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2016/11/22 16:45:18
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Not a bad description, anyway.
2016/11/22 16:49:45
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Not a bad description, anyway.
While funny, you could still kinda ignore your mum. (At your discretion...) I like the other example of the online/offline name.
nintura wrote: Also, wasn't that retconned and removed? That's Matt Ward for you.... creating ridiculous scenarios.
GW don't do much retconning and that's so small case unlikely to have been. Just by not being mentioned in latest codex does not reconn it out of fluff.
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2016/11/22 16:56:05
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
They ret'con quite often actually. I know for a fact they removed the whole "bathing in the blood of the sisters" part of the codex. And I'm pretty sure they ret'conned and removed the mortarion's heart part if not all of it. Ever hear of the Necrons?
nintura wrote: They ret'con quite often actually. I know for a fact they removed the whole "bathing in the blood of the sisters" part of the codex. And I'm pretty sure they ret'conned and removed the mortarion's heart part if not all of it. Ever hear of the Necrons?
Just because it's not in newest codex does not mean it was retconned out of existance. If it was 40k background would be lot thinner.
In Fantasy 5th ed there was page about high elf writing system in army book. Because it wasn't in 6th ed did that get retconned out? No it's still just as valid as it was.
If newer fluff doesn't specifically contradict older then the old is still valid. Eldrad's death was retconned as there's him in newer fluff. THAT is retcon. Simply not having case mentioned in new book is not retcon.
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2016/11/22 17:04:33
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
So new psychic powers are up on faeit, if they actually are real than that's a quit the game moment I won't begrudge people. They make angels of death powers look like Interromancy. Running 2-3 culexus will be largely mandatory, which, can't run SoS cause they aren't great against shooting and Tsons have AP3 bolters.
2016/11/22 17:06:57
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
nintura wrote: They ret'con quite often actually. I know for a fact they removed the whole "bathing in the blood of the sisters" part of the codex. And I'm pretty sure they ret'conned and removed the mortarion's heart part if not all of it. Ever hear of the Necrons?
Just because it's not in newest codex does not mean it was retconned out of existance. If it was 40k background would be lot thinner.
In Fantasy 5th ed there was page about high elf writing system in army book. Because it wasn't in 6th ed did that get retconned out? No it's still just as valid as it was.
If newer fluff doesn't specifically contradict older then the old is still valid. Eldrad's death was retconned as there's him in newer fluff. THAT is retcon. Simply not having case mentioned in new book is not retcon.
Sure. of course. Except when they release the same identical codex and then don't include it.
lonewolf81 wrote: Tha same guy also said the following "" Formations are, unsurprisingly, organized into a greater detachment that includes a collection of smaller ones. Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game""
Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game.
Compare this to the actual rules:
Spoiler:
Black Crusade Detachment
Force Organization
Command: 0-5 of the following Chaos Lord, Sorcerer, Daemon Prince
Core: 1+ Choas Warband Formation, Maelstrom of Gore Formation, The Lost and the Damned Formation
Auxiliary: 1+ Helforged Warpack Formation, Heldrake Terror Pack Formation, Cult of Destruction Formation, Fist of the Gods Formation, Raptor Talon Formaiton, Terminator Annihilation Force Formation, Favoured of the Chaos Formation, Trinity of Blood Formation, 1-3 Chaos Spawn Units, 1-4 uits from the following list Khorne Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Plague Marines, Noise Marines.
Restrictions: This Detachment must include a minimum of one Core choice and one Auxiliary choice. It can optionally include any number of additional Core or Auxiliary choices, in any combination, and up to five Command choices. Only the datasheets listed here can be included in this Detachment, and all units in the Detachment must have the Chaos Space Marines Faction.
Command Benefits:
Lords of Chaos: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can chose to re-roll the result of the Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits tables.
Death to the False Emperor: All units in this Detachment have the Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) special rule. In addition, any unit from this Detachment that has the option of taking the Veterans of the Long War special rule can do so for free.
