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Drachii wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I too am shocked at the lack of Matt Ward related hate but pleased so little has occurred.

i think we are over it.

NEVAR FORGET

rofl!

let me rephrase. i think we are in agreement.

Vhalyar wrote:

Kurgash wrote:In all honesty, I'm a little curious to see where he takes them. Against all hope I'm thinking perhaps this will be the codex where he calms down from the 'ZOMG SPESS MEHRINES BESTEST' mentality and lets the pot simmer first before pouring, so to speak.

I don't get this post. Going "Space Marines are bester than the bestest of the best!" was his job, because... he was tasked with writing three Space Marine codices and nothing xenos-related. So there's pretty much no reason to assume that he'll mess things up out of some kind of misguided Space Marine admiration/fascination/obsession and/or desire to see every xenos army be Space Marines in funny disguises. In Fantasy his Wood Elves were well-received and the Daemons book's fluff was pretty damn superior to the stuff in the 40k version.

Yes but after his recent works one questions if he will continue the trend of the Space Marine fluff or will he go all out using his creative juices to make good story/background that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Kurgash wrote:
Yes but after his recent works one questions if he will continue the trend of the Space Marine fluff or will he go all out using his creative juices to make good story/background that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

One can only hope.

angelshade00 wrote:

Kurgash wrote:
Yes but after his recent works one questions if he will continue the trend of the Space Marine fluff or will he go all out using his creative juices to make good story/background that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

One can only hope.

With the rumour being that the book has had several authors, I expect that the fluff will have fewer of the Wardism (poorly explained occurances that leave a bitter taste if taken certain ways). I'm expecting that I'll hate the codex at first and then settle into it as my mind works out how each change can fit into the little Necron world in my head :p

I thought that FineCast was the replacement for the metal minis. If necron models are being re-released as plastic kits (as in more than one model per pack) then they woudln't be on the Fine Cast list anyway, would they?

The lack of any Necron units on the FineCast list would suggest to me that the entire army is coming back as plastic boxed kits. Maybe a box kit for the Lord which includes parts for foot and Destroyer Lord in one handy kit?

They might not release actual models for the named characters in the codex to encourage players to convert their own.

Praxiss wrote:I thought that FineCast was the replacement for the metal minis. If necron models are being re-released as plastic kits (as in more than one model per pack) then they woudln't be on the Fine Cast list anyway, would they?

The lack of any Necron units on the FineCast list would suggest to me that the entire army is coming back as plastic boxed kits. Maybe a box kit for the Lord which includes parts for foot and Destroyer Lord in one handy kit?

They might not release actual models for the named characters in the codex to encourage players to convert their own.

I agree to an extent. It doesn't mean the whole range is coming has plastics but that the whole range (at least the non plastic bits now) are being redone. Some plastic and the rest resin.

Mar wrote:I agree to an extent. It doesn't mean the whole range is coming has plastics but that the whole range (at least the non plastic bits now) are being redone. Some plastic and the rest resin.

I dont get it. Necrons are not in the finecast, how can you say the some of the models are gonna be resin? :/

Ugh..just watch it burn.

necr0n wrote:

Mar wrote:I agree to an extent. It doesn't mean the whole range is coming has plastics but that the whole range (at least the non plastic bits now) are being redone. Some plastic and the rest resin.

I dont get it. Necrons are not in the finecast, how can you say the some of the models are gonna be resin? :/

Because we will get new resin models in the future. the metal to resin transfer happening now is not the only time we will see resin. Special characters and the like will most definitely be resin. The finecast list we have now is for current models Necrons have new models with a new codex.

So the current FIne Cast list basically covers the currentyl existing models that are beign released. Presumably any new necron Fine Cast character models will be announced when the codex is realesed or ina future Wave 2 release.

Once all the metal to resin changes are done it might be best to treat resin like its metal, a book or a wave comes out and you get new resin and plastic models instead of new metal and plastic models.

go check the poster, tell me, of your chosen army (i know you dont only play necrons!) how many models are missing that are metal?

yes, the necrons, sisters, and tau, are not represented, but look at what is. my biggest observation is resin avatar? cuz it isnt already, and it started that way in the first place. eldar are missing ALOT from that list.

this is just the first wave. im not saying necrons, sisters, and tau aren't being redone, im saying what is planed for metal will probably change over soon. dante and asteroth are the most used sc in ba so it makes sense they are the only converts at this time.

Isn't Eldar on the list of Codex's to be re-done in the near(ish) future. Maybe there is a reason they are not on the list.

Or maybe Forgeworld will have a bigger role in making normal 40k characters, and we will see these missing items appear in their website in the future.

kenzosan wrote:go check the poster, tell me, of your chosen army (i know you dont only play necrons!) how many models are missing that are metal?

yes, the necrons, sisters, and tau, are not represented, but look at what is. my biggest observation is resin avatar? cuz it isnt already, and it started that way in the first place. eldar are missing ALOT from that list.

this is just the first wave. im not saying necrons, sisters, and tau aren't being redone, im saying what is planed for metal will probably change over soon. dante and asteroth are the most used sc in ba so it makes sense they are the only converts at this time.

Tau are getting stuff there though while Sisters and Necrons are not.

Hey Ho. Such is the mysteries of GW. Maybe they didn't put them on the list so the community at large wouldn't get any hints as to new models in their codex?

i think i saw a post somewhere about Sisters getting a PDF or WD codex update thing? Maybe they will get a couple of new models as well to replace their metal ones and GW doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag just yet.

