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I have no problem or issues with age, but mainly age with attitude and parents.

A LOT of them complain to their parents when they don't roll well, and then the parents ask me why I'm being so hard on the kid, and that it's just a game. This is during his first turn, when he won the roll to go first.

I still have yet to figure out the reasoning behind their parents acting like that...

I hate it when people tell me what to put in my army. One time when I was playing Fantasy, some neckbeard came up and told me I needed to include a Sorcerer in my Khorne WoC army. When I told him I was playing a fluffy Khorne list, he ignored me and continued saying I needed a Sorcerer. I was very irritated.

Nocturn wrote:I still have yet to figure out the reasoning behind their parents acting like that...

Because we sadly live in an age where soft parenting is seen as the best way to raise children - the kids win everything at home as their parents are too soft to show kids that losing is not a bad thing, and then the kids can't deal with the real world on the occasions that they're taken out of their bubble wrap and steered around town by folks that are too afraid for their kids to carve their own lives.

Before I get shouted down too much, I realise this isn't true for everyone, but I completely and utterly believe that it is the dominant parenting method used on / with the latest generation of parents. Little Jimmy must have his own way, as life is fair, care bears exist, and there is no such thing as negativity in the world, anywhere.

Necroshea wrote:

Jubear wrote:

LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.

My area does not have a FLGS so I have 3 boards in my rec room that serves as the local hangout for wargameing so yeah it is MY table.

And thanks for assuming that I would be rude or nasty to play against just because I dont like paper models for wargaming.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.

Fine paper/card craft is one thing. unpainted corrugated cardboard in vague leman russ shape is another. Coupled with paper cutout men and ugly jelly guys, and it's just an army of lazy fail.

Keep my comments about cardboard tanks in context: Partly douche guy with misshapen badly cast silicon vets, paper cutouts on bottle caps CCS, and bad cardboard tanks.

Jubear wrote:

Necroshea wrote:

Jubear wrote:

LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.

My area does not have a FLGS so I have 3 boards in my rec room that serves as the local hangout for wargameing so yeah it is MY table.

And thanks for assuming that I would be rude or nasty to play against just because I dont like paper models for wargaming.

I think it was the swarthy attitude more than your stance on cardboard tanks. If you had stated it more like this..."I don't appreciate it when players come to my personal tables and attempt to play the game with poorly crafted cardboard replicas. I spend hard earned money on my own models, and expect anyone wanting to play with me to do the same."...then he probably wouldn't have gotten on to you about rudeness.

We can only form an opinion about you in conversations like these based on your thoughts expressed via text. So if your text seems rude and salty, we can only come to the conclusion that you are rude and salty. Just some food for thought.

On another point, I think that's right sporting of you to offer your own tables and rec room as the local 40k hangout.

And on yet another point, I personally despise paying thirty three dollars for rhinos which are plastic boxes with slight sloping, and would therefore have no problems with people making their plastic boxes out of cardboard.

Back on topic, the people I hate to play against most, of the few I have played with, are extreme rule lawyers and people with a convenient lack of knowledge of their codex at pivotal times. When I have my codex and the latest FAQ for my certain army I find it rather amazing that people will still argue with me for near on to half an hour about the fact that a Deffrolla does indeed do D6 Strength 10 hits to vehicles as well as infantry, the fact that dakka guns on biker boyz are twin linked, and the fact that KFF's give obscured status (4+) cover to vehicles. They eventually accept it but it makes games take at least three times as long.

And people who don't know their own codex...Ill just list an example. Whilst playing against IG with my orks it just so happened that during the make or break shooting phase he recalled his heavy flamer to be strength 6 rather than five, I was new and trusted this guy that he knew what he was doing, he rolled way below average but with his extra strength he wiped out a boyz squad. After he'd mopped up the game, I took a look at his codex and looked up the entry on the heavy flamer. It was rather disappointing to me, simply because of the fact that I believe his "memory lapse" was intentional.