Path to Glory: At the start of each friendly turn choose a model in this Detachment with the Champion of Chaos special rule and roll on the Chaos Boon table. The model has that result for the rest of the game. If the model has the Favoured Scions special rule, roll twice and apply one or both results
Source: Supplement: Traitor’s Hate
So looking at that formation he posted:
RUMOR: Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) REALITY: Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1+ Big List of specific Aux Choices, 1-3 Spawn, 1-4 Cult Troops, 0-5 Command) RESULT: FALSE
RUMOR: *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. REALITY: Lords of Chaos: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can chose to re-roll the result of the Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits tables. RESULT: PARTIALLY CORRECT. I mean, he just guessed the most likely Command benefit and even got that wrong.
RUMOR: *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game. REALITY: Path to Glory: At the start of each friendly turn choose a model in this Detachment with the Champion of Chaos special rule and roll on the Chaos Boon table. The model has that result for the rest of the game. If the model has the Favoured Scions special rule, roll twice and apply one or both results RESULT: FALSE. He got that it was a Boon command trait, but not wasn't really that close.
RUMOR: No further details REALITY: Death to the False Emperor: All units in this Detachment have the Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) special rule. In addition, any unit from this Detachment that has the option of taking the Veterans of the Long War special rule can do so for free. RESULT: He didn't even get this one.
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2016/11/22 17:27:28
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
Hm, I'd call Dark Ascension/Path to Glory at least partially correct.
It's a bit hard to tell if he just knew about a "working copy" that changed or it was an educated guess. I'd go with the latter (Boons and Warlord traits are easy guesses), but it's possible.
2016/11/22 17:30:12
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
Requizen wrote: Hm, I'd call Dark Ascension/Path to Glory at least partially correct.
It's a bit hard to tell if he just knew about a "working copy" that changed or it was an educated guess. I'd go with the latter (Boons and Warlord traits are easy guesses), but it's possible.
I dunno, the name is different and the effect is pretty different.
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2016/11/22 17:39:07
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
Requizen wrote: Hm, I'd call Dark Ascension/Path to Glory at least partially correct.
It's a bit hard to tell if he just knew about a "working copy" that changed or it was an educated guess. I'd go with the latter (Boons and Warlord traits are easy guesses), but it's possible.
I dunno, the name is different and the effect is pretty different.
Eh, fair enough.
2016/11/22 18:01:08
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
ERJAK wrote: So new psychic powers are up on faeit, if they actually are real than that's a quit the game moment I won't begrudge people. They make angels of death powers look like Interromancy. Running 2-3 culexus will be largely mandatory, which, can't run SoS cause they aren't great against shooting and Tsons have AP3 bolters.
Well, without knowing warp charge costs, it's hard to tell if any of them is actually bonkers, or lame.
And small print details can change a lot (for example, if the primaris can get it only up to 3+,its a whole other story.)
can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now.
2016/11/22 18:08:53
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
ERJAK wrote: So new psychic powers are up on faeit, if they actually are real than that's a quit the game moment I won't begrudge people. They make angels of death powers look like Interromancy. Running 2-3 culexus will be largely mandatory, which, can't run SoS cause they aren't great against shooting and Tsons have AP3 bolters.
Well, without knowing warp charge costs, it's hard to tell if any of them is actually bonkers, or lame.
And small print details can change a lot (for example, if the primaris can get it only up to 3+,its a whole other story.)
Up on Faeit? Excuse me while I clearly freak out over here. For realsies. I'm taking it super seriously. Burning my models etc.
2016/11/22 18:16:03
Subject: Re:Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Yep. That's an exaltable post if I've ever seen one.
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Yep. That's an exaltable post if I've ever seen one.
Indeed. The only mistake in it is that "when you're little" condition. When your mum uses your full name you are always little.
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2016/11/22 18:48:31
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
are the Space Wolves antagonist or friendly towards the Wulfen
because arn't Wulfen xenos?
They have hunted them when they are beyond redemption, but they are friendly toward them generally as they recognize that these are their brothers and what happened is not their fault.
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2016/11/22 18:59:12
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
Wait why my lunch money? I need my lunch money for lunch.
I guess that's why you would take a whole unit of flamwrs to hopefully wipe out the enemy unit before they get fnp.
2016/11/22 19:01:55
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
are the Space Wolves antagonist or friendly towards the Wulfen
because arn't Wulfen xenos?
They have hunted them when they are beyond redemption, but they are friendly toward them generally as they recognize that these are their brothers and what happened is not their fault.
reading lexicanum...it says that the Space Wolves believe the Wulfen are the key to finding Russ? is this true
2016/11/22 19:07:59
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
We've seen a pic of the Thousand Sons Terminators which calls the kit's heavy flamer as a Heavy Warpflamer.
