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**Emperors Faithful**

Good idea. I'd much prefer to call it Codex: Adepta Sororitas. Leaves it much more open to include things such as sister's hospitalier (who I always pictured as being the equivalent of a 40k Mother Teresa).

**BaronIveagh**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Good idea. I'd much prefer to call it Codex: Adepta Sororitas. Leaves it much more open to include things such as sister's hospitalier (who I always pictured as being the equivalent of a 40k Mother Teresa).

*tries picturing Mother Teresa putting someone in an Excruciator.* *Fails*

**Thousand Nuns**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Portaljacker wrote:
Thousand Nuns wrote:So sisters then.....
I love all this SoB discussion don't you?

I had a brilliant idea for a themed SoB army lat night because of elections. Quebec themed sisters of battle. No I'm not French-Canadian or a separatist, I just like the place I live and their Fleur de Lis Sort of inspired me. Though I need a better name than Les Soeurs du Battaile.

Les Femme-Chevaliers de L'Empereur?

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Quebecois unite!

religieuses avec des fusils surely. Go for it, blue and white paint scheme i take it? Can't recall too many sisters in eisenhorn i'm afraid.

**Portaljacker**

Yep, no idea what colour the metal will be. I wish the PDF of the Codex had the showcase type thing to give me ideas.

**im2randomghgh**

Portaljacker wrote:Same, Liberals actually seem to have a plan for net neutrality and copyright reform, unlike anyone else! Also, Bloc only has 2 seats, they'll be dead soon enough.

I really want to do my plan for the SoB Quebec theme. Even though I haven't even done my first army.

I just got the Eisenhorn Omnibus, will I get any lengthly parts of him working with the SoB?

I know what you mean. But that's just it: liberals will Never EVER get the seat of power they deserve. With the left-of-centre voters split between them and the NDP, we won't get a man on top for another good, long while. I long for the days when we only had to contend with the PC and conservatives, when they right-of-centre voters were also split.

It is hard to progress as a people when you are focused solely on giving tax cuts to large corporations.

Especially now that he has a majority government and can veto anyone he disagrees with, except maybe the governor general.

Anyways, back on topic, I think you could theme them after the command structure of the 22é and name them Les Femme-Chevaliers de L'Empereur (already suggested the name, I know, but I think it works) while giving them our provincial white/blue for their colours scheme, a fleur-de-lys on their shoulder pads, do the full coat of arms on their leaders armour, write the je me souviens motto on the tanks, and re-name their leader Maurice Barile after the vingt-douze's famous general.

Good idea?

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Thousand Nuns wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Portaljacker wrote:
Thousand Nuns wrote:So sisters then.....
I love all this SoB discussion don't you?

I had a brilliant idea for a themed SoB army lat night because of elections. Quebec themed sisters of battle. No I'm not French-Canadian or a separatist, I just like the place I live and their Fleur de Lis Sort of inspired me. Though I need a better name than Les Soeurs du Battaile.

Les Femme-Chevaliers de L'Empereur?

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Quebecois unite!

religieuses avec des fusils surely. Go for it, blue and white paint scheme i take it? Can't recall too many sisters in eisenhorn i'm afraid.

I hope you know that isn't a translation of sister of battle, it translates as Nuns with Guns. Just thought I'd point that out in case it was a google translate fail on your part

**AlexHolker**

Melissia wrote:For now, I hope that they end up something like this:

http://commissar.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Ally&action=display&thread=10614

A lot of variety, even if it means that a lot of new units don't get models, at least that leaves conversion potential.

Sorry, but I really can't agree with that. It's got Techmarines, bikers with 2 ccws, navy dropships and Leman Russes with ordinance weapons. You've created the Sisters of Battle codex as envisioned by Ward.

**im2randomghgh**

Also, for the Sisters Quebecois (another name idea) you could also do the actual uniforms of the 22e, though they're ugly

(red with those big black q-tip hats)

**Emperors Faithful**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:Good idea. I'd much prefer to call it Codex: Adepta Sororitas. Leaves it much more open to include things such as sister's hospitalier (who I always pictured as being the equivalent of a 40k Mother Teresa).

*tries picturing Mother Teresa putting someone in an Excruciator.* *Fails*

Well, they technically don't do that. They just nurse the poor heretic back to health so that he can get tortured to within an inch of his life. Again.

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And they also help out refugee camps and such, so come on. That's about as sunny as it gets in the grimdark etc.

**Psienesis**

Hospitalers do not nurse the wounds of Heretics... when it comes to those that the Imperial Creed deems "cast from the grace of the Emperor's Light", they are utterly without mercy. This would include the xeno, the mutant and the heretic.

... and these are the nice girls of the Sororitas!

