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halonachos wrote:I look at price too though, I could get more than 10 nagants for the price of one 1903.
But once you have one Nagant... might as well buy a few more
I still want a 1903, but when I buy WW2 MilSurp, I only buy war issue... which makes buying the American guns a PITA as ever since Saving Private Ryan came out the prices on them have gone through the roof.
AIM surplus has some weapons, the 1903's they have were unissued I think though.
@ Melissia, it does look dorky but in a quote they said that if something wrong with the 19895 it can most likely be fixed with a hammer.
Your a bad man, if I buy that gun your answering to the old lady on why she isn't eating this week.
Also true on the feed ramp thing, my buddy did mention he had to grind his down a bit on his 10mm.
They also just got some M44's in stock, which is why I am now in a pickle, I planned to get the 1895 but they were sold out earlier and got their shipment back in along with the M44s. They also have Walthers and some other nice things, sorry about living on ramen for awhile though.
2011/08/21 05:29:43
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
I wouldn't buy any vintage weapon listed as unissued off of the internet. Most of the US surplus one were slammed through arsenals after WWII and then sat in National Guard armories until 20 years ago or so. Most of them have replacement parts and cannot be considered unissued as a collectible. Mint working order perhaps, but not "unissued".
I just looked at the AIM website, those 03's are a damn rip off. A frankenstein of a rifle that is not even close to being worth $800. $450 at the most.
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1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
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2011/08/21 05:30:48
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
Stormrider wrote:I wouldn't buy any vintage weapon listed as unissued off of the internet. Most of the US surplus one were slammed through arsenals after WWII and then sat in National Guard armories until 20 years ago or so. Most of them have replacement parts and cannot be considered unissued as a collectible. Mint working order perhaps, but not "unissued".
I have a barrel manufactured in North Carolina on my 91/30, sometimes it helps to have replacement parts for the sake of them actually working.
My bad though, they're refurbished using original parts.
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2011/08/21 05:31:08
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
Revolvers CAN go out of battery, but my 101 was my truck gun for years. And that 8shot tactical .357 SWAT pistol both makes me laugh, and nash my teeth in jealousy, I forget the name of it, hell there could be more then one out now, but I feel so conflicted on it. And hell, I'll take 6 shots of .357 of 6 of .45 ACP
These are the ones I'm looking at now, still keeping the Colt model 01991 in mind...
Spoiler:
SIG Sauer P250, possibly the compact (but not subcompact) version for concealed carry.
Same company, but P220 DAK, designed specifically for concealed carry according to their website, but I am not familiar with SIG Sauer's DAK trigger.
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Kimber, the safe queen harleys of 1911 fan boys...
I love Kimber's, really I do, but way, way to many people drop 2 grand on one then hide it in the back of a safe and never shoot it, it makes me cry.
/agree
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2011/08/21 05:34:55
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
Also, if you ever plan on buying a K98 for historic value, don't buy from http://www.mauser.org/ >_< unless they cleaned up their act, they were restamping the guns claiming they were what they were not.
It does, but I'm wondering about the DAK trigger. Double Action I get, but I dunno waht the K means? Is it representative of DA Only?
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Melissia wrote:These are the ones I'm looking at now, still keeping the Colt model 01991 in mind...
Spoiler:
SIG Sauer P250, possibly the compact (but not subcompact) version for concealed carry.
Same company, but P220 DAK, designed specifically for concealed carry according to their website, but I am not familiar with SIG Sauer's DAK trigger.
I do recommend the Sig over the 1911, having fired only the Sig though (and not that model) but since you plan on carrying, I really think it will serve you better. Though rent both if you can.
Stormrider wrote:I wouldn't buy any vintage weapon listed as unissued off of the internet. Most of the US surplus one were slammed through arsenals after WWII and then sat in National Guard armories until 20 years ago or so. Most of them have replacement parts and cannot be considered unissued as a collectible. Mint working order perhaps, but not "unissued".
I have a barrel manufactured in North Carolina on my 91/30, sometimes it helps to have replacement parts for the sake of them actually working.
