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There are 6 loyalist marine codices (Nilla, SW, BA, BT, DA, GK) I think they should get rid of all of them except Vanilla, and then add one extra codex that is for first-founding chapters, as they are always the greatest marines, and this way they could add more specialized special characters/units.

Better yet, make it one codex, wile great for beginners, they're weapons can be a bit OP

earth-star wrote:Better yet, make it one codex, wile great for beginners, they're weapons can be a bit OP

I'm a big fan of the one marine codex idea, because I think it would be much less cumbersome, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Right now, we have a lot of marine chapters combined into C:SM. The way it's set up, you can take SCs from different chapters in the same army – that is, I can take Vulkan and Pedro in the same list. It upsets purists, but it doesn't throw off the balance of things too much, and there is a cap.

However, you are going to run into troubles taking the other marine codices AS IS and incorporating them into the main SM book. There are a lot more SCs for each chapter, and they also get special units that are unique to their codex. Unless you strip all that away and standardize costs, or set up the book in different "chapters" (pardon the terrible, unintentional pun), each with a separate army listing, etc, then you will run into an issue where new players could be confused as to why their Deathwing can't include GK terminators, or why they can't run Mephiston and Long Fangs in the same list.

Xeno players can decry all of the attention that the marine chapters have gotten, often in preference of updating xeno codices, but the fact remains that a lot of people play specific marine chapters, and a lot of people enjoy the flavor and offerings of these books, and it would be a logistical nightmare to blend it all into one binding, if not unrealistic altogether, and potentially incomprehensible to new players.

It wouldn't be that difficult really. Look at BA's for instance. They outright share 80% of their units with C:SM. Most of the rest are variants of common units (e.g. Baal pred, Furioso Dread vs Ironclad, etc) that could be combined into a common, or at least variable, entry. In the end, you'd really only need to add maybe 1-3 units from each book and make allowances for some variation in options for most of the rest, and many units, probably half or more, wound't need changing at all. The biggest issue would be SC's, but not insurmountable by any means.

That way, we'd avoid the issues of multiple different versions of vehicles/wargear/weapons and wild variations in costing across what should be fairly identical armies. No more having some SM armies 10 years out of date relative to the newest one, etc. And lets be honest, it's not like a huge number of marine players aren't already treating the loyalist SM books as one single book already. You can take a C:SM army, and run it as C:BA or CA or C:SW or C:BT often only having to swap a dozen or fewer models (or none) between these books. Hell, at Adepticon 90% of the SW armies were "counts as" armies from other SM books, so it's not like people don't do this already.

I say Eldar, Just Doom everything and Fortune themselves. All those rerolls suck.

At my FLGS we call them J.E.B.S.

Stand for : Janky Eldar Bull S***

tavoittamaton wrote:

earth-star wrote:Better yet, make it one codex, wile great for beginners, they're weapons can be a bit OP

I'm a big fan of the one marine codex idea, because I think it would be much less cumbersome, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Right now, we have a lot of marine chapters combined into C:SM. The way it's set up, you can take SCs from different chapters in the same army – that is, I can take Vulkan and Pedro in the same list. It upsets purists, but it doesn't throw off the balance of things too much, and there is a cap.

However, you are going to run into troubles taking the other marine codices AS IS and incorporating them into the main SM book. There are a lot more SCs for each chapter, and they also get special units that are unique to their codex. Unless you strip all that away and standardize costs, or set up the book in different "chapters" (pardon the terrible, unintentional pun), each with a separate army listing, etc, then you will run into an issue where new players could be confused as to why their Deathwing can't include GK terminators, or why they can't run Mephiston and Long Fangs in the same list.

Xeno players can decry all of the attention that the marine chapters have gotten, often in preference of updating xeno codices, but the fact remains that a lot of people play specific marine chapters, and a lot of people enjoy the flavor and offerings of these books, and it would be a logistical nightmare to blend it all into one binding, if not unrealistic altogether, and potentially incomprehensible to new players.