They might, I suppose, use their medical knowledge, under the direction of an Inquisitor or a Canoness, to keep a subject alive for interrogation, trial (and subsequent execution)... but probably not outside of such a situation, unless the heretic looked like any other human and kept his trap shut, so that he could conceal his true nature from the benevolent Sisters Hospitaler.

**BaronIveagh**

IIRC, it states that the Inquisition tends not to use Hospitalers due to the heretics dying before they can talk...

**Psienesis**

Which is odd, really, since the Hospitalers, in other sources, are credited with being the most popular and famous of all the orders of the Sororitas amongst Imperial citizenry, and are credited with helping minimize casualties to IG troops in war-zones and the like. I imagine that GW had the idea of WW2 candy-stripers in mind when developing the Orders Hospitalers.

Then again, were I an Inquisitor, and had the choice between some battle-field nurse-nun and a Magos Biologis, and needed to keep a prisoner alive... think I might go with the Tech-Priest.

EDIT: Of course, it is entirely possible that I read that in entirely the wrong way, reading it as a dig against Hospitaler medical skill, and not as a credit to their zeal in persecuting the heretic... working in tech support melts the brain, I now know what living like a servitor is like... but, still, I think I would go with the Tech-Priest.... because the Sister is very likely to condemn the heretic to flaming death before the Inquisition gets the information it desires... and signs the death certificate's cause of death as "sudden, acute, prolonged human combustion aided by addition of holy promethium accelerant".

**Nightwalker**

I am surprised you could say this on this site

**Melissia**

AlexHolker wrote:
Melissia wrote:For now, I hope that they end up something like this:

http://commissar.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Ally&action=display&thread=10614

A lot of variety, even if it means that a lot of new units don't get models, at least that leaves conversion potential.

Sorry, but I really can't agree with that. It's got Techmarines, bikers with 2 ccws, navy dropships and Leman Russes with ordinance weapons. You've created the Sisters of Battle codex as envisioned by Ward.

No I haven't, and screw you.

It doesn't have techmarines it has a techpriestess, and its statline was based off of the IG techpriest plus a bit to make her more balanced in the SoB codex. Oh wait, you don't realize that techpriests exists outside of the Astartes, indeed, the techmarine is BASED OFF OF the techpriest? Well, you've been educated.

Of course it has a dropship, Sisters need a way to get from point A, in space, to point B, on the ground, in a combat situation, otherwise they can't be deployed rapidly as needed by the Ecclesiarchy in a crisis situation. They are no Marines, so drop pods are out. But dropships make perfect sense for a small elite force of humans, and is not contradictory to the fluff as such things already exist.

The Leman Russ was a compromise. I refused to create a predator or land raider variant because that would be stealing from Marines. But the Leman Russ variant was at the time already taken by both Marines and Guard, therefor having it in Sisters owuld simply mean it's aother Imperial item used by another Imperial faction, much like the Rhino (which is used by at least four, in the astartes, arbites, inquisition, and sisters).

And the bikers-- yes, I did. The idea was a jousting or errant knight, as Sisters are based off of the Knights Templar/Knights Hospitaller/Teutonic Knights of old (Black Templar only came later on).

**im2randomghgh**

Well, I wouldn't say they are based off templars, as the templars were pretty much half knight/half bankers.

They are somewhere in-between Hospitallier and Teutonic about 80:20 IMHO

@ Emperor's Faithful, that isn't the sunniest 40k gets, the sunniest it gets is the 1d4chan reasonable marines and their "super-happy-korean-best-friends-forever" the Tau, peacefully negotiating for sovereignty of planets

**Phototoxin**

I thought during the ecclesiarchal shake up the templars were disbanded?

Anyway I hope sob come soon...

**larryhunkin**

Sob is my primary army the one I started with. I like the look of the models and have a pretty vast collection. What we are missing as sisters is a way to get units into combat faster. We have no infiltration units besides the assassins. No scouting units unless you include IG Sentinals. The current codex is still really strong and faith does provide a tool box of options that help. The faith system while complicated is the only thing in the codex that really gives us a fighting chance.

Lets talk about the including of priests so you can unlock options. This has to be one of the worest things you need a 40 point guy with no war gear to unlock half the codex. When you put any real gear on him he ends up being 60 to 80 points. Thats a bit silly and adds to the already inflated cost of things like Repentia. Arco Flags and Penitent engines. There is some major wholes in the codex and really when you come down to it the only thing worth fielding in numbers is plain old sisters in rhinos. How about a new faith power that provides our rhinos a mobile cover save! FNP in units of Seraphim. They should move the penitent engines to a elite slot they really don't belong in the heavy section of the codex being av11 open topped. Some options are way over priced. Our cost of rhinos with smoke is way to high. The cost of Seraphim for what they are is to high. Sisters Repentia are so over priced it is a bit silly. They need to reduce the cost of these troops or make them reflect the point cost.

