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Not sure on Tx laws on hunting with SA rifles though, AZ is kinda anal on it.

Stormrider wrote:
I'm kind of a snob when it comes to collectible firearms, give me original or don't bother.

I can tell.

Its a gun as far as I'm concerned and just because it has import markings doesn't mean a darn thing to me. Like I said, the barrel was replaced most likely due to the original suffering some damage but it is a 1942 Ihveshk as well with a Ukrainian Depot mark on the stock. Really nice weapon though with some history, if I want a gun with a lot of history I have my grandfather's service Garand which has a dark wooden stock that is pitted to hell(he was in Korea so I can imagine that did wonders for it). As far as you getting an original gun, good luck. I'll stick with my $70, nagant that comes with some nice accessories and is in firing condition over a rifle that was beaten to hell and never fixed as long as most of it is historical.

There's a county near me that doesn't specify what kind of weapons you're allowed to hunt turkeys with.

Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT:
white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber.
shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used to hunt Eastern turkey during the spring Eastern turkey season (see County Listing). Rifles and handguns may not be used to hunt Eastern turkey.
pellet guns and other air guns are NOT LEGAL.
fully automatic firearms are NOT LEGAL.
firearms equipped with silencers or sound-suppressing devices are NOT LEGAL.
a shotgun is the only legal firearm for hunting migratory game birds (see Definitions - Legal Shotgun).

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/regulations/fish_hunt/hunt/means/

Dunno if you can make this legalese out. It's from the Texas Parks and Wildlife website, the "means" page for hunting.

Typically shotguns are the only firearms you can use to hunt an animal and as far as legal shotguns go its usually to do with barrel length(sawn-off is pretty much illegal although its terrible for hunting anyways) and if its a semi-automatic there is a limit of shells you can put into it. I think its five or six plus one in the barrel around near me.

Can only hunt turkey with shotguns, silenced weapons aren't legal most of the time because they're silenced, pellet guns and airsoft guns are illegal due to animal cruelty laws and of course automatics are for the same reason.

Hunting is frowned upon in some places so its good to keep a friendly representation of the hunter as much as possible and to do so they don't like it when people leave mutilated corpses behind. Anything that makes it seem like you're killing the animal just for the sake of killing the animal is normally illegal for the same reason as well.

If I was hunting, it'd probably be for the mutually important reasons of reducing overpopulation and sharing time with my father.

Melissia wrote:

Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT:
white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber.
shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used to hunt Eastern turkey during the spring Eastern turkey season (see County Listing). Rifles and handguns may not be used to hunt Eastern turkey.
pellet guns and other air guns are NOT LEGAL.
fully automatic firearms are NOT LEGAL.
firearms equipped with silencers or sound-suppressing devices are NOT LEGAL.
a shotgun is the only legal firearm for hunting migratory game birds (see Definitions - Legal Shotgun).

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/regulations/fish_hunt/hunt/means/

Dunno if you can make this legalese out. It's from the Texas Parks and Wildlife website, the "means" page for hunting.

white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber. Easy enough, no .22's and non center fire
Stuff of birds
No suppressors or silencers
more bird crap

As long as the suppressor on the end of your rifle wasn't for noise, but a jackass game warden may ding ya on it.

No magazine limit seems odd though

It means you can use a 50 round drum magazine, as long as it's not fully automatic told you Texas firearms laws are nonsensical.

You were not lying 0_o

Laser sights that actually project a laser onto the target are also a no-go as I recall, but a RDS like my aimpoint micro? I can throw that on top of my AR15 and go right out the door. Ditto with passive NV and most thermal optics.

Melissia wrote:If I was hunting, it'd probably be for the mutually important reasons of reducing overpopulation and sharing time with my father.

I would guess that would be the reason, its the same I go hunting with my dad. However there are people who like to go hunting just to kill something and those people making hunting look bad overall, and of course the biggest thing about hunting is making sure that it doesn't reach into animal abuse which is why I have yet to get a deer, I don't feel comfortable enough with my aim to make sure its a clean kill but I still enjoy going out there early in the morning.

