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This is a great movie.

In particular I love how badly it craps on FemThor.

How did it have anything to do with that?

 AduroT wrote:
How did it have anything to do with that?

Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.

MCU isn’t Earth 616. So moving swiftly on...

Happy to hear it’s making good money at the box office higher take than Spider-Man Homecoming, which surprised me,

 AduroT wrote:
Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.

Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.

I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.

 Ouze wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.

Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.

I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.

I don;t read Iron Man comics but I understand that Tony and Pepper are not an item in them whereas in the films its a major plot point - a good one imo.

Again not a Thor Comic reader but doesn't Thor have an complete alter ego in the comics - Film nope.

Destroying Mjolnir was a great way of showing Hela as kick ass both in unvierse and to the viewers. I guess the question is would having Thor as an "office" of the gods add anything to the narrative - espeically the only other "office" holders seem to be Loki (trickster) and Hala (death). They are very much space aliens playing at being gods so it does work either way.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Destroying Mjolnir was a great way of showing Hela as kick ass both in unvierse and to the viewers. I guess the question is would having Thor as an "office" of the gods add anything to the narrative - espeically the only other "office" holders seem to be Loki (trickster) and Hala (death). They are very much space aliens playing at being gods so it does work either way.

I think you could have shown how dire of a thread Hela was in other ways., such as - which is something that could have used some work. Still I can't dispute her destroying Mjolnir did really drive home how powerful she was and I guess if she hadn't, it would have been more difficult to visualize Thor's

You have a good point that having Thor as an office doesn't really add anything useful to the MCU as it is, but in the long term, having the option to have someone else be able to assume the office might have been handy. Still, the place where they wrecked that in retrospect wasn't actually this movie - it was Age of Ultron, when The Vision did not gain the power of Thor. So, nevermind I guess

Saw it Saturday. Enjoyed every bit of it.

I'm not a fan of Goldbloom, but I did enjoy his smarmy character.

As a related note to the MCU as a whole, I saw Antman for the first time night. Meh. I can check that box now, at least. Still haven't seen Iron Man 3.

I think Antman has one of the Best Stan Lee Cameos though

Yeah, no Donald Blake!

He very briefly went by the name, rather the name was used by the Doctors to get him out of SHIELD custody, of Donald Blake. But only the once and it was never mentioned again.

I went to see this and both screenings were sold out at the time I could go. It was a Tuesday night.....


:(

 Easy E wrote:
I went to see this and both screenings were sold out at the time I could go. It was a Tuesday night.....


:(

Wow! Really? Sold out on a Tuesday?

It is a great movie.

I can honestly say I've never sat through a film that felt so much like playing through a videogame before, and not in a bad way. Easily the best Thor film and honestly, one of the best screenpalys in the MCU. Wonderful acting throughout and just a lot of raw, fist pumping joy beginning to end.

The editing has some oddities though. This often takes the form of of some "fart in the elevator" kind of jokes that probably should have been cut. They're going to be the main point of criticism for the film, even if they're more of a distraction than a real problem. There are other notable editing issues through the film including some bits of action that don't follow as if an important transition got cut and the like, but they are overall rare compared to the spectacular choreography throughout.

Also, man is this movie not afraid to dive in with both arms and go deep into the MCU continuity. In some ways, this is the opposite of what fans were disappointed with in Age of Ultron, which was clearly designed to stand alone in a sort of "trickle down" continuity system. Here we have a film that pulls from at least 5 other films pretty significantly and takes a lot of its world building from at least 2 more. I've always loved Marvel's cosmic stuff, and its fantastic to see them really let loose with that here.

Great film, totally worth seeing.

 Ouze wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.

Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.

I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.

That's because MCU Thor is based more on Ultimate Thor, where he is literally is the God of Thunder and has no alter ego (though how and where he gains his power has changed in the Ultimate Universe).

That's fair. I have zero familiarity with the Ultimate Thor.

 Ouze wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.

Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.

I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.

For years the comic very blatantly put forth that Mjolnir was Odin's efforts to reduce Thor's power and meant to teach him humility. This isn't a retcon, it is actually going back to the original premise for Mjolnir/Thor. Thor isn't an office, it's his name.