I would also like to see the =I= henchmen included in the army. if they just copied that section out of the grey knights book I would be happy. I am sure they will remove the allies but why not just give us the units from the inducted section of the codex. One tank, platoons of men and a weak IG walker isn't that over powered. The style of guard we are already allowed to take doesn't make us over powered in the least.

**im2randomghgh**

Phototoxin wrote:I thought during the ecclesiarchal shake up the templars were disbanded?

Anyway I hope sob come soon...

The Templars were disbanded on charges that have since been proven false, yes, but any templar-esque 40k stuff is obviously going to be based on them during the height of the crusade.

**BaronIveagh**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Phototoxin wrote:I thought during the ecclesiarchal shake up the templars were disbanded?

Anyway I hope sob come soon...

The Templars were disbanded on charges that have since been proven false, yes, but any templar-esque 40k stuff is obviously going to be based on them during the height of the crusade.

I think he was talking about the Frateris Templars that were disbanded due to the Decree Passive.

**TheMuffinMan98**

Well phil kelly is a great writer, so im sure it will be fine.

**fox-light713**

Zweischneid wrote:
Melissia wrote:Either one of them is better than ward for me. I don't think the 'nid codex is bad anyway... it's more the FAQs that need re-writing.

Speak for yourself. Cruddace produced the most overpowered (IG) and underpowered (Nid) Codex of 5th. It clearly shows his inability in grasping the working mechanics of 40K. His treatment of the Hive War shows utter ignorance of the fluff too.

Kelly is far worse. Things like Orks-back-in-time, Wolves on a Ferris Bueller Day off in their Thunderhawk or Vect's black-hole-in-a-box make me think his is reading or watching loony-toons while writing his books, rather than 40K stuff. Reading a Kelly Codex, I always half-expect Bugs Bunny to show up as a Special Character. And worse, he is utterly incapable of "characterization". Rather, in Kelly Codexes we're treated to the most atrocious sort of expositionary writing, say, when he tells us literaly "Vect is the most intelligent and devious Dark Eldar". Captivating, really! What's more, his rules, whether Wolves or Dark Eldar produce rather bland, uniform spam-armies. All SW armies now carry Long Fangs and JotWW-spam. All DE just do the kinda-MSU Raider Spam. There is absolutely no creativity or talent there. Oh, and lets not forget Kelly's master stroke of a guy called "the Decaptiator" who wields a weapon called "the Decapitator" and decapitates people. And if he does it long enough, the world will end! I swear, if Kelly ever writes another Marine Codex, there will probably be a SC called "Bolter" who carries a "Bolter" and "bolters" people.

Given these alternatives, Mat Ward is far and wide the best codex writer they have. All his books fall fairly well into the middle of the power (or balance) category. And more importantly, they are the most diverse and flexible books. He pioneered Chapter Tactics making the Space Marine book the gold standard of versatility. Likewise, the Blood Angel Dex with the options for Mech, Jumpers, Golden Army, all-DC, MSU, Terminator Deathstar, Dread-army, etc... alone produces brings more variety to todays gaming tables than all of the Codex from Kelly and Cruddace taken together. And in his much maligned fluff writing, Ward respects previous work (e.g. Hive War... compare his version to Cruddace version), actually made Necrons interesting and truly inscrutable for the fist time (Blood Angel alliance) and brilliantly re-invented the Grey Knights (Terminus Decree, Chapter Founding, Purifier Fortress, etc..).

I take a Ward Codex over the inept scribbling of the others any day.

So I take it you have no Idea how many people hate mat ward for what he's written.

Why don't you take a look a these.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357650.page
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward

I'll take a Phil Kelly codex over a ward any day. Besides the previous edition of the SW supplement codex wasn't any better on the naming than the current one is.

**Melissia**

im2randomghgh wrote:Well, I wouldn't say they are based off templars, as the templars were pretty much half knight/half bankers.

Go read about the Sisters Famulous of the Adepta Sororitas.

They basically manage the finances and households of ninety percent of the Imperium's nobility, as well as intermarriages and so on, and probably have a hand in the finances of the church as well.

**larryhunkin**

Melissia I just finished reading over your codex rewrite. I think it is well done. I love some of the changes you made. How long ago did you write that up? I am a bit worried that in our new codex they will make all the sisters i3 bs 3 and ws 3. It does seem the way they are going with humans in the current edition of the game. If they do end up doing that lets hope they then give them powers that compensate for it. Like faith powers that boost them up so they are even with if not better then they are now.

**halonachos**

larryhunkin wrote:Melissia I just finished reading over your codex rewrite. I think it is well done. I love some of the changes you made. How long ago did you write that up? I am a bit worried that in our new codex they will make all the sisters i3 bs 3 and ws 3. It does seem the way they are going with humans in the current edition of the game. If they do end up doing that lets hope they then give them powers that compensate for it. Like faith powers that boost them up so they are even with if not better then they are now.