Hm. I should set a date and ask my father to come along. We haven't gone to target practice in a while, so I'm sure he'd enjoy spending time trying out the guns I have in mind along with me.

Sig's a great guns. My dad has one in .45 caliber and shooting it is a lot of fun (so is his Walther P22!). A guy at my work recently purchased a Kimber and loves it. Haven't heard anything negative about a Kimber other than the price...ouch.

I would highly recommend researching if a local range has any of the models you are looking for and if they will let you test fire them. I'm pretty sure the gents behind the counter would have no problem helping a lady out.


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halonachos wrote:

Melissia wrote:If I was hunting, it'd probably be for the mutually important reasons of reducing overpopulation and sharing time with my father.

I would guess that would be the reason, its the same I go hunting with my dad. However there are people who like to go hunting just to kill something and those people making hunting look bad overall, and of course the biggest thing about hunting is making sure that it doesn't reach into animal abuse which is why I have yet to get a deer, I don't feel comfortable enough with my aim to make sure its a clean kill but I still enjoy going out there early in the morning.

Yeah that isn't hunting. That is infuriating, wasteful, and fething gakky. Pretty similar to bait soakers fishing in a catch and release body of water.

I'd recommend getting your rifle sighted in and then practice with it, get used to estimating correction for windage. A 5 inch group at 100 yards would be accurate enough to penetrate heart/lungs/vital organs for medium to large game, and be able to kill them quickly. The only work would be tracking to where your deer would set down after it expired. Oh and then getting your meat.

I recommend finding a good pack for the last part. Nothing like having to hump 65 pounds or more with a bad pack.

Handguns are a pretty double-sided thing. If you keep one for self protection, be sure to have it always with you. If you don't, someone could use it agaist you (a burglar, for example, if he found it downstairs)

Yes, I would do that. Especially since I'd want to get in the habit of cleaning and maintaining it.


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VermGho5t wrote:I would highly recommend researching if a local range has any of the models you are looking for and if they will let you test fire them. I'm pretty sure the gents behind the counter would have no problem helping a lady out.

Taht's actually why I picked the SIG P250/P220Carry, those two I think are available at a local shop which I hope has a range that I can test fire them at. The prices listed for them are also fairly affordable, hopefully it's for a new one rather than pre-owned... and as you said, SIGs are pretty reliable, at least from the reviews I've read.

What would be the best way to do research on a handguns/rifles and ammunition? What would you all recommend for websites? Or should I go straight to a gun shop and ask questions there? I am curious as i have been contemplating buying a Mosin-Nagant/ M1 Garand/ Kar98k/ other historical rifle, and wanted to do my research before going to buy one.

Skycrawler wrote:What would be the best way to do research on a handguns/rifles and ammunition? What would you all recommend for websites? Or should I go straight to a gun shop and ask questions there? I am curious as i have been contemplating buying a Mosin-Nagant/ M1 Garand/ Kar98k/ other historical rifle, and wanted to do my research before going to buy one.

I'm always a big fan of asking experts.

Buy a Taser. Much more entertaining.

Melissia wrote:Yes, I would do that. Especially since I'd want to get in the habit of cleaning and maintaining it.


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VermGho5t wrote:I would highly recommend researching if a local range has any of the models you are looking for and if they will let you test fire them. I'm pretty sure the gents behind the counter would have no problem helping a lady out.

Taht's actually why I picked the SIG P250/P220Carry, those two I think are available at a local shop which I hope has a range that I can test fire them at. The prices listed for them are also fairly affordable, hopefully it's for a new one rather than pre-owned... and as you said, SIGs are pretty reliable, at least from the reviews I've read.

One thing I would also consider if you are serious about owning and using a firearm, especially a handgun, is looking into an application for a conceal/carry permit. My father who lives in Washington state, has one and from what I understand this permit is honored in 39 or so states. This may be incorrect but I am sure Texas has these available to law abiding citizens.