My bad though, they're refurbished using original parts.
For functionality's sake, certainly, but for collecting... Any time a rifle gets altered it loses most of it's collectable value. I cannot stand going to gun shows and seeing slap dash M1 Carbines with an IBM receiver, WRA barrel, Korean Marked Stock and an Inland trigger group be priced at $800-$1000. It's frustrating to no end.
I'm a collector first, shooter second and tinkerer last. I'll gladly restore a rifle to it's rightful condition, but I would never sell it as factory original. That's harmful to the gun community as well as posterity interested in buying said firearms.
Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" - Put Away
1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
Certainly the handgrips of the SIG Sauer weapons look much better designed than those of the Colt government model ones...
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Melissia wrote:It does, but I'm wondering about the DAK trigger. Double Action I get, but I dunno waht the K means? Is it representative of DA Only?
From what I understand it's DA Only, but with a lighter pull and reset, sorta like the glocks.
So basically ideal for concealed carry when you need to pull the trigger faster?
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@Stormrider, look up AIM surplus and look at their rifles to find the 1903's they have for sale. I like them for their Mosin's myself just because they come with a lot of stuff for about the same price including s&h and transfer fees.
2011/08/21 05:40:51
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
This is true, but I have seen a lot more FTEx, FTEj, FTFs and doublefeeds in autos than with revolver timing going bad EXCEPT when some noobcake decides he wants to be a cool guy and start flipping his cylinder closed with one hand like he sees in the movies.
From what I understand it's DA Only, but with a lighter pull and reset, sorta like the glocks.
Reminds me of the pistol my aunt and uncle showed me. bought this pistol from a dude for $100 bucks, it's in horrible shape but the chickens were still visible as well as the FN logo, was confused as hell, turned out to be a war issue Browning Hi Power made in Belgium during the war.
Sadly, it's so trashed it's most likely worthless, but was very cool to say the least.
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SOFDC wrote:
Revolvers CAN go out of battery
This is true, but I have seen a lot more FTEx, FTEj, FTFs and doublefeeds in autos than with revolver timing going bad EXCEPT when some noobcake decides he wants to be a cool guy and start flipping his cylinder closed with one hand like he sees in the movies.
From what I understand it's DA Only, but with a lighter pull and reset, sorta like the glocks.
Sadly, it's so trashed it's most likely worthless, but was very cool to say the least.
If you really want to find out, you could take it to a gunsmith. Or get the bead blaster out, strip the frame and slide, and then replace the barrel and innards.
I always felt Glocks had horrible triggers my self, but I'm so used to the M9 with it's external safety that anything else feels wrong to me.
I always liked the long, consistent pulls of AK and Glock triggers, so it was a very easy jump for me. The 92F and Ruger...Eh. Hated the different triggers depending on whether it was my first shot or not.
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Well that at least gives me a few options for guns I need to try out.
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2011/08/21 05:50:28
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
Sadly, it's so trashed it's most likely worthless, but was very cool to say the least.
If you really want to find out, you could take it to a gunsmith. Or get the bead blaster out, strip the frame and slide, and then replace the barrel and innards.
I told them to take it to a smith, their kinda... back woods, so doubt they will. Maybe I can buy it off em eventually. I had some photos but can't find em, was a cool piece of history though.
Now, as far as fantasy guns I'd love to own but wouldn't want to use for self defense...
Spoiler:
But these two aren't gonna happen any time soon. One that is more feasible is this:
Spoiler:
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Melissia wrote:Now, as far as fantasy guns I'd love to own but wouldn't want to use for self defense...
Spoiler:
But these two aren't gonna happen any time soon.
Well, if were discussing "fantasy gun" wants...put me down for one of these...
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...All jokes aside, Mellisa good luck on your search, I suggest shopping around a bit and if possiable ,test firing the firearms that interest you to find what you are most comfortable with.
