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Yeah, they arn't called White Knights, Good Knights, or even Silver Knights.

They are called Grey Knights because they stand between the light and the darkness. Forever treading the line between the 2, never deviating, never wavering. They are a shield against the darkness. stained by it, yet untainted. Pure of soul and heart, yet they are forced to commit horrendous crimes to protect their charge.

Kanluwen wrote:

Anyways. The "Bloodtide" in there is a semi-sentient cyberbioweapon which makes those infected with it bleed.
It makes them bleed all their bloods! And then it makes a "Bloodtide"!

I wish I was kidding.

What I took away was it happen to be a nasty nanoswarm. It infected blood and used it as a medium. It might not even have been "Blood" just looked it as a byproduct of using flesh for replication. It seemed to be A.I driven and a weapon, with a drive to infect and procreate. Maybe because I like games like Eclipse Phase, but I totally got the Bloodtide and did not find it all that silly.

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:But the fact that a good portion of the Adepta Sororitas were proof against it would be a very strong indication that the Grey Knights (infinitely more prepared and designed to deal with such situations) would have little problem with it.

Except they did have problems with it, where the Sisters did not.

Other than the majority of Sisters either exploding in a shower of gore or starting to slaughter each other in a frenzy of bloodlust, with those unaffected having to hold out against a veritable onslaught of Bloodletters?

There's a reason it states that the "surviving Sisters of Battle" in the piece. We may not have the exact numbers, but it's clearly meant to portray that the Sisters were affected and that those who were not were the minority, rather than the majority.

That is one way of interpreting it, certainly. My opinion of the piece of fluff is about as low as a pregnant snail on the bottom of the Mariana Trench ,however, so that is not how I choose to interpret it.

It's just more gak-eating nonsense where GW decides to kill off more Sisters to make a different army look badass.

That's all it will ever be to me.

Melissia wrote:

It's just more gak-eating nonsense where GW decides to kill off more Sisters to make a different army look badass.

That's all it will ever be to me.

Unfortunately this is also what it's coming across as to me.

That the Sisters blood would have been more effective than anything the Grey Knights had on hand is unlikely. That the Grey Knights needed to turn on the sisters and slaughter them, to get an ad hoc immunity is even less so.

You would think that, in facing the Bloodtide (for what, the second time?) they would have already taken some measure of protection.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Melissia wrote:

It's just more gak-eating nonsense where GW decides to kill off more Sisters to make a different army look badass.

That's all it will ever be to me.

Unfortunately this is also what it's coming across as to me.

That the Sisters blood would have been more effective than anything the Grey Knights had on hand is unlikely. That the Grey Knights needed to turn on the sisters and slaughter them, to get an ad hoc immunity is even less so.

What exactly would they have on hand? "Super Special Anti-Bloodtide Formula: As Seen On TV!"? The blood alone was not going to be effective. Per the fluff entry for it, it was mixed with things that the Grey Knights had on hand to create a kind of barrier.

You would think that, in facing the Bloodtide (for what, the second time?) they would have already taken some measure of protection.

First time. There are two different Bloodtides. Andy Hoare created a silly one for "The Hunt for Voldorius", and Mat Ward created another one without realizing such a thing already existed.

There's no way to "take a measure of protection" for something you've never encountered before. It's also worth noting that the Bloodtide in the Grey Knights Codex was caused by the awakening of a stupidly powerful Daemon which had its material essence trapped inside a host and kept in stasis on a Shrineworld.

5 years from now there will be a new codex and none of this will have happened. The Sisters of Battle will actually be transvestite Space Marines and the Grey Knights will have joined forces with the Orks.

I hope to the Emperor that never happens, but I am just trying to point out how much a faction will change from codex to codex. So just leave it that you do or do not like a current incarnation and look forward/be curious about what they will be in their next incarnation.

The debate is fun though, I just hope people don't lose perspective and take it all too personally.

Not taking it personally, so much as I'm disliking it because it is poorly written nonsense.

