Things that other players do! Pet peeves!

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**XCom**

AustonT wrote:You get this for "I could care less"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2010/may/20/language-usa
It's simply a good natured poke in the ribs when I go after ultras.

Yeah the video makes a good point. You must really like messing with ultrasmurfs huh. Either way id give you an A for going the extra distance with that troll.

**IG_Cadian_333rd**

My biggest gripe is when you show up to play a friendly game and you end up playing against the whole damn game store.
When Im sitting on my side of the table thinking of my next move or watching my opponent while he moves his models and one or more people start suggesting tactics or giving advice to my opponent. This drives me nuts.
My little brother and I built an IG army together, he played the Catachans because of his love for foot sloggers and I played the Tanks because I enjoy the armored aspect of the game. We recieved so much flak for this from just about everyone we played because they didnt like that we stratagized together. Eventually we stopped doing it all together.
Yet every time I go down to the FLGS I end up playing against everyone down there.
Anyone else deal with this?

**Brother Azul**

AustonT wrote:You get this for "I could care less"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2010/may/20/language-usa
It's simply a good natured poke in the ribs when I go after ultras.

Oh Snap.

**Eternal Loser**

When Im sitting on my side of the table thinking of my next move or watching my opponent while he moves his models and one or more people start suggesting tactics or giving advice to my opponent. This drives me nuts.

/Whiny Teenager mode ON
This. A hundred times this. It's really annoying to hear the 10 "Masters of Strategy, Tactics and Grand Masters of the Ancient Art of War" each and every one telling my friend or me how we should play the game and why I'm dumb for not making yet another Purifier spam list. Oh, and winning a game with my friend, and hearing that I can't really play, that he didn't do anything wrong, it's just that I got really, really lucky. I think that's it.

Oh, wait! There's a guy at my LFGS that, when we were playing, kept telling me I can't write lists and I really need to ask some of the really good players to write me one. Who cares I put some effort into writing it myself and only asked here to make sure the end result is good. He kept droning on about it throughout the whole game. And I lost, because the first thing he did after buyiing the BA Codex was make a badly written post asking for a list on the forum of our club, and got a quite optimized list. I don't remember it because it was a few months ago, but this thread reminded me of why I don' really want to play now. All this and currently not being able to afford anything for my army.
/Whiny Teenager mode OFF

**AustonT**

XCom wrote:
AustonT wrote:You get this for "I could care less"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2010/may/20/language-usa
It's simply a good natured poke in the ribs when I go after ultras.

Yeah the video makes a good point. You must really like messing with ultrasmurfs huh. Either way id give you an A for going the extra distance with that troll.

/bow
That was nothing on a firearms forum I belong to I summarized the development of the 5.7FN as a round designed to ward off the French without posing a real threat to any other European nations. Silly Belgians always so focused on defending thier waffles.

**Corrode**

Zygrot24 wrote:A big pet peeve for me is inefficient dice habits. Putting them back in the box, staring at the dice for 5 minutes after a big roll to count rather than just picking up dice, etc etc.

On the other hand, I hate dice being left on the table. I clear them as a matter of course and either shuffle them off to one side or drop them back into the box. That said I own some 200ish dice in a big tupperware box thing which is left open so it's not hard to get them out again.

**XCom**

AustonT wrote:
XCom wrote:
AustonT wrote:You get this for "I could care less"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2010/may/20/language-usa
It's simply a good natured poke in the ribs when I go after ultras.

Yeah the video makes a good point. You must really like messing with ultrasmurfs huh. Either way id give you an A for going the extra distance with that troll.

/bow
That was nothing on a firearms forum I belong to I summarized the development of the 5.7FN as a round designed to ward off the French without posing a real threat to any other European nations. Silly Belgians always so focused on defending thier waffles.

I saw Belgian and then then thought waffle. So you might be onto something.

**JeneralJoe117**

daedalus wrote:This thread's always a good one. I dislike codex whiners. You know: "Oh noes, the new Codex X is out. X is so outrageous. It will destroy the solid and well thought out balance that 40k has had since PHIL KELLY (it's always Phil Kelly) singlehandedly instilled in the game by writing Codex WhateverImPlaying." With a repeat of the exact same complaints 4 months from then when the next codex is released, unless its one they play, in which case it's the most underpowered crippled thing in existence.

Tyranids get a pass. While I've won games with Nids, and I see potential for good builds, they still got a kick in the crotch with this one.

