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yeah well the stormtroopers we where speaking off where the same in GK as they are in WH codex's. They did away with the bs4 stormtroopers and made the equivalent warrior acolyte bs3 and he can purchase power armor. So he can have a bolter and power armor and still be BS3. Saying all people in power armor have bs4 just isn't accurate now when you look at the henchmen squads in =I= section of the grey knight codex.

larryhunkin wrote:yeah well the stormtroopers we where speaking off where the same in GK as they are in WH codex's. They did away with the bs4 stormtroopers and made the equivalent warrior acolyte bs3 and he can purchase power armor. So he can have a bolter and power armor and still be BS3. Saying all people in power armor have bs4 just isn't accurate now when you look at the henchmen squads in =I= section of the grey knight codex.

Actually, it hasn't been true for even longer than that. In the WH Codex itself, Acolyte Henchmen can take Power Armor and they are only BS 3.

And they aren't Sisters of Battle, they're Inquisitorial acolytes. Frankly, having played Dark Heresy, hitting fifty percent of the time is GOOD for an Inquisitorial acolyte.

fox-light713 wrote:http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward

*reads*

LOL!

That's awesome. I'm sending that to my group right now.

There's a friend in our group who never swears. Never. Ever. After looking through the GK Codex is uttered a word I've not heard him use before: Rape. When he uses a word like that, it's hit the fan.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

larryhunkin wrote:yeah well the stormtroopers we where speaking off where the same in GK as they are in WH codex's. They did away with the bs4 stormtroopers and made the equivalent warrior acolyte bs3 and he can purchase power armor. So he can have a bolter and power armor and still be BS3. Saying all people in power armor have bs4 just isn't accurate now when you look at the henchmen squads in =I= section of the grey knight codex.

Actually, it hasn't been true for even longer than that. In the WH Codex itself, Acolyte Henchmen can take Power Armor and they are only BS 3.

Note I said 'tends' which means it applies to a majority but there may be some that don't follow the rule. "Smoking tends to give people lung cancer" for example.

That and they don't naturally come with the power armor compared to the Space marines, SoB, and CSM who come standard with power armor and have BS4. The only thing I can think of that naturally comes with power armor and is BS3 is the Techpriest for some reason.

That and they don't naturally come with the power armor compared to the Space marines, SoB, and CSM who come standard with power armor and have BS4. The only thing I can think of that naturally comes with power armor and is BS3 is the Techpriest for some reason.

Well and also the Space Wolf Blood Claws, Sky Claw jump pack assault troops, and Swiftclaw bikers.

Small rumour by ghost21: There will be a plastic penitent engine and new priest kit.

roadkizzle wrote:

That and they don't naturally come with the power armor compared to the Space marines, SoB, and CSM who come standard with power armor and have BS4. The only thing I can think of that naturally comes with power armor and is BS3 is the Techpriest for some reason.

Well and also the Space Wolf Blood Claws, Sky Claw jump pack assault troops, and Swiftclaw bikers.

The force organization for SW is different than regular SM.

Blood Claws, Sky Claw's, and Swift claw's are the SW equivalent of SM scouts where they are both Initiates. That is the only reason that they have the BS3

That is true. That is the fluff reason the designers decided on, that scouts no longer get the same WS/BS of their tactical brothers.

But, the question was not "Are there any power armored units that are not the equivalent training as SM scouts."
The question was "Are there any units that are come with power armour with BS 3?" The fact that Blood Claws are the SW equivalent to SM scouts has no bearing because the power armour is not an upgrade for these units, it comes standard.

No, the question was "is it likely that they will reduce Sisters to BS3", and the answer is "lol no".

Yes, I know that the overall discussion was about Sisters being reduced to BS 3. I seriously hope they aren't.

But, I was replying to halonachos, who was saying that all units naturally have power armor have BS 4. He was saying that he couldn't think of any units that naturally come with power armor yet were BS 3 except for Techpriests. I was pointing out that there are more units than that, in the younger battle-brothers for the Space Wolves.

roadkizzle wrote:Yes, I know that the overall discussion was about Sisters being reduced to BS 3. I seriously hope they aren't.

But, I was replying to halonachos, who was saying that all units naturally have power armor have BS 4. He was saying that he couldn't think of any units that naturally come with power armor yet were BS 3 except for Techpriests. I was pointing out that there are more units than that, in the younger battle-brothers for the Space Wolves.

Really, despite the fact that I said "tend to" instead of "always" you're still going to bring this up? Basic units with Power Armor tend to have a BS of 4. Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, Grey Hunters, etc.

Space wolves have three units and the techpriest himself makes it 4 total. There are a lot more units that come with a standard Sv-3+ and a BS-4 than those that don't, so yes they tend to have a BS-4 if they have a Sv-3+.

I mean, geeze its just a common trend.

Sisters won't have a BS-3, they'll most likely stay BS-4 and they should be rather strong, maybe some forgeworld vehicles(if SoB do have forgeworld vehicles) will be thrown in along with some nice and shiny new vehicles.

There is no basis for Tech Priest Sisters in any existing fluff.

Something I always wondered why do almost all SoB have bob haircuts? I guess from a tactical standpoint shorter hair makes sense. Guess I answered my own question.

If that were the case shorter or braided would be better, wouldn't it?

Amaya wrote:There is no basis for Tech Priest Sisters in any existing fluff.

Look at it this way. Every Imperial army has ties with the Mechanicum why not the Sisters too. After all they need someone to maintain their sometimes very ancient gear and it won't be the Battle Sisters themselves as they spend all their "spare time" training and praying.

cyrax777 wrote:Something I always wondered why do almost all SoB have bob haircuts? I guess from a tactical standpoint shorter hair makes sense. Guess I answered my own question.

