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Flashman wrote:So... fake then. I'm kind of relieved. Those rules actually made my head hurt.

Managed reserves would have been good though

Are you basing this on the 4chan post or the denial by gw? Because neither of those is actually reliable as evidence.

Well, it Seems to be too Good to Be written by a gw employee.

We won't know for sure if these are fake or not for awhile, I'm still under the impression they are real

Rented Tritium wrote:

Flashman wrote:So... fake then. I'm kind of relieved. Those rules actually made my head hurt.

Managed reserves would have been good though

Are you basing this on the 4chan post or the denial by gw? Because neither of those is actually reliable as evidence.

Both, in fact, point towards true they are so bad.

Flashman wrote:So... fake then. I'm kind of relieved. Those rules actually made my head hurt.

Managed reserves would have been good though

Where are you getting this information?

The secret box is NOT Space Hulk...

These rules are NOT 6th Edition....

Satan wrote:

Posts like this don't add anything to the discussion - I don't mean to be rude, but if you know something then spill some beans.

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No worries mate, it doesn't come across as rude.

I'm not able to say anything else unfortunately, as I've been told in confidence.

Is this ruleset fake? Maybe. Still, when the Grey Knight codex leak happened, I thought they were pure bunk - a fan-made, drug induced wishlist at best. Boy, was I wrong.

Real or fake, we should petition GW to make this a reality. So many here have said they like what they see and it would be a good time to tell GW to listen to the gamers!

It'd be funny if these were fake, and ended up coming out as generic miniature rules after the official GW 6th came out, and vast amounts of 40k players played these underground rules instead.

"Oh, I only play the official 6th edition rules at tournies. Otherwise I use these better rules that appeared back in January..."

Pacific wrote:No worries mate, it doesn't come across as rude.

I'm not able to say anything else unfortunately, as I've been told in confidence.

and yet you said something, which makes it unlikely that you actually know something.

Breotan wrote: a fan-made, drug induced wishlist at best. Boy, was I wrong.

No, you were right.

Pacific wrote:

Satan wrote:

Posts like this don't add anything to the discussion - I don't mean to be rude, but if you know something then spill some beans.

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No worries mate, it doesn't come across as rude.

I'm not able to say anything else unfortunately, as I've been told in confidence.

Ok, but I take it you can, according to your source - say that these aren't the rules/droids we're looking for. As far as you've heard that is. :-)

I definitely like the look of these rules a lot more than the messy imbalance of 5th, and am looking forward to hearing back from people who've playtested them.

agnosto wrote:The secret box is NOT Space Hulk...

That one's a classic.

Satan wrote:

Ok, but I take it you can, according to your source - say that these aren't the rules/droids we're looking for. As far as you've heard that is. :-)

In any case, I think it's out of the bag now, as messages went out to all the GW stores about it today.

Pacific wrote:

Satan wrote:

Ok, but I take it you can, according to your source - say that these aren't the rules/droids we're looking for. As far as you've heard that is. :-)

In any case, I think it's out of the bag now, as messages went out to all the GW stores about it today.

But a GW denial is not proof either way. They would deny it no matter what.

I would consider using these even if they turn out to be fake! I like the idea of grouping movements and assaults at the beginning of the turn and the tweaks to template/blast weapons. Perhaps the greatest is the wound allocation nerf and KP change that makes a death star unit a juicy target. =]

Guys no one is going to convince the other-side of one way or the other, each side will be able to debase any argument the other side puts forward so lets drop it. That is unless you take pride in wasting your time. So for the sake of continued dialogue that is worthwhile I am going to treat it as a early draft of some rules we can expect in 6th and go from there. Does not matter if they are real or not I can still have fun with them.

As I am sure it has been stated before, the GK codex was a good example of a leak that became true. Now the 6th ed rules? Im going to wait and see on this one, but my gut tells me its the real thing maybe with a few tweeks here and there.