Melissia wrote:Not taking it personally, so much as I'm disliking it because it is poorly written nonsense.

That more or less covers roughly 70% of all 40k fluff however. I do not think it is as bad as it seems, however it comes off as yet another "Umm Lets murders some SoB to show off how badass someone else is" mindset. I have yet to really come across anything with them in it that does not end it an overly messy often needless death. It might be out there but I have yet to see it.

Hazardous Harry wrote:That the Sisters blood would have been more effective than anything the Grey Knights had on hand is unlikely

I really don't get why you'd think that? It's a very particular Chaos 'thing' for which a very particular counter was needed. And part of that counter required the freshly spilled lifes blood of the innocent.

Kanluwen wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:
I understand your point, but our problem lies with the supposed "necessity" of the action.

The reason our Knights in Shining Armor bathed in the Sister's blood is to avoid being corrupted. Unfortunately, they've already been described as literally incorruptible. There was no reason for them to do that, except "just because."

No, they have been described as "incorruptible" in terms of them not turning against the Imperium.

They still die just as easily to Daemons and sorcerous powers. Seeing as how the Bloodtide in this depiction was a physical ailment, there's still plenty of chance for them to be harmed by it.

But it isn't a physical ailment. Unless you care to explain how coating yourself in blood can ward off bacteria and viruses / other physical things.

Unit1126PLL wrote:But it isn't a physical ailment. Unless you care to explain how coating yourself in blood can ward off bacteria and viruses / other physical things.

It's a warp-spawned Chaos power. Call it a spell, a disease, whatever word you want. It will feth you up just as surely as a Nurgle plague or a bolt of Change.

Kaldor wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:But it isn't a physical ailment. Unless you care to explain how coating yourself in blood can ward off bacteria and viruses / other physical things.

It's a warp-spawned Chaos power. Call it a spell, a disease, whatever word you want. It will feth you up just as surely as a Nurgle plague or a bolt of Change.

Well does it work through Daemonic / Warp means or not?

If it doesn't smearing blood over yourself won't work.

If it does, then the GKs natural protections should be enough. If they aren't, then the Sisters who were immune ought to be doing their job.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Well does it work through Daemonic / Warp means or not?

If it doesn't smearing blood over yourself won't work.

If it does, then the GKs natural protections should be enough. If they aren't, then the Sisters who were immune ought to be doing their job.

It's a warp spawned monstrosity. Not even the most learned of scholars can say exactly how it works, and enquiries too far along that path are indicitave of dangerous radicalism.

But it is known that the sacred protective ritual of St Dumas will keep it at bay. Unfortunately one of the components of that ritual is the freshly spilled lifes blood of the innocent.

To step 'out of character', there is no way of knowing exactly how it works. Further, the wards and mental conditioning of the Grey Knights make it difficult for enemy psykers to affect them, and weaken Daemons. But the Fires of Tzeench will still burn them, and the Plagues of Nurgle will still disease them, and evidently the Bloodtide still has the potential to drive them insane. Perhaps all of the exposed sisters would have gone insane with time, perhaps they were only slower to be effected, who knows?

Kaldor wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:Well does it work through Daemonic / Warp means or not?

If it doesn't smearing blood over yourself won't work.

If it does, then the GKs natural protections should be enough. If they aren't, then the Sisters who were immune ought to be doing their job.

It's a warp spawned monstrosity. Not even the most learned of scholars can say exactly how it works, and enquiries too far along that path are indicitave of dangerous radicalism.

But it is known that the sacred protective ritual of St Dumas will keep it at bay. Unfortunately one of the components of that ritual is the freshly spilled lifes blood of the innocent.

To step 'out of character', there is no way of knowing exactly how it works. Further, the wards and mental conditioning of the Grey Knights make it difficult for enemy psykers to affect them, and weaken Daemons. But the Fires of Tzeench will still burn them, and the Plagues of Nurgle will still disease them, and evidently the Bloodtide still has the potential to drive them insane. Perhaps all of the exposed sisters would have gone insane with time, perhaps they were only slower to be effected, who knows?