Here's a pretty simple solution. Make it so that the Special Characters can ONLY be taken with their chapter, and if you take a special character, he can be accompanied by a chapter-specific unit.

I.E. take Mephiston and get Sanguinary Guard, Njal and get Wolfguard etc.

Eldar, seriously, they're gypsy clowns, and they completely look like they want to taste the rainbow.

Vaktathi wrote:It wouldn't be that difficult really. Look at BA's for instance. They outright share 80% of their units with C:SM. Most of the rest are variants of common units (e.g. Baal pred, Furioso Dread vs Ironclad, etc) that could be combined into a common, or at least variable, entry. In the end, you'd really only need to add maybe 1-3 units from each book and make allowances for some variation in options for most of the rest, and many units, probably half or more, wound't need changing at all. The biggest issue would be SC's, but not insurmountable by any means.

remember when the 5th edition CSM codex came out, and people were using their blood angels to proxy them, and vice versa, players learned that the two armies shared a lot of similar wargear. It was then, many players, at least in my area decided to use the assault marines over the CSM models, due to cross compatability.


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tavoittamaton wrote:

earth-star wrote:Better yet, make it one codex, wile great for beginners, they're weapons can be a bit OP

I'm a big fan of the one marine codex idea, because I think it would be much less cumbersome, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Right now, we have a lot of marine chapters combined into C:SM. The way it's set up, you can take SCs from different chapters in the same army – that is, I can take Vulkan and Pedro in the same list. It upsets purists, but it doesn't throw off the balance of things too much, and there is a cap.

However, you are going to run into troubles taking the other marine codices AS IS and incorporating them into the main SM book. There are a lot more SCs for each chapter, and they also get special units that are unique to their codex. Unless you strip all that away and standardize costs, or set up the book in different "chapters" (pardon the terrible, unintentional pun), each with a separate army listing, etc, then you will run into an issue where new players could be confused as to why their Deathwing can't include GK terminators, or why they can't run Mephiston and Long Fangs in the same list.

Xeno players can decry all of the attention that the marine chapters have gotten, often in preference of updating xeno codices, but the fact remains that a lot of people play specific marine chapters, and a lot of people enjoy the flavor and offerings of these books, and it would be a logistical nightmare to blend it all into one binding, if not unrealistic altogether, and potentially incomprehensible to new players.

Very true

All SMs could be combined into one MEGADEX(tm) or better, a MEGADEX and a second book for all the variant lists, requiring said MEGADEX.

But most of all, the Dark Angels should be done away with. They are a codex chapter, like BA's, but unlike them, they dont have any genitic defects or special equipment. Don't let you say "bbbb-but ravenwing!" because all other SM chapters have TWO bike companies and a land speeder company. Heck, I cant even think of a good chapter tactics idea for them.

While the Dark Angels stand as their own book, FOR NO REASON, I will continue to rage. Also, if a SM slot opens up, pick a non codex SM chapter that doesnt have rules. Maybe, I dunno, a first fonding one? With unorthadox equipment, outlook and orgainization to drive the BA and sons of Russ mad? How about one that Doesn't worship the Emperor? There are 10 good options fitting that bill, and ya kow who has their own Codex, let alone special charecter? NOT the Iron Hands, NOT any Chaos Legion, but the Dark, Mutha****in Angels of all people. OK, they are cool to some people, and have a rich backround, heck they have their own model range. That doesnt mean that they are better than the Salamanders or their bros in mastercrafting when Codexes are being passed out.


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I say in with Soul Drinkers out with Dark Angels

Dark Angels... more specifically CheeseWing.

At AUSCON almost every SM chapter that attended was equalled by Deathwing lists.

Poorly dipped Bleached Bone cheese lists abound almost every 2nd table I viewed on the first day.

Sickening.

Choose either Dark Angels, or Black Templars. They're too similar.

