Tyranids 2nd Wave Rumours (Actual Updates on Page 29, Pics on Page 31!)

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**Tzeentchling9**

Soul of Iron wrote:Good looking stuff.

To tell the truth, I'm quite surprised how little I find myself caring. I want to give a damn about this release, but to me nids need more then a few poorly scheduled/released kits.

SoI

Same here.

I've already converted a Tervigon and I hardly ever want to use the one in lieu of tGenestealer, Warriors, or Hormagaunts. I love playing with those units.

I already have two converted Tyrannofexes.....

I already have a walking tyrant, a winged tyrant, and a Swarmlord.

The only thing I'm slightly tempted to get is a plastic Flyrant because I think the model with the serpentine tail is pretty neat, but I'm not sure if I want to get it because it's such a poor choice in game.

**Soul of Iron**

Tzeentchling9 wrote:... The only thing I'm slightly tempted to get is a plastic Flyrant because I think the model with the serpentine tail is pretty neat, but I'm not sure if I want to get it because it's such a poor choice in game.

Exactly. It's hard enough trying to find cover for just a few of our big bugs. The flygrant will be blasted out of the air in one turn in my store. I love the model, but nids need more then new kits.

SoI

**DarthSpader**

i think alot of people are in this boat...its been so long since the dex release with no sniff of the much needed models, most have converted their own, or play other armies. this little minor release, while nice only really helps someone either just starting or planning on starting a bug army - or somebody who wants the legit models in favor of their own conversions or scratchbuilds. all in all, imho poor form on GW end. even the SW stuff is kind of in the same boat.

**Kroothawk**

Because the topic of a possible delay due to the Chapterhouse lawsuit came up on Warseer and was immediately debunked as rubbish by the mods over there, straightsilver (the original source of that rumour) answered this:

straightsilver wrote:Concerning the Chapterhouse lawsuit, I would be the person concerned who first bought it to light.

Unfortunately my original comments were cut and pasted from DakkaDakka and spread like wildfire, and in many cases I was misquoted.

Essentially I was told over a year ago, by a very, very reliable source (who shall remain unnamed) that certain kits were being held back by GW as there were concerns regarding the Chapterhouse lawsuit.

GW had been advised that because they had not released physical representations of Thunderwolves, Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Doom etc that third parties who already had could contest ownership.

GW have never released a Thunderwolf model, they have released Canis Wolfborn, and as such own the rights to a model caleed Canis Wolfborn, but had not yet released Thunderwolves.

There was a fear that releasing these models after other third party manufacturers (not just CHS) would weaken their case against Chapterhouse.

The most contentious of these models being the Doom of Malantai, Tervigon and Thunderwolves.

However it is no coincidence that several months ago GW hired a new IP lawyer, who now advises them on exactly these kind of issues, and it is obvious that their legal advisors have said it's ok to release these models.

It's not a coincidence that Thunderwolves and the Tervigon have been released simultaneously just before the case gainst Chapterhouse goes to trial.
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I reckon it will be at least a year if not longer before we get any resolution on that, if any resolution can ever be met as it looks as though neither side is willing to back down.

However I expect that GW is keen to win this (not that I'm saying that they will, I think they have made some howling errors tbh) if only because of license deals like the one for the Hobbit.

But I expect ChapterHouse and all the other third party companies will be trading for the forseeable future.
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The general concensus (Edit: From people I know at GW HQ) is that these originally weren't going to be released together, but the schedule got messed up by some bad legal advice, and GW have been waiting for an opportunity to release them ever since.

They were well aware of the feeling of the community towards either not being released and a few months ago decided to add them into the Feb / March schedule as "birthday presents" for 40k fans.

Branderic wrote:It irks me that you say there is a general consensus that the Nids were delayed for legal reasons, so I must post that I dissent from this opinion.

Hi Branderic,

No worries, I have edited my post for clarity, but I agree that not everybody will agree with my perception of what has gone on, I am just passing on rumours that I hear when I vist Lenton, as I have friends there.
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I am 99% sure it's (i.e. the Harpy)coming, and will be on the oval flying stand, roughly between Razorwing and Valkyrie size.