Lucky I wasn't too traumatized and managed to wipe him off the board fair and square the next time we met.

TLR - Rule Lawyers with no legs to stand on and Cheaters

One of my pet peeves is people having fun with the game and not being serious about it. It applies to any game, and I've got to make it less irritating in my mind.

Honestly, I'll be sitting there, gaming with my regular opponent, and she'll make a funny comment about something in the game. And it just ruins my mood. My friend who plays World of Warcraft with me does the same thing, like when a boss picks him up and carries him around, he'll say something like, "Aaah! Let me down!" in party chat. And it just pisses me off. It's because it feels like my opponent isn't taking the game seriously, and isn't putting their full effort into achieving victory.

It's a stupid, stupid, STUPID pet peeve to have! It's stupid because these things are games. They're supposed to be fun!

I take my fun too seriously... But my foxxykins forgives all. :: cuddles my plush toy of my foxxykins ::

gpfunk wrote:

Jubear wrote:

Necroshea wrote:

Jubear wrote:

LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.

Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.

My area does not have a FLGS so I have 3 boards in my rec room that serves as the local hangout for wargameing so yeah it is MY table.

And thanks for assuming that I would be rude or nasty to play against just because I dont like paper models for wargaming.

I think it was the swarthy attitude more than your stance on cardboard tanks. If you had stated it more like this..."I don't appreciate it when players come to my personal tables and attempt to play the game with poorly crafted cardboard replicas. I spend hard earned money on my own models, and expect anyone wanting to play with me to do the same."...then he probably wouldn't have gotten on to you about rudeness.

We can only form an opinion about you in conversations like these based on your thoughts expressed via text. So if your text seems rude and salty, we can only come to the conclusion that you are rude and salty. Just some food for thought.

On another point, I think that's right sporting of you to offer your own tables and rec room as the local 40k hangout.

And on yet another point, I personally despise paying thirty three dollars for rhinos which are plastic boxes with slight sloping, and would therefore have no problems with people making their plastic boxes out of cardboard.

gpfunk has it right. When I read what you wrote, I just imagined you as a guy at my flgs who would set up at a table, and refuse to play anyone that has their entire army to high standards. Don't ever everything just right? Yell you won't play them and you refused to leave your spot. In your own home this is perfectly acceptable, and I must say you've got more guts than I do to let people into your place to game it up. I've met some rather questionable individuals during my tabletop endeavors and I would never want them to know where I live . In retrospect I apologize for my response. At the time all I had to use was my phone to post, and my response was a lot less explanatory then I would have liked it to be.

So yes, back on topic. I don't think this was discussed before, and I don't think it's that common, but I REALLY don't like people who come into the game area with exposed wounds. There was this one time back at one of the last tournaments I went to. I was having a fascinating conversaition with a guy about hwo he ran his tau aggresively. So while he was going on, I cought this wierd smell on the winds. I couldn't quite place it though. It wasn't a good smell, but it wasn't overwhelmingly bad. Sometime shortly after this a guy approaches me and starts talking about...something, I forgot. Smell got stronger at this point. So anyways as the day goes on and the tournament starts up, I happen to spot what it was giving off the smell. The guy I talked to second had this massive gaping wound on his leg, and it looked bad, real bad. Looking back, I believe it was an ulcer. The guy was by no means small, and I think it has something to do with poor blood circulation. However, at the time I could only guess what kind of disease was ravaging him. Staph? T-Virus? Nurgle's Rot? Whatever it was I tried everything in my power to stay away from him. I think he snuck up behind me one time to make a comment about the game, and I could feel him bump into my clothes. I nearly screamed.

So...yeah, I'm not sure what you do to treat ulcers, but I'm pretty sure you don't leave a big gaping wound without medical dressings.

To make matters worse he turned out to be a downer. Dropped a few leman russ templates on him and he just sort of passively quite half way through the match.