Ok, well here's my argument, which yours doesn't counter:

1) Physical harm may still hurt Grey Knights (as in, thermal energy from a fire, biological harm from bacteria, or neurological harm from chemical imbalances for example).
2) Mental harm does not hurt Grey Knights, especially mental harm that doesn't affect some mortals.
3) Spreading blood over oneself does not protect against physical harm.
4) Spreading blood over oneself may protect from mental harm of the "ritualistic" / warp-corruption variety.

Using these premises, I conclude:

1 + 3: Why anoint yourself with blood? You might as well have used acne medicine.
2 + 4: Why anoint yourself with blood? It can't be more protective than the armored soul / hexagrammatic wards / blessing of the Emperor / Aegis / other, more esoteric GK protections.

Therefore:

The Grey Knights need not smear blood all over themselves, because it was either a sickness / a fire / a chemical phenomenon OR it drove people nuts through some kind of warp-majick, against which the Grey Knights are preeminently protected.

I think we can all agree that GK's are flagrant homosexuals

The Blood was part of the ritual. It was a component in forming a talisman to ward off the bloodtide. The blood was not blood, it became a mystic ward. It was transformed, a part of the list ol ingredients the ritual called for. Why was it needed? Because it was needed. Why is any "Mystical" component needed? simply because that is what the spell/ritual calls for. It is not science, it does not need to make sense to work

Also,they did not just " Cover Themselves in blood" as many kept wrongly claiming. It says they used that blood as part of a ritual to make a potent Talisman. It was an freaking ingredient.


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Unit1126PLL wrote:
1 + 3: Why anoint yourself with blood? You might as well have used acne medicine.
2 + 4: Why anoint yourself with blood? It can't be more protective than the armored soul / hexagrammatic wards / blessing of the Emperor / Aegis / other, more esoteric GK protections.

Therefore:

The Grey Knights need not smear blood all over themselves, because it was either a sickness / a fire / a chemical phenomenon OR it drove people nuts through some kind of warp-majick, against which the Grey Knights are preeminently protected.

And again you need to go an reread just what it says. They did number 1 and 2 on your list. They did not simply "Smear blood" on themselves. They used that blood to construct a talisman in a ritual.

Hunterindarkness wrote:The Blood was part of the ritual. It was a component in forming a talisman to ward off the bloodtide. The blood was not blood, it became a mystic ward. It was transformed, a part of the list ol ingredients the ritual called for. Why was it needed? Because it was needed. Why is any "Mystical" component needed? simply because that is what the spell/ritual calls for. It is not science, it does not need to make sense to work

Also,they did not just " Cover Themselves in blood" as many kept wrongly claiming. It says they used that blood as part of a ritual to make a potent Talisman. It was an freaking ingredient.


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Unit1126PLL wrote:
1 + 3: Why anoint yourself with blood? You might as well have used acne medicine.
2 + 4: Why anoint yourself with blood? It can't be more protective than the armored soul / hexagrammatic wards / blessing of the Emperor / Aegis / other, more esoteric GK protections.

Therefore:

The Grey Knights need not smear blood all over themselves, because it was either a sickness / a fire / a chemical phenomenon OR it drove people nuts through some kind of warp-majick, against which the Grey Knights are preeminently protected.

And again you need to go an reread just what it says. They did number 1 and 2 on your list. They did not simply "Smear blood" on themselves. They used that blood to construct a talisman in a ritual.

But some of the Sisters who did not have the talisman / did not perform the ritual were immune to it. So immunity can be achieved without using the blood of innocents.

Perhaps the Sisters of Battle should be doing the job of the GKs, since they don't need old and rarely-spoken of magitech rituals. They can withstand Chaos just with their normal-human guts.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

But some of the Sisters who did not have the talisman / did not perform the ritual were immune to it. So immunity can be achieved without using the blood of innocents.