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2016/11/22 19:16:12
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
I like to thank you all for helping me with "true name" Greatly appreciated.
Spoiler:
Requizen wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Depends on the setting. In most respects, it's not so much a name (like Susan or Theresa) as it is a descriptor of who you are at your core, the word that describes your "soul". In many cases, that descriptive word just happens to be a name because people are complicated. Like, you know how sometimes there's a person and you're like "Oh, he's just being Jim, that's the way he is!", and there's no better way to describe him than "Jim" because he can't be boiled down to "outgoing" or any other one word descriptors. Similar for Demons and the like, but more powerful.
In much media, speaking something's True Name (especially Demons/Devils/magical creatures) means that you have made a connection to the core of their being and therefore have some sort of control over them. Like knowing their personal VPN and the login to get in.
With Mortarion, it seems like a bit of a stretch, since usually True Names for mortals change with time (because people change as they grow, while Demons generally do not change much over the eras). But The Emperor is a pretty powerful dude so maybe his Names are just that strongly tied to his son's legacies.
Thank you that helps me understand better.
nintura wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Read the posts above
But if you want an example, go watch the first Hellboy movie, towards the end. You'll see where the chains that hold him have his true name etched into them, and thus he cannot break them. Speaking someones true name is the same.
I think I will do that now. Always easier for me when I can see this visually.
Kanluwen wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Take your name.
Then think about all the experiences in your life. The joy, the pain, the heartbreak, the triumphs and the failures. Your first apartment, the first time you cooked and set your eyebrows on fire, your first love and the subsequent breakup...
That's the idea of the "true name", at least in the Dresden Files.
The idea of the true name, as mentioned, isn't new. But that's not a bad way to look at it. Simply knowing Dave the Daemonically Possessed's name isn't enough. You have to know Dave's name and his life. You effectively have to imbue the pronouncement of the name with that idea.
Hard for me to really understand this, but it does make sense that I didn't understand reading the wiki link. Thank you.
kronk wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
I did that, and got even more confused. What version is GW using? One of these or their own made up version?
Galef wrote:True Names are like your real name offline vs your username. If we consider on-line to be a separate universe (in some ways it is) than our usernames are those that we pick or are chosen for use, just like ones name in the 40k universe While our real names are often hidden to protect ourselves, like our True Name in the Warp.
For example, my user name is Galef. That is my name on this forum and it has no power over me. However let's say my real name is Jon Alexander Pepperton (it's not, but let's go with that). If you know what my real name is, you may be able to steal my identity and that could severely hurt me in real life, especially if you match other personal info from me, like my birthday, ssn#, etc. Hacking my bank account, signing up for credit cards can financially destroy me.
True Names are kind like that.
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That is what I thought of, so the name at birth. Names can change many times but only the birth name is ever your first. I know a few people's names are not what we call them and their birth name is different and they don't use it for what ever reason. Your explanation is the one I think of the most.
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Yeah I know what you mean. When my kids bet me upset, man that is a mouthful I need to use when I call them out.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2016/11/22 19:17:14
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
We've seen a pic of the Thousand Sons Terminators which calls the kit's heavy flamer as a Heavy Warpflamer.
Try not to play anyone who uses Ironhands chapter tactics then. Give his whole medusa strike force a free 3+ FNP
2016/11/22 20:06:47
Subject: Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons
Davor wrote: I like to thank you all for helping me with "true name" Greatly appreciated.
Your true name is not the name you were given at birth. Your True Name is the essence of you. It's not literally a name. Invoking someones True Name is a form of magic. Demons are most famous for this in our pop culture.
To keep it simple, and not go into the description of "souls, essences, experiences" etc, just think of it as a phrase or hidden password, that if you know, you can control someone, anyone. It's a cheat code, nothing more. A phrase that gives you complete and utter control of them, and protection from them. Every persons cheat code is different.
If you were a programmer, it would be like having the source code to them. You would have full access to everything about them. You could change that "game" so that it couldn't beat you. Or you can make that man jump over and over.
Are the psychic powers really that good? Besides the re-roll succesful denies thing I'm not really scared of most of these. Especially if the +2 invuln is self only, which I expect it may be.
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