Alex - dont let people get you down about age. Some of the best players we have at our flgs were young guys, hell i even got our age range lowered for one guy as he was wasting away in GW shop land, needing more varied and skilled opponents - it meant i was considered "responsible adult" which is laughable, but it worked well

Main requirement in an opponent is someone who has fun with it, and you can chat to. Age doesnt really matter there.

One of my biggest peeves right now, is people that roll dice for something and scoop them up so quick, you have no idea what they actually rolled. Have to watch the rolls like a hawk.

Necroshea wrote:The guy I talked to second had this massive gaping wound on his leg, and it looked bad, real bad. Looking back, I believe it was an ulcer. The guy was by no means small, and I think it has something to do with poor blood circulation. However, at the time I could only guess what kind of disease was ravaging him. Staph? T-Virus? Nurgle's Rot? Whatever it was I tried everything in my power to stay away from him. I think he snuck up behind me one time to make a comment about the game, and I could feel him bump into my clothes. I nearly screamed.

Reminds me of this rp/wargame con i was at back in the day... this guy had incredibly bad foot odor and decided to use one of the gaming rooms to shave off some of the excess dead skin of his feet. the room had to be closed of and aired out for over a day before the smell subsided. more over, the bastard was actually proud of this.

tarnish wrote:

Necroshea wrote:The guy I talked to second had this massive gaping wound on his leg, and it looked bad, real bad. Looking back, I believe it was an ulcer. The guy was by no means small, and I think it has something to do with poor blood circulation. However, at the time I could only guess what kind of disease was ravaging him. Staph? T-Virus? Nurgle's Rot? Whatever it was I tried everything in my power to stay away from him. I think he snuck up behind me one time to make a comment about the game, and I could feel him bump into my clothes. I nearly screamed.

Reminds me of this rp/wargame con i was at back in the day... this guy had incredibly bad foot odor and decided to use one of the gaming rooms to shave off some of the excess dead skin of his feet. the room had to be closed of and aired out for over a day before the smell subsided. more over, the bastard was actually proud of this.

Oh my god (to both posts). That's one thing that really, really &*^%$ me off. Human stink. I've not gamed in a store in years, but occasionally visit one to buy paints and stuff and and more often than not there's usually a godawful stink that makes you want to vomit. You can usually spot the source - an unkempt know-it-all neckbeard. Good grief, at least take a shower and wear some clean clothes. And people wonder why the hobby in general gets such a stigma. I know we play wargames, but the boards should be medieval not the smell.

Coolyo294 wrote:I hate it when people tell me what to put in my army. One time when I was playing Fantasy, some neckbeard came up and told me I needed to include a Sorcerer in my Khorne WoC army. When I told him I was playing a fluffy Khorne list, he ignored me and continued saying I needed a Sorcerer. I was very irritated.

Oh god, this.

My old Nurgle WoC list, I kept getting pestered to give the marauders MoK "because it's just better".

Zygrot24 wrote:

Tagboard Wizard wrote:As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.

Fine paper/card craft is one thing. unpainted corrugated cardboard in vague leman russ shape is another. Coupled with paper cutout men and ugly jelly guys, and it's just an army of lazy fail.

Keep my comments about cardboard tanks in context: Partly douche guy with misshapen badly cast silicon vets, paper cutouts on bottle caps CCS, and bad cardboard tanks.

I did, I mention that very stance in my post. I said nothing towards paper cut out on bottle caps or casting (although, the casting I think you should really give him a break for, it's not that easy either).

HOWEVER! You pointed out that his tanks were made of CARDBOARD like it's an obvious implication of FAIL. And as a Tagboard Wizard, I take offense to that.

I have seen some really nice tanks that people have made from pepekura or whatever it is(folded paper like origami but with less swans). It actually looked to be along the lines of the old warhammer and 40k terrain.