Perhaps the Sisters of Battle should be doing the job of the GKs, since they don't need old and rarely-spoken of magitech rituals. They can withstand Chaos just with their normal-human guts.

who is to say that some Gray Knights would have not been immune as well? They do not take chances, the sisters where not all immune, they were losing, pretty badly it seemed. So the Knights did what was needed. They pulled out the old spell book, either killed the sisters in cold blood or the sisters Volunteered( It is unclear on which) and made a freaking talisman so they could finish the job. They sisters could not, they were falling, being corrupted and the planet was dying.

You simply have such a hate on for this you are bending and stretching every possible outcome to silly degrees to say there was no reason, when what we have in writing gives a few damned good ones. The blunt truth is as written in 40k so far SoB can't do gak but die. They sure as hell couldn't handle a demon infused nanoswarm from the darkage of man.

Unit1126PLL wrote: 2) Mental harm does not hurt Grey Knights, especially mental harm that doesn't affect some mortals.

Woah woah woah, where are you getting that from?

Unit1126PLL wrote:2 + 4: Why anoint yourself with blood? It can't be more protective than the armored soul / hexagrammatic wards / blessing of the Emperor / Aegis / other, more esoteric GK protections.

And where are you getting this from? One batch of warding does not necessarily provide 100% protection against all things warp based. Why would it?


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Further, just because some people did not immediately display symptoms does not mean they were unaffected. And further to THAT, even if some people had a natural immunity does not mean everyone will. Not everyone will catch cholera from tainted water, but it's still smart to treat your water before you drink it.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

But some of the Sisters who did not have the talisman / did not perform the ritual were immune to it. So immunity can be achieved without using the blood of innocents.

Perhaps the Sisters of Battle should be doing the job of the GKs, since they don't need old and rarely-spoken of magitech rituals. They can withstand Chaos just with their normal-human guts.

who is to say that some Gray Knights would have not been immune as well? They do not take chances, the sisters where not all immune, they were losing, pretty badly it seemed. So the Knights did what was needed. They pulled out the old spell book, either killed the sisters in cold blood or the sisters Volunteered( It is unclear on which) and made a freaking talisman so they could finish the job. They sisters could not, they were falling, being corrupted and the planet was dying.

I question the bolded phrase. IF the GKs were immune, then it wasn't needed. If they weren't immune, then perhaps the Sisters who were should be preserved, so that one day the Imperium can create good defenses, rather than the clearly inadequate ones they have now.

Hunterindarkness wrote:
You simply have such a hate on for this you are bending and stretching every possible outcome to silly degrees to say there was no reason, when what we have in writing gives a few damned good ones. The blunt truth is as written in 40k so far SoB can't do gak but die. They sure as hell couldn't handle a demon infused nanoswarm from the darkage of man.

The quote barely gives any reasons. And you are conflating two different Bloodtides - one is a DAoT weapon, the other is a daemonic force. They are not at all related except by their names.

Kaldor wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote: 2) Mental harm does not hurt Grey Knights, especially mental harm that doesn't affect some mortals.

Woah woah woah, where are you getting that from?

From the statement that the Grey Knights are mortal and none have ever fallen. If you could mentally harm a Grey Knight, then that's a pretty huge chink in their defenses, since the warp is entirely concerned with one's mental well-being.

Kaldor wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:2 + 4: Why anoint yourself with blood? It can't be more protective than the armored soul / hexagrammatic wards / blessing of the Emperor / Aegis / other, more esoteric GK protections.

And where are you getting this from? One batch of warding does not necessarily provide 100% protection against all things warp based. Why would it?

Because it flat-out says it does - they're incorruptible. That is not "almost incorruptible" or "Cannot be tainted by most things."

Of course, they can be hurt by physical warp manifestations, but bathing in blood hardly protects one from physical anything.

Kaldor wrote:
Further, just because some people did not immediately display symptoms does not mean they were unaffected. And further to THAT, even if some people had a natural immunity does not mean everyone will. Not everyone will catch cholera from tainted water, but it's still smart to treat your water before you drink it.