No, sisters will have I3,BS3, WS3, and cost 5 points more. If Team Ninja writes the codex sisters will have the 'obdient' rule which makes them take a leadership test to see if the Emperor allows them to actually use anything besides a bolter.

I was reading the criticism about sisters using a Leman Russ and I wonder why someone would criticize that? The Leman Russ and Chimera are pretty much universal tools for any imperial army, except for space marines who weigh just about as much as a Leman Russ. Although anything used by sisters will have to have the obligatory flamer attached to it. Bikes are nothing special in the imperium as well, people convert IG roughriders as riding cycles of some kind(I personally use Scout bikes) because horses are much rarer to most planets.

There are afew criticisms I have towards certain weapons, but nothing like "they shouldor shouldn't have that". The marskman rifle you have is a 30" sniper rifle with another option of it being a 24" rapid fire weapon, the 30" for a sniper range seems too short for me.

The vengeance cannon is another issue. You say its ordnance and a small blast, which is impossible because ordnance uses a large blast template always. Simple fix by adding the ordnance rules to it.

R72", S8 AP1, Small Blast. When rolling for armor penetration, roll 2D6 and choose the highest result. When rolling the scatter dice, a direct hit applies 2d6 penetration, apply previously mentioned rule to both D6.

**Melissia**

larryhunkin wrote:Melissia I just finished reading over your codex rewrite. I think it is well done. I love some of the changes you made. How long ago did you write that up? I am a bit worried that in our new codex they will make all the sisters i3 bs 3 and ws 3. It does seem the way they are going with humans in the current edition of the game. If they do end up doing that lets hope they then give them powers that compensate for it. Like faith powers that boost them up so they are even with if not better then they are now.

Basic Battle Sisters ARE I3/WS3. It's the elites-- Celestians and Seraphim-- who are WS4/I4. Sure they're all BS4, but then again they all have, bare minimum, the training of a Stormtrooper as far as marksmanship goes.

**halonachos**

Melissia wrote:
larryhunkin wrote:Melissia I just finished reading over your codex rewrite. I think it is well done. I love some of the changes you made. How long ago did you write that up? I am a bit worried that in our new codex they will make all the sisters i3 bs 3 and ws 3. It does seem the way they are going with humans in the current edition of the game. If they do end up doing that lets hope they then give them powers that compensate for it. Like faith powers that boost them up so they are even with if not better then they are now.
Basic Battle Sisters ARE I3/WS3. It's the elites-- Celestians and Seraphim-- who are WS4/I4. Sure they're all BS4, but then again they all have, bare minimum, the training of a Stormtrooper as far as marksmanship goes.

Aren't stormtroopers and sisters put through the same kind of training similar to a commissar? I swear in the last IG codex they said that the Imperium took orphans and indoctrinated them as they raised them. They then trained them in basics and split them amongst the Commissariat, Stormtrooper, and Eccleshiariat(IIRC).

**larryhunkin**

melissia I was taking about as a basic stat line for all of the sisters. And they removed stormtroopers from the Grey Knights. It has me a bit worried as a sisters player. I agree sisters are the best trained and it makes sense that some of them would be faster or better shots. The henchmen of the =I= in the grey knight codex are all BS3 makes me wonder if all the sisters will also be bs3. I hope they don't do that to them it would weaken there chances to hit by a large margin.

**Melissia**

larryhunkin wrote:melissia I was taking about as a basic stat line for all of the sisters.

I know, and you were wrong about the stats for basic sisters, whom are currently I3/WS3.

And so what if they removed stormtroopers from the GK dex? Stormtroopers in the IG dex are BS4. Hell, mere veteran guardsmen are BS4.

**halonachos**

I wouldn't imagine a person wearing power armor with anything less than a BS of 4 myself. There's a reason they have that shiny armor you know. They should have BS4 unless they remove the power armor and give them a 4+ save.

But with recent trends the SoB are going to be broken until the next army's codex comes out.

**Melissia**

They aren't gonna change Sisters to carapace. That would be as hefty a recon as saying all marines now go around in flak armor.

**halonachos**

Melissia wrote:
larryhunkin wrote:melissia I was taking about as a basic stat line for all of the sisters.
I know, and you were wrong about the stats for basic sisters, whom are currently I3/WS3.

And so what if they removed stormtroopers from the GK dex? Stormtroopers in the IG dex are BS4. Hell, mere veteran guardsmen are BS4.

Hey, don't say mere veteran guardsmen. You try surviving with a 5+ armor save, they earned that BS4.

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Melissia wrote:They aren't gonna change Sisters to carapace. That would be as hefty a recon as saying all marines now go around in flak armor.

That's my point, it most likely won't happen and anything with an armor save of 3+ tends to be BS4.