I believe it is during the Eternal's Saga that they bring up the multiple 'lives' Odin has made Thor live through (including one in which he is romantically involved with a Valkyrie), and how he essentially channels Thor's power into Mjolnir to prevent him from becoming too powerful.

He's flown, wielded the lightning, and all the rest without the hammer many times. This movie was chock a block full of references to old cannon.

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
Thor isn't an office, it's his name.

And yet Beta Ray Bill

 Ouze wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
Thor isn't an office, it's his name.

And yet Beta Ray Bill

Spoiler:

clearly exists in the MCU since you see his head on the coliseum or whatever it is.

Beta Ray was never Thor. Wielded the power, yes, but never Thor. Donald Blake was, at one point revealed to be Thor with his memories and powers stripped from him.

 Ouze wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
Thor isn't an office, it's his name.

And yet Beta Ray Bill

Spoiler:

clearly exists in the MCU since you see his head on the coliseum or whatever it is.

It's a Korbinite head for sure, but I don't think it's been confirmed to be Beta Ray Bill.

I actually like FemThor...

 Galas wrote:
I actually like FemThor...

NaPo's comics equivalent?

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
Thor isn't an office, it's his name.

And yet Beta Ray Bill

Spoiler:

clearly exists in the MCU since you see his head on the coliseum or whatever it is.

Beta Ray was never Thor. Wielded the power, yes, but never Thor.

This is literally the exact distinction I made that you disagreed with. I think we're agreeing, rather than disagreeing.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
Thor isn't an office, it's his name.

And yet Beta Ray Bill

Spoiler:

clearly exists in the MCU since you see his head on the coliseum or whatever it is.

It's a Korbinite head for sure, but I don't think it's been confirmed to be Beta Ray Bill.

Not definitively, sure, but it's strongly alluded to be him.

 Galas wrote:
I actually like FemThor...

The first eight issue storyline was bad, but it’s gotten really good since then.

Saw it, really enjoyed it, but it's no great work of art. Some of the jokes are awful and break all tension. Thor's interactions with Bruce Banner completely fail to build the buddy-buddy-adventure, and the deliberate jokes regarding the difference between Bruce and Hulk are terribly forced (though the rest of the audience laughed the whole way through, so what do I know). There is no chemistry there and it's a relief when the green guy comes back.

Bruce bouncing on the bridge destroyed the tension and heroism of the scene. The opening scene dangling on the chain was like something from a cheap sketch show. The friggin shake weight! Lots of little things that didn't work and were too much.

Other things worked beautifully. The ball bouncing off the window, Hulk laughing as Thor gets zapped, Loki's face during the whole of the arena scene. The selfy! All wonderfully light hearted, funny and natural feeling. Nothing forced.

Another misstep (the biggest in the movie?) was Skurge. Nothing in particular, just his whole presence in the film. Every single bit of it. You can rewrite the whole film without him in it and it doesn't change a thing, you wouldn't notice his absence. He did nothing. There was one opportunity in the film to do something with his character, to make him do something that would be truly worthy of redemption and actually feel like he is involved in the events going on around him. Instead they chickened out and he did nothing, and he is confined to spend the whole movie as nothing more than an excuse for other characters' exposition. The conclusion to his story has no pay off as he has spent his time being guileless comic relief who we can brush aside.

Also got to agree with LunarSol. This film used Dr Strange, Hulk, Thor, jokes about the Avengers, the Tesseract, the Infinity Gauntlet. The director was smart enough to know you either already get this stuff or that you don't really need to understand it all to enjoy the movie. There wasn't an over abundance of repeating stuff we already know to slow the story down.

Overall a really enjoyable film. Not GotG good, never going to be a classic, but very good.

 Henry wrote:
There is no chemistry there

I'm wondering if you saw a different movie than I did?

The friggin shake weight!

It was added by Taika Waititi as an inside joke (he bought when he was staring in the awful Green Lantern movie).

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Henry wrote:
There is no chemistry there

I'm wondering if you saw a different movie than I did?

No, we just see different things. Thor and Hulk worked brilliantly. Thor and Banner, to me, was staid.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

The friggin shake weight!

It was added by Taika Waititi as an inside joke (he bought when he was staring in the awful Green Lantern movie).

The problem with inside jokes is that, unless you're on the inside, they aren't funny.

 kronk wrote:
Still haven't seen Iron Man 3.

You're not missing anything.