King Pariah wrote:I say in with Soul Drinkers out with Dark Angels

OMG that was EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read the previous post...They have all kinds of weird mutations, abilities, and best of all: ARE RENEGADE! a special chapter that isn't loyal or chaos...awesome...Plus I want a Sarpedon model.

Yay, witch hunters are the second least hated army, with Orks being the least hated.

I just can't stand orkz.

Wow I'm surprised nobody is hating on the Necrons, they're so hax with their freakin wwbb and their gauss weaponry.

And its because I hate them that I began to play them.

Melissia wrote:Yay, witch hunters are the second least hated army, with Orks being the least hated.

...because no one really cares about them...


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Whatsit Tooya wrote:Wow I'm surprised nobody is hating on the Necrons, they're so hax with their freakin wwbb and their gauss weaponry.

And its because I hate them that I began to play them.

Awesome sig.

+1

Why thank you.

Oh and could anybody tell me where the Blood Angles help the Necrons because a lot of my local gamers hate the Blood Angles for helping them but I can't find where they did.

Whatsit Tooya wrote:Wow I'm surprised nobody is hating on the Necrons, they're so hax with their freakin wwbb and their gauss weaponry.

And its because I hate them that I began to play them.

I think everyone is hating on them less because of the new update we're about to experience which nerfs WBB and Gauss and Warscythes... (But we're supposed to be getting a 72" S9 AP1 Large Blast/Heavy 1 gun though and Phase Out is supposed to be eliminated, still down about Warscythes being nerfed)

Wait, where did you hear this? Are they really going to get rid of wbb?

No, not getting rid of it, but apparently it's going to be turned into a 5+ Feel No Pain that can be rolled even against hits from something that would normally cancel it out.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/365775.page



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and considering he is the administrator, I think we can trust what he posted more or less

You should rename this poll to who kicked my ass last.

Tau and their frigging bubble eyes and anime babes...
and they look like voldemort. that can only mean one thing.....AVADAKADAVRA!!!

GreyKnightful wrote:Tau and their frigging bubble eyes and anime babes...
and they look like voldemort. that can only mean one thing.....AVADAKADAVRA!!!

I bet you'd think different if you had a 3.8 tonne+ battlesuit drop out of the sky and turn you into liquid with it's railgun.

Despite that particular pic being anime, they are no more anime than some of the other WH40K cheese.

Dreadknights (optimus prime knock-off)

Dreadnoughts

Knights

Titans

Sentinels

Basically any walker actually...

But a 20 battlesuit army is a daunting foe, and can fit into a FoC.

9 in the elite section
Shas'O+two body guards (three suits)
Farsight Deathstar squad (eight suits)




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Plus XV9s, you can get 6 (9?) of them in there too

And broadsides...

Necrons, dam ugly minitures and they are blander then water. Followed directly by IG, exactly the same reason,

Space Wolves...

CC Fluff/theme

1 of the strongest shooty armies in the game


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hellrai3er wrote:Necrons, dam ugly minitures and they are blander then water. Followed directly by IG, exactly the same reason,

I completely agree

Space Wolves. For a weird reason. There was this one old dude who plays them and has been since pre 2005. God he was so mean to me as a kid. I was probably being annoying but one time I decided to be polite and ask him what army he played. "I don't play an army, its called a chapter." The redshirt was like, "Calm down, he's new" "No, he needs to know"

Mewiththeface wrote:Space Wolves. For a weird reason. There was this one old dude who plays them and has been since pre 2005. God he was so mean to me as a kid. I was probably being annoying but one time I decided to be polite and ask him what army he played. "I don't play an army, its called a chapter." The redshirt was like, "Calm down, he's new" "No, he needs to know"

Wow...that's...rather silly. The only proper response to that I can think of is "thank you for educating me, I'll find another game".

I wasn't playing him. I was playing a small battle with as friend to try and figure out how it works with a redshirt running things.