GW prefers to live in grim darkness... No one knows the full story.

Mar wrote:GW prefers to live in grim darkness... No one knows the full story.

In the grim darkness of 40K, there is only "...wtf?"

Mar wrote:

kenzosan wrote:go check the poster, tell me, of your chosen army (i know you dont only play necrons!) how many models are missing that are metal?

yes, the necrons, sisters, and tau, are not represented, but look at what is. my biggest observation is resin avatar? cuz it isnt already, and it started that way in the first place. eldar are missing ALOT from that list.

this is just the first wave. im not saying necrons, sisters, and tau aren't being redone, im saying what is planed for metal will probably change over soon. dante and asteroth are the most used sc in ba so it makes sense they are the only converts at this time.

Tau are getting stuff there though while Sisters and Necrons are not.

really? my bad. didnt notice, but i still believe over thinking this is bad. its a first wave. i can name the models i use that arent on there as well as the models i want, that doesnt mean they arent being converted.

Praxiss wrote:Isn't Eldar on the list of Codex's to be re-done in the near(ish) future. Maybe there is a reason they are not on the list.

Or maybe Forgeworld will have a bigger role in making normal 40k characters, and we will see these missing items appear in their website in the future.

this thought is kinda what i mean. theres alot of rumored codex updates. just cuz we dont see something on the finecraft list doesnt mean its being updated.

I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

Mar wrote:I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

o i agree, the over thinking is in reference to a lack of models as an example. this is the first wave, meaning more is coming. to me these are the more popular and selling metal units that arent a squad, thus they are why they are the first wave. i agree they are being worked on in terms of necrons, but sisters are too far out of the way. why switch to resin sisters when the metal isnt selling? thats why i think they arent switching and thats why i dont know about the rumor of a wd codex. see now you got me over thinking!

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

o i agree, the over thinking is in reference to a lack of models as an example. this is the first wave, meaning more is coming. to me these are the more popular and selling metal units that arent a squad, thus they are why they are the first wave. i agree they are being worked on in terms of necrons, but sisters are too far out of the way. why switch to resin sisters when the metal isnt selling? thats why i think they arent switching and thats why i dont know about the rumor of a wd codex. see now you got me over thinking!

I am sorry I don't know what your saying exactly.

Mar wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

Mar wrote:I wouldn't say we have over thought it just made an observation and a rather small argument has to why this is and one I might say that makes a lot of sense considering the general flow of opinion is Necrons and Sisters are at the very least in development.

o i agree, the over thinking is in reference to a lack of models as an example. this is the first wave, meaning more is coming. to me these are the more popular and selling metal units that arent a squad, thus they are why they are the first wave. i agree they are being worked on in terms of necrons, but sisters are too far out of the way. why switch to resin sisters when the metal isnt selling? thats why i think they arent switching and thats why i dont know about the rumor of a wd codex. see now you got me over thinking!

I am sorry I don't know what your saying exactly.

i get that alot from my friends

because it is the first wave of releases, i think its a stretch to say there are no X army models so that means they are redoing them. the thing is, like every army so far, they redo some models but not all. so i just think its over thinking things if you say "the reason necrons arent in finecast is because they are being redone" what i see with the finecraft is the models that, atleast with the people i play around, are used and sold more often.

Not saying this means anything, but I found this on the interwebs. Feel free to speculate, I have no stake in this matter. Just though you guys might be interested

Why would it be Ltd. 2009?

Can't have been around that long.

Very, very veryyyyy OLD faked page. From like last april fools.

rockprime wrote:Not saying this means anything, but I found this on the interwebs. Feel free to speculate, I have no stake in this matter. Just though you guys might be interested

It was amusing back in 2009, yeah.

If that faked reference sheet had been true, I'd still have been knocking on GW's door angrily at the fact that the most advanced race technologically in the Galaxy, and quite possibly the Universe, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE AN AP1 WEAPON.

Good thing it's a fake

Um... The middle of a Lith Blast is AP 1

That said apparently the Necrons never mastered melta or plasma tech. Ap 1 and Ap 2 weapons are thin on the ground.. thin in the air.. generally pretty trim.

Same deal with power wepaons. It's either automegadeath scythes or nothing. Did they never develop power weapons somewhere down the line ?

*edit for fething autocorrect :(*

Ascalam wrote:Um... The middle of a Lith Blast is AP 1

That said apparently the Necrons never mastered melta or plasma tech. Ap 1 and Ap 2 weapons are thin on the ground.. thin in the air.. generally pretty trim.

Same deal with power wepaons. It's either automegadeath scythes or nothing. Did they never develop power weapons somewhere down the line ?

*edit for fething autocorrect :(*

I know the middle is, but I don't count that because it's a large blast AP3 weapon really, and the hole itself is a very small - and often goes wide - crosshair.

I suppose Necrons don't use Melta/Plasma because Gauss is, in fluff, a lot better because it strips away the atoms of its being. However, this doesn't really help a Gauss Flayer make a Rhino explode like it should :( Ah well.

And as for power weapons... "Sure, let's make power weapons one of the main weaknesses of the army. Shall we give them anything to retaliate with so they're not completely vulnerable? ...NAH."

Power Weapons were not that common at the time of the book's writing time if I recall. Some armies had quite a few, Chaos and Nids' MC's but not many armies carried them in such large numbers as today.