Almost all of the new Codexes will have flyers in, and those that do will get a model, at some point.

Branderic wrote:If 6E has flyer rules that would be an excellent time to release the Harpy. Just sayin...

**-Loki-**

DarthSpader wrote:i think alot of people are in this boat...its been so long since the dex release with no sniff of the much needed models, most have converted their own, or play other armies

Don't mistake Dakka and Warseer as the greater buying base of GW. There's more people playing that don't even know that message boards exist than post on them. There's far more people out there that have no idea things like the chapterhouse exist than have even seen it on a site. There's going to be plenty of people buying these models.

**Surtur**

-Loki- wrote:
Surtur wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:
Surtur wrote:I've run trygon primes to great success. When you pick up 18 dice and say "I gots dis many shots " and your opponent looks like you just shot his dog, you know you did something right. Just deepstrike them. I usually wind up unloading into the rear armor of a tank of some sort, but pray to the Emperor should you be running devastators.
If you pick up 18 dice while shooting with a Trygon Prime, I'd ask where you got those 6 extra dice. Then you know you've done something wrong.

If you're really into rolling tons of dice, nothing much beats Termagants with Devourers (Devilgaunts). Tactically questionable, but for the price of a Trygon Prime, you get 24 Devilgaunts for a total of 72 shots. If you're really that into deep striking, shove 20 Devilgaunts into a spore pod for a nice 60 devourer shots and 6 whips all for the exact same cost as a Trygon Prime... as troops... and enables you a troops Tervigon.

Because it's a monstrous creature with an assault 12 and an assault 6 weapon both S5 AP5. MCs allow you to fire two weapons.

Trygon Primes do not retain the old Bio-electric pulse. They replace the assault 6 version with the assault 12 version, they don't get both.

OK I see what it is now. Containments spines are a weapon that's not a weapon, but an upgrade that's in addition to a weapon. Did Jeremy Vetock write this rule and entry?

**Traceoftoxin**

Surtur wrote:OK I see what it is now. Containments spines are a weapon that's not a weapon, but an upgrade that's in addition to a weapon. Did Jeremy Vetock write this rule and entry?

Just Cruddace. As usual.

Based on the trends in Tyranid models, I expect the Harpy to be ~65 dollars and MASSIVE.

**rigeld2**

Traceoftoxin wrote:Based on the trends in Tyranid models, I expect the Harpy to be ~65 dollars and MASSIVE.

In other words, worthless. Trygons are hard to get cover saves with now. Put one up on a oval flight stand and you'll never get one. And the rules for the Harpy don't lend it to taking when it's that easy to shoot.

**theunicorn**

If the leaked 6th ed ed rules keep the targeting rules about ignoring wings and Tails then it could be said that the trygon is the worst designed model ever because the body if elevated by a Tail that should be ignored for targeting purposes, combined with the fact that the torso is in a very rigid / standing at attention pose.

Quite possibly the worst case of modeling for a disadvantage ever.

**Pilgrim Argyllian**

Not sure how the sprues are going to look, but when I build a T-fex, I reckon the spare belly from the tervigon might just make a good "door"/ basis for a myetic spore?

**Tzeentchling9**

Soul of Iron wrote:
Tzeentchling9 wrote:... The only thing I'm slightly tempted to get is a plastic Flyrant because I think the model with the serpentine tail is pretty neat, but I'm not sure if I want to get it because it's such a poor choice in game.

Exactly. It's hard enough trying to find cover for just a few of our big bugs. The flygrant will be blasted out of the air in one turn in my store. I love the model, but nids need more then new kits.

SoI

I know. I go to the same store. *Points at signature*

**Redemption**

Lots of high res pictures, and even some new ones, can be found here:
http://spanish-team.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=735&start=6105

**scarletsquig**

^ Thanks for the link!

Wolves and Flyrant look really great. Wolves are Trish Carden sculpts.

As much as everyone likes to rag on her, those are some damn nice wolves, nice dynamic sculpts in 5 different poses which should make a bunch of them look really great together.