-cgmckenzie

Just the other week, I was pulling out my Sa'cea tau and the guy I was playing picked them up and stared at them for twenty minutes (yes, twenty minutes). For those of you who don't know, the Sa'cea colour scheme is a mixture of space wolves grey and shadow grey. Anyways, after staring at these things for so long that everyone in the store was annoyed at him, he informed me that the paint ratio was slightly different in the two, and TOLD ME I COULDN'T USE MY FIRE WARRIORS BECAUSE OF THE UNNOTICEABLE PAINT DIFFERENCE and that because fire warriors are 1+ he won by default.

Then an employee asked why we hadn't started playing yet, and after explaining it, my opponent got kick out of the store for the day.

im2randomghgh wrote:Then an employee asked why we hadn't started playing yet, and after explaining it, my opponent got kick out of the store for the day.

I REALLY hope you're not lying because that's hilarious.

Thats kinda horrible...at least it has a happy ending

AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

It might help if you used xenos, because using marines will just make people automatically assume you're one of the little kids who buys marines because they don't understand the others and can just push them across the board.


Using xenos gives them a moments pause, as they require more in-depth strategy to compensate for 4th ed codices.

I started when I was 15 and had the same problem because I used the Imperial Fists space marines, but when I switched to Tau due to preferring their style of play,. people are less condescending, as they get cocky because they think your army is weaker by default and then are pleasantly surprised when they see that you're capable of something other than just moving your models forward and hitting stuff with hammers.

Also, it helps when you put 2 mantas on the table, since they're stunned that anyone could ever own such a huge, expensive model, let alone two

Of course, if BA are all you're interested in, there's nothing wrong with that.

Another thing you can do is use a 4chan SM chapter, like angry marines (would be good since they are assault-y like BA) or reasonable marines (painted to camouflage with the table you'd be surprised how often your opponent doesn't notice them), that way they're angry at the army and not you!

im2randomghgh wrote:

AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

It might help if you used xenos, because using marines will just make people automatically assume you're one of the little kids who buys marines because they don't understand the others and can just push them across the board.


Using xenos gives them a moments pause, as they require more in-depth strategy to compensate for 4th ed codices.

I started when I was 15 and had the same problem because I used the Imperial Fists space marines, but when I switched to Tau due to preferring their style of play,. people are less condescending, as they get cocky because they think your army is weaker by default and then are pleasantly surprised when they see that you're capable of something other than just moving your models forward and hitting stuff with hammers.

Also, it helps when you put 2 mantas on the table, since they're stunned that anyone could ever own such a huge, expensive model, let alone two

Of course, if BA are all you're interested in, there's nothing wrong with that.

Another thing you can do is use a 4chan SM chapter, like angry marines (would be good since they are assault-y like BA) or reasonable marines (painted to camouflage with the table you'd be surprised how often your opponent doesn't notice them), that way they're angry at the army and not you!

I hate it when people assume since you play marines and not zenos all you can do is push them across the board and hammer things. Marines do take just as much stratagy as any other army to be competitve.

Play space marines? Your a nub

Play something else? Your army sucks

Play army with new codex? You're just playing flavor of the month.

I'd rather invest in fielding sharp words towards an opponent who refuses to just shut up and play the damn game.

starraptor wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.

It might help if you used xenos, because using marines will just make people automatically assume you're one of the little kids who buys marines because they don't understand the others and can just push them across the board.


Using xenos gives them a moments pause, as they require more in-depth strategy to compensate for 4th ed codices.

I started when I was 15 and had the same problem because I used the Imperial Fists space marines, but when I switched to Tau due to preferring their style of play,. people are less condescending, as they get cocky because they think your army is weaker by default and then are pleasantly surprised when they see that you're capable of something other than just moving your models forward and hitting stuff with hammers.

Also, it helps when you put 2 mantas on the table, since they're stunned that anyone could ever own such a huge, expensive model, let alone two

Of course, if BA are all you're interested in, there's nothing wrong with that.

Another thing you can do is use a 4chan SM chapter, like angry marines (would be good since they are assault-y like BA) or reasonable marines (painted to camouflage with the table you'd be surprised how often your opponent doesn't notice them), that way they're angry at the army and not you!