To give them that nice Joan of Arc look. It makes sense to me, as many religious orders have 'standard hairstyles.' Look at that order of monks with the bald spot, for example. I forget which one it is.

andrewm9 wrote:

Amaya wrote:There is no basis for Tech Priest Sisters in any existing fluff.

Look at it this way. Every Imperial army has ties with the Mechanicum why not the Sisters too. After all they need someone to maintain their sometimes very ancient gear and it won't be the Battle Sisters themselves as they spend all their "spare time" training and praying.

However, the Ecclesiarchy and the Adeptus Mechanicus have always been at odds. A tech-sister in the manner of a tech-marine doesn't make sense to me.

Amaya wrote:There is no basis for Tech Priest Sisters in any existing fluff.

I never said that tech priest sisters existed, although the presence of a techpriest is altogether possible. Every army needs someone to look after their vehicles and techpriests or techmarines are so far the only choices.

Yes, what halonachos said makes more sense. An attached techpriest would be tolerated by either side, although they'd probably both deeply resent it.

htj wrote:Yes, what halonachos said makes more sense. An attached techpriest would be tolerated by either side, although they'd probably both deeply resent it.

I don't think the techpriest would care so much, as long as the Sisters used their vehicles properly and I think that the sisters are disciplined enough to not use Chimeras as racecars or a fishing boat.

halonachos wrote:

htj wrote:Yes, what halonachos said makes more sense. An attached techpriest would be tolerated by either side, although they'd probably both deeply resent it.

I don't think the techpriest would care so much, as long as the Sisters used their vehicles properly and I think that the sisters are disciplined enough to not use Chimeras as racecars or a fishing boat.

But they'd get their faith all over them. He'd constantly catch them painting "The Emperor roolz, ok" on the sides of them, and such. Might be projecting a kind of St. Trinians vibe on the sisters here...

I'm sure they'd follow up by painting "Cult Mechanicus is rubbish!" and "Celestine 4 Fab-Gen" on their other immolators, get chased around by some tech-priests waving axes and throwing grenades, and end the segment with a pithy quote about people in that part of the galaxy starting to breed with machines.

halonachos wrote:Sisters won't have a BS-3, they'll most likely stay BS-4 and they should be rather strong, maybe some forgeworld vehicles(if SoB do have forgeworld vehicles) will be thrown in along with some nice and shiny new vehicles.

We have one, precisely ONE forge world vehicle. It's just a rhino with more firing ports and a heavy flamer basically, and even then was originally an Arbites vehicle that was given to Sisters as a favor (and because GW realized that they can't sell very many Repressors if they're tied solely to Arbitrators).


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Amaya wrote:There is no basis for Tech Priest Sisters in any existing fluff.

So? New fluff is created all the time.

Melissia wrote: New fluff is created all the time.

To back that up, Grey Knights now have a tech marine despite never having one before. not only is he a tech marine but he is psychic too. In the past we have heard that mechanicus implants (the ones sued by tech priests and tech marines) often hinder the psychic genes in humanity. So its not entirely unprecedented that Sisters may get some tech-whatever variant.

andrewm9 wrote:

Melissia wrote: New fluff is created all the time.

To back that up, Grey Knights now have a tech marine despite never having one before. not only is he a tech marine but he is psychic too. In the past we have heard that mechanicus implants (the ones sued by tech priests and tech marines) often hinder the psychic genes in humanity. So its not entirely unprecedented that Sisters may get some tech-whatever variant.

There is no reason for there to be a "Priestess of the Machine". Allowing them to take a regular Techpriest would be tolerable.

andrewm9 wrote:

Melissia wrote: New fluff is created all the time.

To back that up, Grey Knights now have a tech marine despite never having one before. not only is he a tech marine but he is psychic too. In the past we have heard that mechanicus implants (the ones sued by tech priests and tech marines) often hinder the psychic genes in humanity. So its not entirely unprecedented that Sisters may get some tech-whatever variant.

And a psychic one at that. I wouldn't like it, though, and I'd nerd-sulk about it for weeks. I'd do my best to keep it off the forums though, plenty would take care of that for me.

Amaya wrote:
There is no reason for there to be a "Priestess of the Machine". Allowing them to take a regular Techpriest would be tolerable.

What may I ask makes it so intolerable to you? To me it makes sense to not have an actual tech priest around lest either of the factions tolerance of the other's faith be tested too much.

andrewm9 wrote:

Amaya wrote:
There is no reason for there to be a "Priestess of the Machine". Allowing them to take a regular Techpriest would be tolerable.

What may I ask makes it so intolerable to you? To me it makes sense to not have an actual tech priest around lest either of the factions tolerance of the other's faith be tested too much.

Perhaps that in an army defined by it's veneration of the Emperor as the true and only god, one of them is worshipping the Omnissiah. Or, making Sisters more like Space Marines is a bad thing. Those would be the reasons I would find it objectionable, at least.

I might point out that in fluff tech priests do come in male and female. Just not in any GW sculpts because GW can't do women to save it's life.

And there's are even tech preists that worship the Emperor as the Emperor, see Blood of Martyrs.

If you had read the actual unit's fluff, which you did not I should note, it was part of a compromise between the Sororitas and the Mechanicus. A number of Novitiates skilled in technical work are to be trained as techpriests while maintaining their Sororitas duties, with the justification that the Omnissiah is the Emperor, and the two organizations want to ease their relations in order to combat real enemies. To add a bit of grimdark to it, elements of the ecclesiarchy and inquisition aren't all that fond of this decision. But not everything has to be stupidly grimdark. The Imperial organizations DO cooperate with eachother occasionally to the benefit of both!