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Well as far as the DS LRs go, just about everyone and their brother can take them as a dedicated transport - no additional point cost.
Unfortunately I didnt get to spend as much time looking as I would have liked.

Green Blow Fly wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:The one in the picture is the old model.

No it isn't, despite how often you keep repeating this.

I reckon you owe someone a...... battleforce was it ?

I suggested a Dev squad... then it fell through. Anyways I would love to see some real proof the Baal in the picture is the new all plastic crack model.


G

It didnt fell through , i settled for devastator. We are now just waiting for the release to confirm.

Luna go back and read the posts in this thread.

1) you never agreed upon Devs until just now... Which is too late... Sorry.

2) the bet was in regard to the Baal in the picture, not just a new release. Sorry.

G

yes , the agreement was whether Baal would be made into plastic.

Not new release , Plastic.

II x IIII

Oh great and exalted viewers of the codex, what weapon options do assault squads have? My unpainted assault squads await your responses with undo anticipation.

Hulksmash wrote:
As for the chaplain oddly enough Blood Angels have the only 3W and 3A Chappies. But they are still in. As well as being a unit upgrade.

JonnyDelta wrote:Seriously though, 'Liturgies of Blood' (formerly litanies of hate) Now allows the reroll of missed HTH hits, AND wounds...
A long time BA player now grins evilly at all who oppose him.

This prompts a fist pump and exclamations of joy from everyone who misses the 4E codex. I'm guessing it's too much to hope they are I5?

Just saw a picture of the summary page on the blood angels rumors thread at BOLS and the Reclusiarch chaplains are indeed I:5 according to that photo. Lemartes's stat line had a rather interesting surprise too, at least I thought so anyway.

All I've got to add for now. Thanks.

-RT-

Red__Thirst wrote:Just saw a picture of the summary page on the blood angels rumors thread at BOLS and the Reclusiarch chaplains are indeed I:5 according to that photo. Lemartes's stat line had a rather interesting surprise too, at least I thought so anyway.

All I've got to add for now. Thanks.

-RT-

yes Yes YESS!

The only thing that would make this better is if devs could take specail weapons like havocs...

Green Blow Fly wrote:
It didnt fell through , i settled for devastator. We are now just waiting for the release to confirm.

Luna go back and read the posts in this thread.

1) you never agreed upon Devs until just now... Which is too late... Sorry.

2) the bet was in regard to the Baal in the picture, not just a new release. Sorry.

G

So how come the "assaulty" chapters get cheaper heavy weapons than Vanilla SM? /sadface

Because of codex creep, which I have recently been convinced exists.

Eh, I wouldn't attribute that to codex creep. Devestators weren't taken that often before, so it's not like they were already good and made even better.

Neconilis wrote:Oh great and exalted viewers of the codex, what weapon options do assault squads have? My unpainted assault squads await your responses with undo anticipation.

As someone who's about to start building up assault squads, I'm curious about this myself. Along with what options sgts have, as I want to have an idea on how I'll be equipping them.

LunaHound wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:The one in the picture is the old model.

No it isn't, despite how often you keep repeating this.

I reckon you owe someone a...... battleforce was it ?

I suggested a Dev squad... then it fell through. Anyways I would love to see some real proof the Baal in the picture is the new all plastic crack model.


G

It didnt fell through , i settled for devastator. We are now just waiting for the release to confirm.

Luna go back and read the posts in this thread.

1) you never agreed upon Devs until just now... Which is too late... Sorry.

2) the bet was in regard to the Baal in the picture, not just a new release. Sorry.

G

yes , the agreement was whether Baal would be made into plastic.

Not new release , Plastic.

II x IIII

LunaHound wrote:
2010/02/21 23:52:47
Green Blow Fly wrote:
The gunshield could have been glued differently. I've already stated the modeler may have either differently mounted the cannon internally or simply used the corressponding bits from a landraider kit.

The terms on the bet with Luna were never agreed upon... She wants to bet on a battleforce and I offered a box of Devastators. xD

G
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Well im fine with box of devastators , but cant be 100% sure without release in a few month

Its just a box of devastartor GBF , dont dodge an agreement like that -_-

Well, you both suck, GBF, we can't tell untill the release because if they release a new kit that looks nearly identical and all plastic, then we know it was all plastic. Lunahound, it's a box of devestators, do they really mean that much to you?

I thing you should both just get over it and give up.

Cant back out now GBF she agreed to your bet way back when you weren't willing to pony up a battle force.

Not to derail the important discussion on not paying off on bets...

Anyone who's gotten some face-time with the book want to let us know if Furioso's got the Ironclad's armour buff, or is that something for us to stay jealous of Codex: Space Marines (and Bjorn) for?

Jack

13 Front and 12 Side. On the Furioso's. Libarian Dreads are an upgrade on the Furioso. Not sure if the Death Company ones are 13 Front as well.

Fun side note Furioso's and DC Dreads can exchange their DCCW's for basically dreadnought lightning claws. For every person they kill they get another attack too

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Because of codex creep, which I have recently been convinced exists.