Let me explain further. I've been given unending amounts of gak about my GK army, since the moment their codex dropped. It got worse when I won my first two games with them out of the gate just doing what DH (shoot, back up, repeat, charge!) did, only better. I built a list combining all the "new" stuff in the codex, Interceptors, Paladins, a Dreadknight, and Mordrak with a Librarian. Looking back on it, it was pretty haphazard, but I more so wanted to see how each unit performed in a vacuum before beginning to play them off each other. He was playing an AP2 spam Space Wolf list with another friend of mine as a teammate. Needless to say, he moped up my army really well, but he had the gall to bitch and moan about it the entire time. "Mordrak doesn't scatter when he deep strikes, and he can bring terminators with him? Thats outrageous." Kills most of them with plasma, and manages to take the rest of out bolter fire. "Shunting how far?!?!" Wipes them off the table with Long Fangs. This continues through most of the game. His teammate was largely silent through this, detecting the irritation that I was feeling at the time.

At the end of it, I hardly put a dent in his army, and he massacred me. Tailoring or no, and lack of optimization or not on my part, I calmly asked him where the cheese was in the army, and pointed to each unit, now removed from the table, and asked him if that was the overpowered unit that singlehandedly wiped out his army, or perhaps if it was another one. He got very quiet for the rest of the night, but he's stopped his moaning. We seldom play 40k with him anymore, though the last time we did play a few weeks ago it was quite civil.

To be honest, this is my biggest beef with gamers. Full stop. I don't think any army is particulary unfair. It's more down to blind luck, the skill of the player and their list. People can bithc and moan but to be honest no army is unbeatable. Even the flavour of the month isn't all it's cracked up to be.

**Eldrad40k**

People who have 60 dice to roll and choose to roll them one at a time

**Tagboard Wizard**

Zygrot24 wrote: There was a kid there, IG player, whose Leman Russes were made out of CARDBOARD.

As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.

The game is all about crafting first and playing second. We craft to play. IG is a tough army to start up and very expensive (Compared to, say SM or Deathwing, at least). Now, granted, if someone comes in with 3 unpainted, unmodified shoe boxes and calls them Landraiders, I can understand a little unhappiness; after all, you worked hard and painted your army and bought your models and are trying to present a statement of your craft and it says something about his attitude to your hard work if he shows no interest in the hobby. If he tried, even if it was a horrid attempt, to ease the cost, and you nit-pick because his attempt... well you might as well insult anyone who has sculpted anything out of GS. They could have begged and been denied by GW to make there specific piece like everyone else, but put matters into their own hands.

I understand that it feels unfair for someone to make their own tanks, but if I had a dollar every time someone looked at my Dreadnaught and picked it up to examine it, only to realize it wasn't made of plastic, and then criticize me for not buying one like everyone else.... I would... well... I would have enough money to buy a Dreadnaught.

So I'm a little sensitive to the topic...

**tarnish**

Tagboard Wizard wrote:
As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.

The game is all about crafting first and playing second. We craft to play. IG is a tough army to start up and very expensive (Compared to, say SM or Deathwing, at least). Now, granted, if someone comes in with 3 unpainted, unmodified shoe boxes and calls them Landraiders, I can understand a little unhappiness; after all, you worked hard and painted your army and bought your models and are trying to present a statement of your craft and it says something about his attitude to your hard work if he shows no interest in the hobby. If he tried, even if it was a horrid attempt, to ease the cost, and you nit-pick because his attempt... well you might as well insult anyone who has sculpted anything out of GS. They could have begged and been denied by GW to make there specific piece like everyone else, but put matters into their own hands.

I understand that it feels unfair for someone to make their own tanks, but if I had a dollar every time someone looked at my Dreadnaught and picked it up to examine it, only to realize it wasn't made of plastic, and then criticize me for not buying one like everyone else.... I would... well... I would have enough money to buy a Dreadnaught.

So I'm a little sensitive to the topic...

i dont think anyone has a thing against scratchbuilt models or conversions here, but its all about feel... that does not only apply to models but also shoebox terrain that some people insist on placing no matter if it fits in with the rest or not, and things like books and action figures being used as decoration. theres a limit to bad taste, but its a blurry line.

played a guy once who said his basecoated nagash model, was a dreadnought with a lass cannon and then changed his mind mid-game and claimed it had way more upgrades....

**Jubear**

Tagboard Wizard wrote:
Zygrot24 wrote: There was a kid there, IG player, whose Leman Russes were made out of CARDBOARD.

As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.

