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His Master's Voice wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Raven (Blood) Guard, here we come!

Heresy era Raven Guard with Ravenbeasts as DC

Good point!

But weren't the mutated clone beasts either at the end of the Heresy or shortly thereafter?

Either way, a VERY good way to 'counts as' represent Death Company - thank you very much for that!

Now - to find some appropriate models!

Alpharius wrote:

But weren't the mutated clone beasts either at the end of the Heresy or shortly thereafter?

Created after istvaan.

But killed by Corax afterwards and i doubt he missed one.

Official pics should be out online next week (although beastmen were 5 days late).

Expect all the box set covers and some of the finished models to appear on the GW preview pages.

Figures that Seth isn't pictured - the one special character I really care about! I think you can see his head in the bottom left of the assault marines picture, but that's it. I like the regular Blood Angels plenty, but I think the exalted are a little too extravagant for my tastes. They look like good quality sculpts though.

Nice models. The muscle guys are impressively better than expected.

I wish the preorder page would get updated already... I want to reserve a copy of the codex (and maybe a box of sanguinary guard!).

I'm liking this release more and more. Now to find the Nid bits and appropriate leathery wings to replace those feathered wings...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Help an old man out, metal or plastic?

That is the model that will sell a thousand books.

If not that one, then the ones around him.

Anybody getting some solid info points costs yet? Is stuff cheaper than it used to be (on certain things anyway) or are we gonna be overloaded with new joyness that we can't make up our minds on what to cut costs for?

Think ill convert those into grey knight assault marines.

1hadhq wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

But weren't the mutated clone beasts either at the end of the Heresy or shortly thereafter?

Created after istvaan.

But killed by Corax afterwards and i doubt he missed one.

We know he didn't miss any! It is why he went out on his 'Nevermore" Eye of Terror walkabout.

I will be using this Codex to field a Pre-Heresy Raven Guard army!

Therion wrote:

Interesting. I like the opposites the 'Dark' Astaroth and the 'Light' Sanguinator. It seems like they've gone to a lot of trouble

Yeah, it's incredibly original. I mean for a guy called Astaroth the Grim to be dark and then the second coming of Jesus the Sanguinius to be light is truly astounding. Could even be that the dark guys have to fight a red thirst and the devil inside them and the holy guys could have like, conquered it? Who would've thought of that?

Yeah, and people accuse me of being needlessly negative.

I never said it was original Therion, only that it was interesting, both in how they've done it and the fact that they did it in the first place.

Its actually the 4th coming. Arthur (Camœlt) was the second.

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Therion wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Do you ever have anything positive to say about any release.. ever? lol

Well, GW and 'subtle hints to mythology and religion' simply do not match, so when someone calls something so obvious original or that GW had to go to a lot of trouble to make it all up, it's just a little more than funny

Note: The word 'original' does not appear anywhere in the post you originally criticized. Also, to restate the question: Do you ever have anything positive to say about any release, ever?

It isn't cool to be underwhelmed by a new release; we aren't impressed that you aren't impressed, although I'm sure you are loving the attention it is getting you. And, since you don't seem to have any specific criticism, I don't think anyone cares about your general negativity toward. . . everything. Just kind of annoying.

It isn't cool to be underwhelmed by a new release; we aren't impressed that you aren't impressed

Well is anyone here really ever interested or impessed about anyone's subjective opinion about GW's new releases? Afterall the purpose of these threads is that someone posts news and everyone either claps or boos.

I like a lot of things about this release. My DIY Marines have had the angel theme for a long while and the Sanguinary Guard bitz will come into play when I assemble some new hero units soon. In addition to a few boxes of the Sanguinary Guard I'll naturally also buy the C:BA if for nothing else than to read it at the toilet. Like so many others I'll be spending money so GW can consider the release succesful. However, I'll boo or laugh every time I see someone call the rumoured units overpowered or even good, or GW's christianity ripoffs original or even cool. Whether you're impressed about it or not is of no consequence. Keep clapping and cheering about everything if you like, that's your prerogative.

To me this seems like the standard case of people being annoyed about a few vocal refusals from the collective circle jerk.

Dear lord, I am so happy for this after the mess that was the white dwarf codex. I liked the old $15 pamphlet more than that one. Loving these new models, though I hate to assemble anything more than what I have.

Is there any word on assault squads taking meltaguns? I've got a couple that are in my veteran assault squad, and if the vanguard and assault squads are taken straight out of the vanilla codex, then there is no place for them. I'm worrying that the only melta option for all of the fancy new assault dudes will be those pistols.

Very well said Therion. Very well said indeed.

Guys, don't fail your Blood Rage check!

Keep on topic and on point.

And really, if it needs to be said, everyone's entitled to their opinion, obviously.

