hm?

Change your play style, it didn't work for you last time. Why would it this time.

Thor665 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:But one of your primary reasons for going after Drk_O is his usual play style. Why do you find it acceptable for Ferret to continue along with his ways, but not Drk_O? They both have a similar manner of operating.

To clarify one of my initial reasons for going after him was playstyle.

My initial random quote cited his playstyle as one I found personally hard to read. I have since then pointed out his specific act of dodging giving his opinion when he is more then experienced and intelligent enough to understand the reason to give opinions. I feel that action is specifically scummy and that is my primary reason for voting for him at the moment. I'm also not sure how I feel about how Drk_O ended up on the Vulkan wagon. It's possible he just suddenly got fed up with Vulkan's quietness but it's also possible he smelled an easy to push wagon. It also reminds me a bit of Genestealer 3 where Drk_O was scum, spouted nothing, and then when he got closer to a lynch suddenly became much more helpful and started scumhunting.

Overall the single scumtell is about the best evidence I've seen today and is why I'm still voting Drk_O. If shas or ferret had actually committed something I considered a scumtell I'd be much more content with their wagons. Do you think I'm missing something there?

But the playstyle was the first thing cited and then you went on to his dodging, which leads back to his playstyle, he always dodges. I understand your intent on voting for him, I am with you on that, but no one else seems to believe that stance. So why sit on him when currently its not going to accomplish anything? Don't you want us to make votes that will matter?

You feel reminded of Drk_O's actions in game 3 well they are quite similar, you and I have hounded him and now he begins trying to scum hunt, if today we are unable to lynch him than should I be alive tomorrow I will assist you more in seeing to it that he is lynched.

BrotherStynier wrote:But the playstyle was the first thing cited and then you went on to his dodging, which leads back to his playstyle, he always dodges. I understand your intent on voting for him, I am with you on that, but no one else seems to believe that stance. So why sit on him when currently its not going to accomplish anything? Don't you want us to make votes that will matter?

I do want us to make votes that matter and I do not think my current sitting on him is accomplishing nothing.

I will note that I have been active both in re-stating my desires to see Drk_O lynched, and why I feel that way, while at the same time questioning the current top wagon of Vulkan (which though I am not fully against I still don't understand why so many other people seem to be so for it). I will admit that unless someone comes swinging in on a chandelier screaming "hai guyz, I am t3h Genstealeorzz!!1!" that I expect it's already pretty obvious that Vulkan is going to be the lynch target this day phase. But he just looks more like an easy target rather then a scummy target in my opinion. We have multiple players here who have expressed as much as Vulkan or less - I will cite Arheiner who is probably the current king of the lurkers right now, and will add in ferret and shas also. All three of those players are equal or inferior to Vulkan in content provided and yet for some reason Vulkan is #1 on lots of players radars all of a sudden? That sounds to me like scum smelling blood in the water and helping to get the wagon rolling.

The best we'll get from Vulkan methinks is an info lynch. Players who defend and persecute him will have made those stances and that might help us be a little more accurate Day 2, and much more accurate Day 3. And sometimes, unfortunately, that's what Day 1 is about - just getting an ifo lynch.

You feel reminded of Drk_O's actions in game 3 well they are quite similar, you and I have hounded him and now he begins trying to scum hunt, if today we are unable to lynch him than should I be alive tomorrow I will assist you more in seeing to it that he is lynched.

That just seems like a good reason to lynch him today rather then tomorrow. Why would you want to help me lynch him then and not lynch him today? If you agree with me that he's acting in a mode similar to his usual scum meta then why are you voting ferrett? Do you find your current target more scummy - why? I think ferret hasn't been helpful - but he's playing identical to the last time he played that I saw (was that Drk_O's first time as game mod? I forget) and he was town that time.

I already assisted you with lynching him (Drk_O) today, and the efforts seemed futile as we were unable to convince the others removing him was a wise choice, instead I was challenged from aggressively targeting him and you were targeted for being too assertive.

I'm not planing on leaving my vote with Ferret, the vote for him was simply to help LL put pressure on him. And what we've gathered is that he is playing how he always does and little else other than him asking how we feel he should play.

UNVOTE:Ferret

BrotherStynier wrote:I already assisted you with lynching him (Drk_O) today, and the efforts seemed futile as we were unable to convince the others removing him was a wise choice, instead I was challenged from aggressively targeting him and you were targeted for being too assertive.

Did you really consider the pressure put on you and I as a reason to unvote Drk_O?

Current Vote Count:

0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
4- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
1- Ferret.................(Lord Loss)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Thor665 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:I already assisted you with lynching him (Drk_O) today, and the efforts seemed futile as we were unable to convince the others removing him was a wise choice, instead I was challenged from aggressively targeting him and you were targeted for being too assertive.

Did you really consider the pressure put on you and I as a reason to unvote Drk_O?

No I did not, I was simply stating that we were getting nothing but resistance. Which makes me more suspicious of certain people.

OOC: Thor I really wish I was lieing about the capped net and dead PC thing

OOC: I might not be on much in the next week as internet is near capacity, unlikely but maybe will happen.

Arheiner, I must agree with Thor's earlier statements about you being one of the chief lurkers this round. As is, my suspicions are starting to turn toward you, so even if your cap is almost reached, would you care to explain whom you find suspicious or even just justify your vote for fifty?

Gornall, when is this day phase's deadline?

Gornall wrote:The deadline will be 1800 EST on Monday, April 19th. Sunday afternoon was basically a freebie.

As Drk_O seems like a better candidate for lynching than Vulkan, and as there is little sign of movement towards Shas, I am going to switch my vote from Shas to Drk_O in an attempt to keep pressure on Drk_O and maybe get a vote I believe in more.

Unvote: Shas'o Vera
Vote: Dark_Obliterator

hmm, by the looks of things, everyone seems to be going to lynch Dark_O personally i woulud vote for him because he hardily tries to contribute to the disscussion at all, and because he hardily ever posts anyway. but i only wish for him to explain himself, nothing more.

Vote: Dark_Obliterator

but on one condision, that my vote doesn't lead to his lynching.

shas'o vera wrote:personally i woulud vote for him because he hardily tries to contribute to the disscussion at all, and because he hardily ever posts anyway

Pot, meet kettle.

but i only wish for him to explain himself, nothing more.

Vote: Dark_Obliterator

but on one condision, that my vote doesn't lead to his lynching.

"Hey guys, I'm going to vote for Drk_O because EVERYONE is doing it, and by everyone I mean Fifty and Thor (and maybe Stynier if he changes his vote?). Oh man, he needs to explain himself more - so I'll vote him so he does that. But hey, just so you know, even though I am voting him I don't want to lynch him, okay? So, like, if somehow this lynches him and he flips town, it's not because I'm a Genestealer trying to lynch someone, it's only because I wasn't quick enough to take my vote off of him, okay? In fact, later in the game this vote shouldn't even really be counted for anything because I put a lot of disclaimer language all over it...but Drk_O *really* needs to contribute to the discussion even though this vote clearly doesn't!"

Did I sum that up wrong in any way?

Lets lay off Drk_Oblit and let him explain himself a bit guys.
Unvote: The_Ferret
Vote: Shas'O

So basically Shas just told us he is bandwagoning. This combinded with the fact that he rarely contributes to the general discussion and will just confuse and disrupt our scum hunting. Into someone I feel is more scummy then Shas arises I support a Shas lynch.