The game is all about crafting first and playing second. We craft to play. IG is a tough army to start up and very expensive (Compared to, say SM or Deathwing, at least). Now, granted, if someone comes in with 3 unpainted, unmodified shoe boxes and calls them Landraiders, I can understand a little unhappiness; after all, you worked hard and painted your army and bought your models and are trying to present a statement of your craft and it says something about his attitude to your hard work if he shows no interest in the hobby. If he tried, even if it was a horrid attempt, to ease the cost, and you nit-pick because his attempt... well you might as well insult anyone who has sculpted anything out of GS. They could have begged and been denied by GW to make there specific piece like everyone else, but put matters into their own hands.

I understand that it feels unfair for someone to make their own tanks, but if I had a dollar every time someone looked at my Dreadnaught and picked it up to examine it, only to realize it wasn't made of plastic, and then criticize me for not buying one like everyone else.... I would... well... I would have enough money to buy a Dreadnaught.

So I'm a little sensitive to the topic...

LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

I dont care if your army is painted or not and I am very open to other company models with some GW bits slapped on them but paper tanks no just no.

**AustonT**

I almost feel the need to post the WD article for how to build a cardboard Baneblade.

**Tagboard Wizard**

Jubear wrote:

LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

I dont care if your army is painted or not and I am very open to other company models with some GW bits slapped on them but paper tanks no just no.

Who said anything about 'slapping bit' on tagboard? I find glue works much better. Besides, aside from assault cannons, I build my own weapons. otherwise they're the wrong size. It's not hard, just tedious.

**Necroshea**

Jubear wrote:

LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.

**juraigamer**

There are two players at my FLGS that use a stupid dice roller app for their scatter dice and their actual rolls. I refuse to play with them unless they use real dice. Naturally, they get all butthurt, and only play with each other.

**cgmckenzie**

Given how there are numerous articles in WD and on the GW site explaining how to scratch build models out of anything from cardboard to deodorant bottles, I would allow it. Mind you, it has to be an attempt to actually represent the model, not just a shoe box called a land raider.

Another peeve of mine is when your opponent apologizes constantly because his list keeps kicking you. "Sorry, it's not my fault, that is how the list is built." You have ultimate control over the list. If you are truly sorry, stop playing with it and run a different list. Otherwise, stop apologizing.

-cgmckenzie

PS-I am chuffed as nuts to see that I made it into your signature line, Tagboard!

**kitch102**

I hate itwhen I'm having a conversation with someone (games / modelling related) and someone else butts in with their opinion and bustles me out of the discussion. I have no problem with other peoples opinions, of course I don't, but come one kiddies, manners cost nothing.

For instance, I was down at my flgs and there was a new kid starting out. I asked if I could watch his intro game (kept quiet, just took an interest) and we started talking after the game. He was interested in Tau, liked the aesthetic of the models, suited his play style etc. He was asking what I thought he should start out with, I put my ten pence forward and the same guy that always butts in does exactly the same and muscles me out of the conversation.

Iirc this guy was an orc player, tried to convince new kid to play orcs, new kid then left without buying anything. That's not my problem - I dont work for GW so their sales figs dont affect me, thopugh I did feel a bit of a loss in that the hobby was then down one very keen an interrested noob, all because some dude tried to force his opinion across that had no bearing on new kids wants / needs.

One more for personal hygiene!!

**AlexGrannell**

I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

**Tagboard Wizard**

cgmckenzie wrote:Given how there are numerous articles in WD and on the GW site explaining how to scratch build models out of anything from cardboard to deodorant bottles, I would allow it. Mind you, it has to be an attempt to actually represent the model, not just a shoe box called a land raider.

My thoughts exactly. it's not as easy as putting together a plastic tank, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper. This is a fair trade off in my opinion. If you find yourself justifying the model to yourself without even going into the store, it's a safe bet you may want to start from scratch. that's the beauty of tag board, it's infinitely cheaper then any material out there, it's free and comes with stuff.

cgmckenzie wrote: PS-I am chuffed as nuts to see that I made it into your signature line, Tagboard!

Hey, it defines the BW list to a T.

**kitch102**

AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

That sucks man. Don't let the bastards get ya down in my opinion - at the end of the day you know that you know your game, to the point that you've completely changed peoples minds about you - that's an achievement in itself. Don't let anyone knock your confidence pal, and if you're ever in the Wakefield area let me know, I'll (attempt to) wipe the floor with your poxie BA's

**Capitansolstice**

HONAW wrote:I really dont care if my Marines get smacked! I am consoled that I know the Marines are one of the neatest factions out there and I will try do better next time. Also I hate gloaters and people who wont take your word for it on the rules. Oh and did I mention the guys who have pirated codexes on their laptops, AHHHHHHHH! As was said before... Take you defeat well and dont gloat if you win!