Melissia wrote:Yes, I would do that. Especially since I'd want to get in the habit of cleaning and maintaining it.


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VermGho5t wrote:I would highly recommend researching if a local range has any of the models you are looking for and if they will let you test fire them. I'm pretty sure the gents behind the counter would have no problem helping a lady out.

Taht's actually why I picked the SIG P250/P220Carry, those two I think are available at a local shop which I hope has a range that I can test fire them at. The prices listed for them are also fairly affordable, hopefully it's for a new one rather than pre-owned... and as you said, SIGs are pretty reliable, at least from the reviews I've read.

If you go the gun safe route, do not buy stack on brand, they are cheap for a reason, I can get in one in about 10 seconds with a crowbar or angle grinder. They are a huge waste of money...I use mine as a dummy safe now.

Skycrawler wrote:What would be the best way to do research on a handguns/rifles and ammunition? What would you all recommend for websites? Or should I go straight to a gun shop and ask questions there? I am curious as i have been contemplating buying a Mosin-Nagant/ M1 Garand/ Kar98k/ other historical rifle, and wanted to do my research before going to buy one.

A 91/30 or M44 Mosin-Nagant can be had fairly cheaply, I grabbed a 91/30 from a gun show for about 120 out the door. http://7.62x54r.net/ is a good place to start of Mosin's. That's how I cut my teeth buy collector guns.

If you've never fired a rifle before, I suggest you get a ruger 10/22 and practice alot, ammo is cheap and it's a good gun to learn the basics, even better if you know someone that is willing to teach you in person.

alarmingrick wrote:

Skycrawler wrote:What would be the best way to do research on a handguns/rifles and ammunition? What would you all recommend for websites? Or should I go straight to a gun shop and ask questions there? I am curious as i have been contemplating buying a Mosin-Nagant/ M1 Garand/ Kar98k/ other historical rifle, and wanted to do my research before going to buy one.

I'm always a big fan of asking experts.

There is a lot of information available for this on the internet. I was under the impression collectible rifles were pretty expensive. I think Springfield Armory still manufactures M1's but they aren't what your grandfather was issued, and are pretty expensive. I've heard of surplus Garands being available at a discount from Civilian Marksman-ship programs if you are a member. I thought I recalled a thread on the forums here where this was mentioned, but I cannot remember it.

I dont own guns but i do collect knifes and crossbow. Guns are to dangers.

But I WANT it to be dangerous.

It makes for an effective deterrent should anything happen. People don't quite know how to deal with knives, but with guns, they think "ohshiiiii~".

Stormrider wrote:
How along is the knife? 4"-5" ?

MKIIs range from 6-5/8 to 7 inches by blade, depending on year of make. Were it not for the, essentially cosmetic, serration they would be illegal nearly everywhere in the US.

As for the law in Illinois, intent to use is the barrier, not mere possession.

VermGho5t wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

Skycrawler wrote:What would be the best way to do research on a handguns/rifles and ammunition? What would you all recommend for websites? Or should I go straight to a gun shop and ask questions there? I am curious as i have been contemplating buying a Mosin-Nagant/ M1 Garand/ Kar98k/ other historical rifle, and wanted to do my research before going to buy one.

I'm always a big fan of asking experts.

There is a lot of information available for this on the internet. I was under the impression collectible rifles were pretty expensive. I think Springfield Armory still manufactures M1's but they aren't what your grandfather was issued, and are pretty expensive. I've heard of surplus Garands being available at a discount from Civilian Marksman-ship programs if you are a member. I thought I recalled a thread on the forums here where this was mentioned, but I cannot remember it.

Sadly, CMP is sold out, that ship has sailed really, unless they get more stock in I wouldn't count on being able to get anything from them anymore Collectibles are fairly expensive, especially the American ones, and it's a lot of data to shift through to know what your buying, then you get 's like Mitchell's Mausers selling knock offs, and well it becomes a bigger pita.

black templar wrote:I dont own guns but i do collect knifes and crossbow. Guns are to dangers.