**H.B.M.C.**

Which makes them all the more impressive.

Damn it - why do I like the TWC models? I shouldn't!!!

Heh, cool picture... and... feth me the Tervigon/Tyrannofex is huge!!!

**slice'n'dice**

Some nice pics in there - will definitely be getting a copy of this white dwarf!

I'm assuming the battle report will be Nids vs Space Wolfs, though it will have to be a very large game if they want to show off all the nice new minis

**H.B.M.C.**

I can't read Spanish so I'll ask what may be a dumb question:

Are we 100% certain that the new Flyrant kit comes with the necessary parts to make a bog-standard plastic walking Tyrant? I ask because in that big ol' comparison chart I've got up there the regular Tyrant looks exactly like the metal one.

I mean, they've done metal-to-plastic before with no real change in how the model looks, but I want to be certain.

**lord_blackfang**

We'll know tomorrow when preorders go up, won't we?

**H.B.M.C.**

Tomorrow hey? Hmm...

**DarkStarSabre**

Got birthday money in.

Enough for a Tervigon which is good as I really had no plans for Tyrannofexes (Seriously, my Heavy Support options tend to be Trygons and Biovores. If I feel exotic I will muck with Carnifexes).

I'll just have to save up for Tervigon 2 (Which is also good as I tend to mono-Tervigon at the best of times).

And money left over for food and things!

**LunaHound**

Are you sure the size comparison are accurate? I have those models and Carnifex + Tyrant arnt anywhere near that tiny to Trygons.

Also my god Arjac you are so ugly, its like Hindu monk in Power Armor....

**Temujin**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't read Spanish so I'll ask what may be a dumb question:

Are we 100% certain that the new Flyrant kit comes with the necessary parts to make a bog-standard plastic walking Tyrant? I ask because in that big ol' comparison chart I've got up there the regular Tyrant looks exactly like the metal one.

I mean, they've done metal-to-plastic before with no real change in how the model looks, but I want to be certain.

If it can make the Swarmlord surely it includes regular walking parts.

**Sheck2**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heh, cool picture... and... **** me the Tervigon/Tyrannofex is huge!!!

Yes that scale photo just sold me too...now I'm buy'em even though I have all of them and enough of them converted.

**thephenomenalZ**

I don't think they are coming out with any...

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I don't think they are coming out with any...

**Kroothawk**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are we 100% certain that the new Flyrant kit comes with the necessary parts to make a bog-standard plastic walking Tyrant?

Well, I am

**TBD**

The new pictures appear to show the Thunder Wolves indeed have saddles and that there are bionic leg options.

**LazzurusMan**

The manager of my local GW just put this on FaceBook...
"OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE JUST READ MY WHITE DWARF AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GET SPOILED ROTTEN THIS MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITS AMAZING!"

I had to restrain myself from listing the new stuff XD

**RiTides**

Argh, trying not to be tempted by all this.............

**tetrisphreak**

Yup, the size of the T-fex and Tervigon kits confirms it - My carnifex conversions are 1/2 the size of a 'gw standard' Tervigon. This means for me (and probably lots of others) who play semi-competitively that we all need to buy the new kit, so our models are legally sized and not 'modeled for advantage'. Normally I'd be po'ed about having to replace models but this time i'm not for a couple reasons:

My 'nids are largely shelved for the time being; i can update my collection one at a time and more slowly than if they were my main force.

The conversions were made mostly from carnifexes I already had purchased. 2 Were new purchases. But those were 2 years ago so it's been awhile since i've bought any big nid beasties.

And finally, the kits are so frickin' beautiful. When it is all said and done I will end up with 3 tervigons and 2 tyrannofexes. Just not all at once. Well done, GW, you found a way to get me to buy models from the worst of my 3 armies.

**rigeld2**

RiTides wrote:Argh, trying not to be tempted by all this.............

Send me your money so you won't be tempted.

**Kanluwen**

Tetris: make them stand on rocks to match the height, and I don't think anyone would really have an issue.