Mike

Pirated codexes are bad but..... it is nice to be able to get the $90 imperial armour for when you need some inspiration

**AustonT**

AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

I'm a person with little tolerance for children. That being said Wargaming is a community that transcends age, I mean most of us are full grown men who play with plastic toys. I treat all players equally until they give me cause to think otherwise. A kid with a well painted army, who knows his gak will get more respect from me than an adult with a plastic horde who bluntly cheats and talks smack. There's a whole lot of ground in between there. Polite gamers with grey armies and kids with well painted armies who throw fits, adults with well painted armies that cheat. You get my point. Gamers are like a complex equation where the sum is a positive or negative gamer but the variables are endless.

Just keep playing. And when you get tired of winning get a second army.

**AlexGrannell**

kitch102 wrote:
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

That sucks man. Don't let the bastards get ya down in my opinion - at the end of the day you know that you know your game, to the point that you've completely changed peoples minds about you - that's an achievement in itself. Don't let anyone knock your confidence pal, and if you're ever in the Wakefield area let me know, I'll (attempt to) wipe the floor with your poxie BA's

Thanks, I try not to but it just winds me up, I would love to play against you but I'm from Liverpool so I doubt that I'll ever go to Wakefield but If I do, blood will be shed!

AustonT wrote:
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

I'm a person with little tolerance for children. That being said Wargaming is a community that transcends age, I mean most of us are full grown men who play with plastic toys. I treat all players equally until they give me cause to think otherwise. A kid with a well painted army, who knows his gak will get more respect from me than an adult with a plastic horde who bluntly cheats and talks smack. There's a whole lot of ground in between there. Polite gamers with grey armies and kids with well painted armies who throw fits, adults with well painted armies that cheat. You get my point. Gamers are like a complex equation where the sum is a positive or negative gamer but the variables are endless.

Just keep playing. And when you get tired of winning get a second army.

Yeah I understand, It's hard not to judge someone based on age. I too have seen Men throw tantrums just because I have won, saying things like 'He is just a kid', so it really hits home. But yeah when I get tired of winning I'll start a new army!

**Capitansolstice**

AlexGrannell wrote:
kitch102 wrote:
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

That sucks man. Don't let the bastards get ya down in my opinion - at the end of the day you know that you know your game, to the point that you've completely changed peoples minds about you - that's an achievement in itself. Don't let anyone knock your confidence pal, and if you're ever in the Wakefield area let me know, I'll (attempt to) wipe the floor with your poxie BA's

Thanks, I try not to but it just winds me up, I would love to play against you but I'm from Liverpool so I doubt that I'll ever go to Wakefield but If I do, blood will be shed!

AustonT wrote:
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

I'm a person with little tolerance for children. That being said Wargaming is a community that transcends age, I mean most of us are full grown men who play with plastic toys. I treat all players equally until they give me cause to think otherwise. A kid with a well painted army, who knows his gak will get more respect from me than an adult with a plastic horde who bluntly cheats and talks smack. There's a whole lot of ground in between there. Polite gamers with grey armies and kids with well painted armies who throw fits, adults with well painted armies that cheat. You get my point. Gamers are like a complex equation where the sum is a positive or negative gamer but the variables are endless.

Just keep playing. And when you get tired of winning get a second army.

Yeah I understand, It's hard not to judge someone based on age. I too have seen Men throw tantrums just because I have won, saying things like 'He is just a kid', so it really hits home. But yeah when I get tired of winning I'll start a new army!

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**insaniak**

Jubear wrote:LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

Let's not get carried away here. 'Pollute your table'...? I've seen quite a few cardboard tanks over the years that looked practically indistinguishable from the 'real' thing.

We're playing with toy soldiers here. If someone's tank isn't quite as detailed as the next guy's, is that really the end of the world?

**Nightwalker**

I hate it when the opponenet attempts to light my CSM on fire in a pagan ritual to try to appease Retura the Greek god of dice rolling

**akkados**

How about People who throws their dice out of sight so you can't see what he rolled and they just say it was all good....

**starraptor**

I HAD a friend who would always cheat and when I called him on it he would say well I don't play by tournement rules. I say whats the point in playing if you dont follow the rules.

**TheFatElf**

Blaming it on the Codex