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2011/08/21 06:01:29
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
I have some hands-on time with the .44 Raging Bull...I enjoyed it. With that massive lump of metal hanging off the front called a barrel, which is ported, and the grip...it really didn't feel any rougher on my hands than my .40 Glocks or 4 inch S&W 66. Don't like the yoke and crane assembly though, which has a two handed set up of releases exactly to prevent one handing the cylinder and it seemed a bit...Delicate. I'd take a ported S&W 629 or Anaconda in a heartbeat though.
halonachos wrote:@Stormrider, look up AIM surplus and look at their rifles to find the 1903's they have for sale. I like them for their Mosin's myself just because they come with a lot of stuff for about the same price including s&h and transfer fees.
Those are all refurbished. Too expensive IMO. Original Remington 2-Twist Barrels that they probably found in crates, still sitting in the grease wrap. With Smith-Corona receivers, a great old mismatch.
Those Mosin's are many of the millions pouring in from the former USSR and aren't worth a damn since 99.9% have import markings. Nearly all of them have factory rebuilds and were pretty crude to begin with. I had a 1942 Ishvesk M91/30, It was okay, but it wasn't really worth keeping since it was an import. Sold it with ammo and the gear for $200.
I have held an original (save for one barrel band screw!) 1903A4 Sniper with a Weaver scope, it was $4000. Damn I would have liked to have had it, but the real thing is so much more expensive than a clone for $1,000.
None of those rehash US surplus guns on there are really that amazing. They're fine space fillers I guess. I have multiple local gun stores I could go to and easily could pick up a 1943 1903A3 with a maybe a slight rebuild (few small parts replaced at an arsenal) for $500.
I'm kind of a snob when it comes to collectible firearms, give me original or don't bother.
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1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
Heh, I used a different definition (IE, I fantasize about owning said weapons), but still.
I loathe how the phaser looks. For some reason it reminds me of a drug injector from a certain stealth-based first person shooter...
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2011/08/21 06:04:01
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
I'm picky about revolvers, I admit-- I don't like S&W's revolver visual styles most of the time. But their 629 model does look good. Just not as good as the Raging Bull or Anaconda.
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Sckitzo wrote:I so want a Scar 17....
Indeed, it looks like an excellent firing range weapon. Heck, one could possibly even use it as a hunting rifle, though dunno if it's over or underkill for that.
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Melissia wrote:Heh, I used a different definition (IE, I fantasize about owning said weapons), but still.
I loathe how the phaser looks. For some reason it reminds me of a drug injector from a certain stealth-based first person shooter...
I could see that...I just love the "easy clean up" factor of the phaser, squeeze the trigger and *Poof*..no messy body at all...( y'know, unless you set it on "stun" or " bit of a cough" or something)
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2011/08/21 06:07:19
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
Aye, I love the look of the RB...Now if only they would strengthen their yokes a little bit, do away with the second release latch so that I can use my long alien fingers to manipulate the cylinder quickly in a pinch, I would actually go and buy one!
And having gone hunting with both a Bulgarian AK, and a HK91....They're no different than a .30-30 or .30-06...Aim, squeeze, oh a hole appeared in the target! SCAR-17S would be fine for any game that 7.62 NATO/.308 is good for to begin with, just don't try to suppress the deer.
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2011/08/21 06:09:07
Subject: Re:So, was thinking of buying a handgun...
I'm picky about revolvers, I admit-- I don't like S&W's revolver visual styles most of the time. But their 629 model does look good. Just not as good as the Raging Bull or Anaconda.
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Sckitzo wrote:I so want a Scar 17....
Indeed, it looks like an excellent firing range weapon. Heck, one could possibly even use it as a hunting rifle, though dunno if it's over or underkill for that.
Depends on what your hunting really. I'd use it on deer and down no problem, anything above that, well I better be starving to risk that shot (I'm one of those folks that thing if your gonna kill a critter you owe it to them to make it quick and clean)
Well deer is most likely, in some parts we're practically overrun with the buggers.
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Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" 
3000
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Any time a rifle gets altered it loses most of it's collectable value. I cannot stand going to gun shows and seeing slap dash M1 Carbines with an IBM receiver, WRA barrel, Korean Marked Stock and an Inland trigger group be priced at $800-$1000. It's frustrating to no end.
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