It's true. But rather than murdering the people who are immune to cholera and bathing in their blood because it will somehow protect you, why don't you study one to find out how to cure cholera in everyone?

Melissia wrote:Not taking it personally, so much as I'm disliking it because it is poorly written nonsense.

Right, and I don't think worthy of any serious discussion. It's a bit of kick-ass comic book spiel designed to get 13 year-olds to say 'wow awesome' and then go and buy a Dreadknight, and in that function no doubt it succeeds admirably.

Now if something like this happens in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's forthcoming GK book, then there will be a topic worthy of discussion.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

I question the bolded phrase. IF the GKs were immune, then it wasn't needed. If they weren't immune, then perhaps the Sisters who were should be preserved, so that one day the Imperium can create good defenses, rather than the clearly inadequate ones they have now.

They may or may not have been immune. Some of the sisters seemed to have been. so some of the GK present may or may not have been. Preserving the sisters might have been useful..once they had stopped the tide. But to make sure they could stop the tide they needed a talisman of some power. So They used what they needed to use to gain that. Again agents of the inqusiton do thins like this all the time, it is kinda the MO for them. Use what you need now, if ya can collect samples for later, good if not. Eh oh well.

Your whole argument rests on the idea there was no need. Yet the GK in setting clearly felt they had a need. So honestly unless you can find a real reason( so far you have not in any form) other then you do not like it, your argument is built upon a false statement.


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Unit1126PLL wrote:


Because it flat-out says it does - they're incorruptible. That is not "almost incorruptible" or "Cannot be tainted by most things."

Of course, they can be hurt by physical warp manifestations, but bathing in blood hardly protects one from physical anything.

which does not mean what you are trying to say it does. They can not become tainted and"fall" , however they can be infected, mutated or otherwise physically harmed or altered by chaos. And you keep repeating that falsehood that they simply bathed in blood. It clearly states they used the blood to make a talisman. It was an ingredient, not a thing in and by itself.

Unit1126PLL wrote: From the statement that the Grey Knights are mortal and none have ever fallen. If you could mentally harm a Grey Knight, then that's a pretty huge chink in their defenses, since the warp is entirely concerned with one's mental well-being...

Because it flat-out says it does - they're incorruptible. That is not "almost incorruptible" or "Cannot be tainted by most things."

They are immune to the temptations of the warp. That is the corruption they are immune to. No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Of course, they can be hurt by physical warp manifestations, but bathing in blood hardly protects one from physical anything.

How do you know? Are you a sorceror in the 41st Millenium? It's something that makes the victim go insane. The magic stops that from happening. What part is confusing to you?


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Pacific wrote:Now if something like this happens in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's forthcoming GK book, then there will be a topic worthy of discussion.

Ooh, tell me more!

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

I question the bolded phrase. IF the GKs were immune, then it wasn't needed. If they weren't immune, then perhaps the Sisters who were should be preserved, so that one day the Imperium can create good defenses, rather than the clearly inadequate ones they have now.

They may or may not have been immune. Some of the sisters seemed to have been. so some of the GK present may or may not have been. Preserving the sisters might have been useful..once they had stopped the tide. But to make sure they could stop the tide they needed a talisman of some power. So They used what they needed to use to gain that. Again agents of the inqusiton do thins like this all the time, it is kinda the MO for them. Use what you need now, if ya can collect samples for later, good if not. Eh oh well.

Your whole argument rests on the idea there was no need. Yet the GK in setting clearly felt they had a need. So honestly unless you can find a real reason( so far you have not in any form) other then you do not like it, your argument is built upon a false statement.

No, my reason is that there is no indication that it was necessary except that the GK felt like it. I often feel like I need many things, that doesn't mean I just do them. Especially without any scientific or logical explanation.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

Because it flat-out says it does - they're incorruptible. That is not "almost incorruptible" or "Cannot be tainted by most things."