I hate it when people assume since you play marines and not zenos all you can do is push them across the board and hammer things. Marines do take just as much stratagy as any other army to be competitve.

I know they do a good amount, having played them. But xenos legitimately do require more strategy. They don't have units as good as Marines. Example: Stingwing worse than a marine in every way, cost sixteen points each.

Also, Crisis suits are good, but you can only use them in areas where they can JSJ behind cover or they'll die right away, so you have to lure the oppenent to said locations, and plans several turns in ahead.

Plus, even though strategy is important with marines, you CAN win by just moving them forward and shooting until you get to assault.

All xenos armies have a critical flaw that needs to be compensated for, and marines do not.

Tau suck at CC

Eldar are fragile

Orks have trouble hitting stuff with their guns.

Necrons...well everything about them is a flaw really.

Whereas marines have impressive CC, 3+ and BS4.

Either way, I digress. Strategy is always important, just more so with xenos.


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Necroshea wrote:Play space marines? Your a nub

Play something else? Your army sucks

Play army with new codex? You're just playing flavor of the month.

I'd rather invest in fielding sharp words towards an opponent who refuses to just shut up and play the damn game.

"your army sucks" is the best to go with, since you can prove them wrong, whereas the other two will not change whether you win or lose.

im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.

starraptor wrote:im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.

I played six years of IF before retiring the army, I think I know their capabilities.

And of course orks beat them in cc, cc is what orks do. Marines are meant to shoot fighters and fight shooters. They can outshoot any army better than them in CC, and out CC any army that can outshoot them.

I know Eldar aren't bad, they just take skill.

I know Tau shouldn't take sting wings, my point was they're so bad that they're not even worth considering, and cost as much as marines. If they costed as much as kroot they still wouldn't be worth it.

And are you saying your SS/TH termies are bad in CC? because I don't know about you, but mine clear anything in their path.

The point is not to beat everything at everything with them, but they have no flaw, and are good if not great at everything. Balance is power. The Eldar have very task-specific units, whereas a tactical squad can be anti-infantry, anti-teq, or anti tank.

starraptor wrote:im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.

Orks kill marines in shooting? Nice.
I don't think he was advocating vespids, and what he said about tau was right- they suck in CC.
Marines are indeed a mostly shooty army but they are better at CC than most.

A pet peeve of mine is people being wrong while judging others for being right.

yamgrenade wrote:

starraptor wrote:im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.

Orks kill marines in shooting? Nice.
I don't think he was advocating vespids, and what he said about tau was right- they suck in CC.
Marines are indeed a mostly shooty army but they are better at CC than most.

A pet peeve of mine is people being wrong while judging others for being right.

QFT

I'm just going to apoligise (sorry for my spelling) if I sounded judgemental. The thing is I know Tau suck at close combat that doesn't make marine good at close combat though. And when you have 183 plus models firing at maybe 50 yes Orks out shoot you. And of course TH/SS are Great close combat unit but thats 1 unit in the entire codex. Sorry if I got off topic

Simple math proves out Orks cannot outshooot marines Orks Bs is what 2? I'm so lazy and certain you're wrong I wont even reach above my desk to check. Then they have to wound, then the SM player has armor saves.
Orks on the recieving end of just bolters get hit more than 50% wounded around the same And mostly don't get saves.
I assume we are talking about a Boyz horde here.

Kids that expect you to go easy on them, that's another thing. It's sort of why I don't play against the younger types with Space Marines, I'm going to fething stomp them with mech DE and it's not even going to be worth my time or enjoyable.
And also, people who talk about everything in the competitive vacuum and say you should only play tournament lists. And I hate tournaments. If I wanted to be shot off the table by Razorbacks all day I'd go on an aggressive wildlife safari.

Yah maybe I'm just unlucky. Anyway maybe I got over zealous in some of my statements and for that I apoligize. Anyways I seem to have brought every one off topic so I'll shut up now.