Therion wrote:

It isn't cool to be underwhelmed by a new release; we aren't impressed that you aren't impressed

Well is anyone here really ever interested or impessed about anyone's subjective opinion about GW's new releases? Afterall the purpose of these threads is that someone posts news and everyone either claps or boos.

I like a lot of things about this release. My DIY Marines have had the angel theme for a long while and the Sanguinary Guard bitz will come into play when I assemble some new hero units soon. In addition to a few boxes of the Sanguinary Guard I'll naturally also buy the C:BA if for nothing else than to read it at the toilet. Like so many others I'll be spending money so GW can consider the release succesful. However, I'll boo or laugh every time I see someone call the rumoured units overpowered or even good, or GW's christianity ripoffs original or even cool. Whether you're impressed about it or not is of no consequence. Keep clapping and cheering about everything if you like, that's your prerogative.

Never said that you had to cheer everything; I just said general negativity without specific criticism seems like an attention grab.

General Negativity: "Meh, I haven't really seen anything that impresses me. Typical GW. . . "

Specific Criticism: "Wow, deepstriking landraiders sure are silly. I can't think of any reason I would take one."

Also, if you don't think mephiston is even a LITTLE op you are crazy. 10 S10 I10 force weapon attacks I believe? Just about the gribbliest CC I have seen, ever, PLUS psychic powers and the utility of a psychic hood?

I heard that dreadnott harpoon is a lie. And no S10 psychic power either. Lemartes does get a new model though.

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Also, if you don't think mephiston is even a LITTLE op you are crazy. 10 S10 I10 force weapon attacks I believe

There's a tactics thread about stuff like that, and I've posted earlier there too. I think Mephiston is quite powerful but without points costs and truly accurate descriptions of all his abilities we can only speculate. The bad thing here for Blood Angels players is that if Mephiston is overpowered and everything else sucks, many tournament organisers who have already banned Vulkan and Fateweaver etc will just add Mephiston to the list and the BA people will be left with garbage.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Help an old man out, metal or plastic?

KK the model in the centre is metal.
What you can't see from the position of the model in front of him is that the scrolls come down from his jetpack and are what connects the model to the base, so he is suspended in mid air.

His bodyguard is all plastic from the new sprue.

Also what can't be seen is the new jump packs, which I think I'm going to have to use to replace dante's JP.


As to Seth. If the flesh tearers symbol is a circular saw, where would be a great place to turn a piece of armour into a stylised circular saw blade?

Certainly we'll have to wait and see the codex in totality before making any judgment calls about Good/Bad, but with current info regarding squad sizes and tentative point costs, this army is going to need some serious bonuses at short range to compete with Wolves/IG/basic Marines.

50 point rhinos adds up quickly, and the new Stormraven is seriously expensive considering its short range and its AV. If it was at least front 13, I'd think it'd be an okay buy, but the shorter range of its weaponry plus AV12 means that fielding it is a huge risk; either you Reserve it with all the risks that entails or you put it on the table and risk a gazillion S7-8 shots being pointed at it T1. Immunity to additional melta dice is nice, but at AV12 you don't need melta to knock it out.

The special deepstrike rules for jump pack infantry is really nice, but small squad sizes on their 'uber' units is a problem depending on how they're costed. Even with re-rolls, you still only have 3/4 of an army on T2 fighting your opponent's entire army, and competitive players know how to deal with drop-pod-esque lists.

First glance says this book is going to require a lot of massaging to play competitively. Like the Nid codex, it definitely doesn't seem like there are obvious 'win' combos that someone can download off the Internet and just start raping face with.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:As to Seth. If the flesh tearers symbol is a circular saw, where would be a great place to turn a piece of armour into a stylised circular saw blade?

Shoulder pad of course , unless you want the obvious chest area.

I feel like I've seen that sanguinor model before.... the way hes posed.. could it be the Sanguiness model from that old Horus vs the Emperor scene?

On more mundane matters. What is happening with blood angel techmarines? Is there a master of the forge? conversion beamer etc?

Cheers

Kit

Does anyone know if Blood angels have drop pod assault or combat squads?

You can take a meltagun/5 marines in the regular troop assault squad. 10 points each.

If anyone has specific questions they can't find here PM me, i'll be going to GW tomorrow again to check it out more.

It's too early to say for certain the new BA will be top tier but it's also much too early to say they won't. If the latest round of rumors hold true they will be quite formidable, especially versus any mech list.

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God damn. I was expecting much worse when I heard there was going to be a unit in the codex that literally had wings, but those look very, very nice.

It's satisfying to know they steered away from making them more "vampirey" and focused more on the whole angel thing. It makes for some much better-looking models. Lemartes is also worlds above his previous incarnation.

Who is Sanguinor, though? He looks kinda like Dante to me, with the death mask and all, but with wings. He isn't replacing him is he?