Of course, they can be hurt by physical warp manifestations, but bathing in blood hardly protects one from physical anything.

which does not mean what you are trying to say it does. They can not become tainted and"fall" , however they can be infected, mutated or otherwise physically harmed or altered by chaos. And you keep repeating that falsehood that they simply bathed in blood. It clearly states they used the blood to make a talisman. It was an ingredient, not a thing in and by itself.

But the implication of a "talisman" means it is something to protect you from magic. If the GKs are not immune to this magic, but some Sisters are, then just make a military body out of those Sisters (or their genes) and fire the Grey Knights. This is like a military using civilians as bullet-shields because the civilians have bullet-proof body armor. Just mass produce the body-armor, nitwits.

Kaldor wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote: From the statement that the Grey Knights are mortal and none have ever fallen. If you could mentally harm a Grey Knight, then that's a pretty huge chink in their defenses, since the warp is entirely concerned with one's mental well-being...

Because it flat-out says it does - they're incorruptible. That is not "almost incorruptible" or "Cannot be tainted by most things."

They are immune to the temptations of the warp. That is the corruption they are immune to. No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Of course, they can be hurt by physical warp manifestations, but bathing in blood hardly protects one from physical anything.

How do you know? Are you a sorceror in the 41st Millenium? It's something that makes the victim go insane. The magic stops that from happening. What part is confusing to you?

I know because it makes physical and logical sense. I know 40k doesn't always do that, and I always, always wince and hate it when it doesn't.

Unit1126PLL wrote:I know because it makes physical and logical sense.

You're expecting magic from the warp to make physical and logical sense.



How about we just settle for internal consistency?

It's quite literally a case of 'a wizard did it'.

Further, with regard to the 'resistant' sisters, would you want to take the risk that they were carriers, and let them go off-world? What if they infected the people investigating them? It'd be like 28 Days Later on a galactic scale! I agree, it would have been cool for the Grey Knights to clap some survivors in irons and take them back to Titan for interrogation and disection to find out what made them resistant in the first place.

But I'm not going to decry the story as rubbish because they didn't want to do that.

Kaldor wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:I know because it makes physical and logical sense.

You're expecting magic from the warp to make physical and logical sense.

No I want the humans in the setting to use their brains. Nothing I have said requires any element of the setting to change except the thoughts and actions of the people involved.

It isn't a good story if the characters all act like children.

Kaldor wrote:
How about we just settle for internal consistency?

It's quite literally a case of 'a wizard did it'.

Further, with regard to the 'resistant' sisters, would you want to take the risk that they were carriers, and let them go off-world? What if they infected the people investigating them? It'd be like 28 Days Later on a galactic scale! I agree, it would have been cool for the Grey Knights to clap some survivors in irons and take them back to Titan for interrogation and disection to find out what made them resistant in the first place.

But I'm not going to decry the story as rubbish because they didn't want to do that.

It's not necessarily so easily dismissed for me I suppose.

I don't like characters who don't use their brains. Especially characters who are supposedly so amazing as the Grey Knights. This is, to me, like a Superman story where he finds another Kryptonian who's resistant to Kryptonite because of the clothes he wears. But instead of just finding that out and wearing the clothes, Superman rips off his skin (clothes and all) and wears it around.

It is a really really bad break from how I would expect humans to behave in a situation, and when one can no longer empathize with a character because he's too stupid / insane / irrational is when a story goes from "Barely believable" to rubbish.

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To put it another way, I feel like I empathize with the humans rather well in 40k, pulling out all stops to try to slow that eventual fall to Chaos. But sometimes in 40k I just facepalm, like with the orthodox Mechanicus law, or ESPECIALLY in cases like this, where there is a valuable weapon for use against chaos that has just become apparent.

Unfortunately, this valuable weapon was just slaughtered wholesale to deal with a threat to a single world. It's a facepalm moment for me.

A further question, if the blood was only an ingredient why would the killing of the sisters be necessary? You can get a good few pints of blood out of a person without killing them.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

No, my reason is that there is no indication that it was necessary except that the GK felt like it. I often feel like I need many things, that doesn't mean I just do them. Especially without any scientific or logical explanation.