That's nice, but guns are only unsafe as the people handling them, if you follow the basics rules of firearms safety it's no more dangerous then a large club. It's not like they sneak out in the middle of the night and start gang wars on the streets.

Sckitzo wrote:... if you follow the basics rules of firearms safety it's no more dangerous then a large club.

That's an exaggeration. I know 2nd Amendment guys like to minimize the danger of firearms, but they really are more dangerous than knives, swords, clubs, and most other weapons due to ease of use, range of effect, and extent of damage to target.

There's a reason the world's militaries use them in lieu of other options.

"if your going to get a gun,get 2."

a guy at my school once said it,dont remember the point of it though.

dogma wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:... if you follow the basics rules of firearms safety it's no more dangerous then a large club.

That's an exaggeration. I know 2nd Amendment guys like to minimize the danger of firearms, but they really are more dangerous than knives, swords, clubs, and most other weapons due to ease of use, range of effect, and extent of damage to target.

There's a reason the world's militaries use them in lieu of other options.

I still stand that people are what make them dangerous, you get idiots that run around and kill people, rob people and generally give firearms a bad rap. Yes a firearm can be more dangerous in the wrong hands, but their just a tool. But not trying to start a gun control argument on here, some people like guns, some people hate em, it's w/e really in the long run.


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lord commissar klimino wrote:

"if your going to get a gun,get 2."

a guy at my school once said it,dont remember the point of it though.

That is sorta...odd. I've got prepper/survivalist buddies that sort of due this, one to practice with and beat up, one to keep in good shape. But for 90% of gun owners out there it seems a bit... odd.

@Sckitzo: Thanks, the closest thing to a rifle I have fired is a pellet gun so I'll definitely look into the Ruger.


Another thing I wanted to ask was; What about pawn shops? Would it be preferable to get a cheaper rifle from a pawn shop or a more expensive one from a gun&ammo shop? Thanks for answering all my questions.

Guns are to dangers.

If they weren't, I wouldn't own the <CENSORED> things.

But seriously, handled properly they really aren't more hazardous to the owner than most of the electronic outlets in your house. Or your garbage disposal. There are just four little rules to doing this:

1. Do not point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
3. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
4. A gun is always loaded. Especially when unloaded.

Now, sit down for a few minutes, and think of all those "Accidents" you hear about where someone shoots themself, a loved one, etc. that doesn't really boil down to someone being a moron. Accidental discharge due to manufacturing or design defect is rather unusual nowadays. Safeties like Ye olde SPAS 12 flag safety, and the original Remington 700 safeties which would occasionally go "BANG!" when flipped from "Safe" to "Fire" don't fly far in the Lawyer Age. and neither do modern firearms that are prone to slamefires.

None of this is to be construed as "Is less dangerous to the thing you intend to use it on" because...well...it's not. A firearm is an undeniably effective weapon. That said, do train hard. A good sized knife like a smachet or bowie will inflict wounds that a handgun can only dream of, and a club to the head might as well be a bullet to the temple if the user isn't intending to leave you breathing. Pointies and Smashies have been slaughtering people for thousands of years, and it is not because they are ineffective. Additionally, in most any legally defensible situation where you can employ a handgun, you will be close enough that these are going to be in range. You may want to consider some sort of hand to hand training in addition to everything else, and look up the Tueller drill.

Sckitzo wrote:
I still stand that people are what make them dangerous, you get idiots that run around and kill people, rob people and generally give firearms a bad rap. Yes a firearm can be more dangerous in the wrong hands, but their just a tool. But not trying to start a gun control argument on here, some people like guns, some people hate em, it's w/e really in the long run.

People make them more dangerous, this much is true, but they are still dangerous in and of themselves in the same way that anything that can harm you is; guns simply cause more harm more easily than say, a hammer.