I think "codex creep" is something mostly in people's heads. There's a power level disparity with codices, but that's to be expected in a game where not every army gets a new codex every edition.

But it's not like every new codex that comes out is more mind-blowingly amazing than the last. Tyranids was hardly game-breaking, right? The 5E power level is different from the 4E power level, but that's only because there was a different design philosophy behind each. And if they didn't raise the bar, why would anyone buy new models and codices?

Crunch-wise BA just sounds like SM Codex with a "this gak is fast" theme, with a few things thematically cheaper like Vanguard vets, but many things more expensive. I mean, if there were 35 point fast rhinos, I'd agree, but a 50% point increase isn't negligible. And until we know all of the point costs, it's way to early to make "ZOMG CODEX CREEP" claims like that anyway.


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Hulksmash wrote:

Fun side note Furioso's and DC Dreads can exchange their DCCW's for basically dreadnought lightning claws. For every person they kill they get another attack too

Wow, that sounds potent. I'm assuming it doesn't keep giving you bonuses off of the bonus attacks though. Even at S6 you're going to tear through (and hopefully sweep) the majority of most infantry.

Roleplayer wrote:Man, why would I ever play Codex Marines again. They seem to have everything codex has, and more.

Aside from Vulkan, Ironclads, Sternguard, LotD, etc., sure.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Roleplayer wrote:Man, why would I ever play Codex Marines again. They seem to have everything codex has, and more.

Aside from Vulkan, Ironclads, Sternguard, LotD, etc., sure.

While I see your point, might I feel I should remind you that sternguard are in the new codex.

Hulksmash wrote:13 Front and 12 Side. On the Furioso's. Libarian Dreads are an upgrade on the Furioso. Not sure if the Death Company ones are 13 Front as well.

Fun side note Furioso's and DC Dreads can exchange their DCCW's for basically dreadnought lightning claws. For every person they kill they get another attack too

Man that is just wrong Bjorn has had a lightning claw since 2ed and he doesn't get that.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Roleplayer wrote:Man, why would I ever play Codex Marines again. They seem to have everything codex has, and more.

Aside from Vulkan, Ironclads, Sternguard, LotD, etc., sure.

While I see your point, might I feel I should remind you that sternguard are in the new codex.

Vulkan? What if you're not Salamanders theme? (Plus I feel he doesn't compare to what some of these new characters seem like)

Yes, legion of the damned are a TOTALLY awesome Unit, real good investment of points there *eye roll*

And Blood Angels have sternguard, apparently.

I think you'll be seeing even marines painted Ultramarines being fielded as Blood Angels with Calgar counting as Dante

Combat tactics was supposed to be the defnininfg thing for Codex Marines. I rekon its dumb that a non Codex chapter gets Combat Tactics + Special rules of their own.

But, maybe the points costs will make all the cross over options incredibly expensive....

New pics of Blood Angels:
First pic: Astorath
Second pic:New Lemartes with new DC
Third Pic:Sanguinor with new Sanguinary Guard

......

I...

Want...

These..

Models..

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Out of all of them, the Death Company have me going googly eyed... Lemartese Finally looks as bad ass as I always envisioned him.. and they just look amazing..

I will be purchasing several of these sprues.. No question asked..

Sweet mercy.. I need a change of pants now..

-RT-

GW is finally making the legs longer and straighter , and less hunched. Very good!

The wings are... ugly. I know they are supposed to be mechanical but..
it just looks like badly sculpted thick wings.

Failed attempt to duplicate C-Lover

The new models got me stunned with awe as theyre soooo good!
These are the best looking marines EVER!!!

Not a fan of Astorath... he's got the same 'lack of sense of motion while floating inexplicably in mid-air' sort of pose as the Harlequins.

The others, though... Lemartes is so much better than the original that there's just no comparison, and the Sanguinary Guard look much better than I had expected. The white wings are the only thing that lets them down... Makes them look like badly sculpted feathers rather than mechanical constructs. Painted in metalics, or at least scratched and dented up, I think they'll work much better.

I like them all. The Sanguinary guard and the DC especially, but the new SCs are quite awesome as well and will eventually find their way into my collections.

Roleplayer wrote:Man, why would I ever play Codex Marines again. They seem to have everything codex has, and more.

Blood Angels don't have Vulkan, Kantor, Lysander, Khan, Calgar, Cassius, Sicarius, Sgt. Telion, Masters of the Forge, Ironclad Dreadnoughts, Land Speeder Storms, Scout Bikes, Bikes as Troops (unclear), cheaper TH/SS Terminators, cheaper Transports, Combat Tactics that you can rely on having, or the conventional Marine FOC.

Zomg great models! Agree that Astorath's pose isn't the best, but angling the parchments backwards and mebbe switch arms would do wonders. I especially like Sanguinary Guard, finally more ab armour!

...And don't you love how Sanguinor is expressing supreme confidence in his invulnerable save?

I love Astorath. That pose just screams "DEATH FROM ABOVE!"

want to see more detail of Astorath's face.