A gray Knight who is well versed in the warp, mystical arts and protection of the warp and its creatures deemed it necessary. That is as scientific or logical as anything mystical dealing with the warp ever gets. someone in setting that has studies it, deems you need to do x. Kinda how magic works.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

But the implication of a "talisman" means it is something to protect you from magic. If the GKs are not immune to this magic, but some Sisters are, then just make a military body out of those Sisters (or their genes) and fire the Grey Knights. This is like a military using civilians as bullet-shields because the civilians have bullet-proof body armor. Just mass produce the body-armor, nitwits.

The Gray knights ar enot Immune to magic, the soB are not immune to magic. You had a small number of sisters, and it did seem rather small, who had resisted this one type of physical threat. Not all sisters, not much and maybe none ever again. It was a very, very few one one single world out of a whole temple full. It was more then likely non gentic, many warp resistance things in 40k can not be passed on to offspring.





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Hazardous Harry wrote:A further question, if the blood was only an ingredient why would the killing of the sisters be necessary? You can get a good few pints of blood out of a person without killing them.

All in how many Knights you needed or how much you needed. Then it may have required the "Last drop of blood from an Innocent". It just leaves it vague, all we know it it required their blood (More likely virgin blood honestly) and they died in the progress.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

No, my reason is that there is no indication that it was necessary except that the GK felt like it. I often feel like I need many things, that doesn't mean I just do them. Especially without any scientific or logical explanation.

A gray Knight who is well versed in the warp, mystical arts and protection of the warp and its creatures deemed it necessary. That is as scientific or logical as anything mystical dealing with the warp ever gets. someone in setting that has studies it, deems you need to do x. Kinda how magic works.

I'm sure they did know how to deal with it. Which is awesome and fluffy. The problem is how they went about applying that knowledge.

It'd be like if I knew how to do heart transplants. Awesome. Now I could just use a donated heart. But instead, because it's "easier," I'm going to rip them still beating from the nurses around me. You see nothing wrong with this?

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

But the implication of a "talisman" means it is something to protect you from magic. If the GKs are not immune to this magic, but some Sisters are, then just make a military body out of those Sisters (or their genes) and fire the Grey Knights. This is like a military using civilians as bullet-shields because the civilians have bullet-proof body armor. Just mass produce the body-armor, nitwits.

The Gray knights ar enot Immune to magic, the soB are not immune to magic. You had a small number of sisters, and it did seem rather small, who had resisted this one type of physical threat. Not all sisters, not much and maybe none ever again. It was a very, very few one one single world out of a whole temple full. It was more then likely non gentic, many warp resistance things in 40k can not be passed on to offspring.

It actually specifically says they were immune. And it may not have been genetic. It may have been chemicals, latent psychic potential, faith in the Emperor, etc. But they were -somehow- immune, and you can apply this knowledge elsewhere if you don't murder it for your own uses.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

I'm sure they did know how to deal with it. Which is awesome and fluffy. The problem is how they went about applying that knowledge.

It'd be like if I knew how to do heart transplants. Awesome. Now I could just use a donated heart. But instead, because it's "easier," I'm going to rip them still beating from the nurses around me. You see nothing wrong with this?

As they A: had limited time and B: Are agents of the inquisition and that seems to be standard practice and does not even register on the bad gak list.
Not a bit.

Unit1126PLL wrote:


It actually specifically says they were immune. And it may not have been genetic. It may have been chemicals, latent psychic potential, faith in the Emperor, etc. But they were -somehow- immune, and you can apply this knowledge elsewhere if you don't murder it for your own uses.

You now it never says they were immune. In fact it never states the sister are immune at all, anywhere I can find. What it says is "Needing a talisman for purity to protect against the bloodtides taint" It then says that "innocent" blood is then used.

And yes the Inquisition damned well does murder you for it, if there is a great need right now. If they need something now and useing it may forever lose it without being studies....to bad. They use it and never think twice. that is what they do.