Another note, lack of templars on the codex update, which just seems to fit perfectly with other rumors out there as templars being the launch bed for 6th ed.

I want to go on record to vouch for Pacific. Not that it may mean anything to anyone.

Concerning the "leaked" rules: Maybe I'm crazy, but I was reminded of playing in 2nd edition as I read through it.

agnosto wrote:The secret box is NOT Space Hulk...

These rules are NOT 6th Edition....

Yeah, the space hulk denial weeks before its release (and after months of rumors about it being space hulk) will pretty much get me to not believe any further denials.

Feldmarshal Goehring wrote:

Concerning the "leaked" rules: Maybe I'm crazy, but I was reminded of playing in 2nd edition as I read through it.

I was, too. That's why I'm hoping these aren't the real 6th ed rules.

Knowing my luck, they will be and it'll finally push me from "not buying GW anymore" to full "done with buying AND playing GW" status.

Leth wrote:Guys no one is going to convince the other-side of one way or the other, each side will be able to debase any argument the other side puts forward so lets drop it.

Rubbing in one's standpoint makes the I-told-you-so moment much much sweeter. That's what it's about.

If these rules are fake, we've been handed a golden opportunity. Strip out all the GW stuff, reduce them to bare rules, and disseminate them. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but game rules themselves are not copyrightable or trademarkable, so we could take the rules content itself and reword them if necessary for release.

If Kenzer & Company can manage to do it with Kingdoms of Kalamar (and against the industry titan WOTC, no less), I see no reason why we could not do the same here.

pretre wrote:

Pacific wrote:

Satan wrote:

Ok, but I take it you can, according to your source - say that these aren't the rules/droids we're looking for. As far as you've heard that is. :-)

In any case, I think it's out of the bag now, as messages went out to all the GW stores about it today.

But a GW denial is not proof either way. They would deny it no matter what.

Reminds me of Life of Brian and that only the true Messiah would deny his divinty

You know. I'm sad about one thing, nothing has been done to curtail the melta suicide squad that I feel as really ruined the game. It's completely unrealistic.

A poll about this being real or fake would be fun.

Easier to count how many I-told-yo-so will have.

Andrew1975 wrote:You know. I'm sad about one thing, nothing has been done to curtail the melta suicide squad that I feel as really ruined the game. It's completely unrealistic.

Yeah, because people have never gone on suicide missions to take out high value targets in literature, movies, video games or reality.

Wouldn't they need to deny this in any case?
If it was a Intentional leak, so as it get us excited or playtest the rules, or gauge response, our feedback could be biased if we knew it was real, thus we wouldn't poke the same kind of holes in the idea.
If it was an accidental leak of the real/early product, they need to deny it was so that they can keep up IP rights on their own merchandise. Otherwise any fake codex that doesn't say "I'm fake" could claim precedent from this one for being real.
If it is a fan/troll dex, they are in all rights to deny it since such is true and has caused enough of a stir that they need to shut it up.

GW's biggest problem is if real 6th edition is an exact or exact enough copy of these rules that people now no longer have to buy the codex when 6th comes out, they can just play with what we all have now, (with minor edits if necessary).

Of course, there is the chance that GW's marketing staff determined that releasing this leak would drive up excitement/rumors/emotions about their product enough that the few people who print out this thing and don't just buy a codex anyway lose them less money than they gain from all this chatter making people want the new edition.

You get a heck of a lot more sales by getting people exicted about buying something BEFORE it's avaliable, than you do making it avaliable and telling everyone it's good afterward. I'm looking at you video game pre-orders.

Edit: Especially if it turns out to suck afterwards. ::has buyers remorse::

I can honestly say that if the 6th ed rules from games-workshop don't look like this "leak" then it looks like I'm going to be playing some fan made rules. If someone knows something, just confirm it....damn.

In any case: The mystery release is NOT Space Hulk. Being reminded of that got me laughing pretty hard