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yakface wrote:

How about a psychic power that makes all models within 12" take a morale check at -2 Ld and if they fail they run off the board? How about if you can take two models with this power and then deep strike them into the middle of an enemy army?

How about a psychic power that shoots all the way across the table ignoring LOS and does multiple hits on every enemy unit it crosses?

How about a vehicle that allows players to stack multiple minefields at the feet of units thereby making it nearly impossible for horde armies to assault them without perishing?

How about a piece of wargear that nullfies every enemy psychic power about 50% of the time?

How about Devestator squads w/ 4 Heavy Bolters that get +1 to their armor penetration rolls against vehicles so they're great against both infantry and light vehicles?

How about SM armies with 12+ Assault Cannons?

How about a commander that gives Ld10 to the entire army?

The only place I'll disagree is with the Hood. It works 40% (+/-) of the time against things of equal Leadership. Most psykers are Ld10 anyway, so the better numbers never really come into it. The Hood, like the Hellhound, is terribly over estimated.

Everything else though, yeah. The Master's rule to give everyone Ld10 had me pissed off from the moment we found out it was true. Thank God that rule is going away...

BYE

I'm surprised no one has posted the new BOLS rumors about our Man from Macragge, Marneus Calgar:

Marneus Calgar
First off, Marneus Calgar is described as awesome; the Abaddon of loyalists. Not simply because he's an outstanding fighter but because of the support he provides for his army. He gives all Ultramarines the ability to pass or fail any Leadership test (other reports say morale checks). This is a superior ability to Combat Tactics as that only works in CC and the marines can normally only choose to fail.

Marneus also has a rule called "God of War" which allows him to re-roll virtually anything (shooting to hit rolls, attacks rolls in assualt, to wound rolls). It is basically the psychic power Warp Time, but is always on and works with Marneus' shooting. His storm bolter built into the Gauntlets of Ultramar is AP2. Marneus had 4 base attacks on his statline and is armed with two powerfists. ~you do the math

Calgar possesses Eternal Warrior without any mention of a mantle. Power armour is apparently no longer an option for him, but his "Honour Guard" are still in power armor. Finally, he's wearing his Terminator armour with an additional 4+ invulnerable save.

Honor Guard Vs Command Squads
There is a bit of confusion regarding these units so here are some other morsels we've heard. Honour Guard and Command Squads are two different things. Only "Chapter Masters" can get Honour Guard and they cannot take apothecaries (so no Honor Guard-Feel No Pain combos). Command Squads are available for company captains. The leader of the Command Squad is the company champion who gets to re-roll all hits against enemy ICs.

Original post here: http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/

Aye, saw that this morning and went "WTF?! Oh, but it's Marneus and how many Ultra players are gonna rock him outside of APOC?"

So whilst his rules are fecking nuts I apparently was able to get over this one pretty quickly

- Salvage

Boss_Salvage wrote:So whilst his rules are fecking nuts I apparently was able to get over this one pretty quickly

Yeah, I agree completely. I mean, how often do you see Abaddon in 1750 point games?

Death By Monkeys wrote:
Marneus Calgar
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His storm bolter built into the Gauntlets of Ultramar is AP2.

Someone in the Mechanicum has finally developed the APFSDS-DU bolter round.

ZF-

So it's looking like every chapter master is an Abbadon Equivalent? Man and I thought he was supposed to be a unique kind of bad @$$. So the Imperium has like a thousand Abbadons running around. Who woulda thought.

GrandWarmasterPinto wrote:So it's looking like every chapter master is an Abbadon Equivalent? Man and I thought he was supposed to be a unique kind of bad @$$. So the Imperium has like a thousand Abbadons running around. Who woulda thought.

With ridiculously selective use of "Counts-as"... sure.

The amount of whine on this forum these days is unbearable. Marines are seemingly getting an interesting codex (for once) and all we're hearing is everyone whining why their own pet projects 10 years ago didn't get as cool rules? What do you want? More bland rules, no wargear options, nothing new except one useless special character and new hats for tank commanders, just to keep it all in line with what we've had in the past? If you consider the new C: SM interesting, instead of jealous whine you should do one or both of two things: Either start a Space Marine army and enjoy the support GW is giving you and/or keep your thumbs up that all the future army releases get an equally interesting treatment. On the Warhammer side all the recent army books have been very interesting to say the least, and none of them have been lacking useful units, tricks and abilities, and I see no reason why this couldn't also be the case in 40K. Many things have changed within GW during the past two years as you've all noticed, and I'm simply curious to see how it all pans out. This year has been an improvement in all respects and I for one can say that it has rejuvenated my interest in the company and the games that it produces.

I'm in agreement with you there Therion. I despise the sheer number of MEQ armies out there, but I'm glad the most commonly used one looks like it's going to be fun to play.
And almost as importantly, have more than two or three usable builds in competative games.

Therion has got it right, though to be honest I don't understand most of the whining because I don't see Marines being some kind of super dominant tournament army with this kit, but without seeing the book - who knows.

And yeah, where's the old style Dakka that took it in stride, you guys are making this place look like Warseer!

Death By Monkeys wrote:I'm surprised no one has posted the new BOLS rumors about our Man from Macragge, Marneus Calgar:

Marneus Calgar
First off, Marneus Calgar is described as awesome; the Abaddon of loyalists. Not simply because he's an outstanding fighter but because of the support he provides for his army. He gives all Ultramarines the ability to pass or fail any Leadership test (other reports say morale checks). This is a superior ability to Combat Tactics as that only works in CC and the marines can normally only choose to fail.

Marneus also has a rule called "God of War" which allows him to re-roll virtually anything (shooting to hit rolls, attacks rolls in assualt, to wound rolls). It is basically the psychic power Warp Time, but is always on and works with Marneus' shooting. His storm bolter built into the Gauntlets of Ultramar is AP2. Marneus had 4 base attacks on his statline and is armed with two powerfists. ~you do the math

Calgar possesses Eternal Warrior without any mention of a mantle. Power armour is apparently no longer an option for him, but his "Honour Guard" are still in power armor. Finally, he's wearing his Terminator armour with an additional 4+ invulnerable save.

Honor Guard Vs Command Squads
There is a bit of confusion regarding these units so here are some other morsels we've heard. Honour Guard and Command Squads are two different things. Only "Chapter Masters" can get Honour Guard and they cannot take apothecaries (so no Honor Guard-Feel No Pain combos). Command Squads are available for company captains. The leader of the Command Squad is the company champion who gets to re-roll all hits against enemy ICs.

Original post here: http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/

He keeps his pimp hand strong!

The metagame is in a degenerative state, a strong marine codex is crucial as an anti-Ork contender. I hope the new Marine Dex is amazing, positively dynamite, with a strong emphasis on anti-horde.

His pimp hand is indeed strong.

The only thing I really hate about this new codex is that it's going to make me start Space Marines. I just sold my Chaos Marines to start playing Tau about a 7 seven months and I already have to go back to MEQ. Lame. Not selling my Tau though, having too much fun.

Agreed!

The "spase marienz huurr!!!`!!1!!" crowd really needs to relax.

I can't disagree with Therion, Voodoo, Da Boss and that side. Much as I hate to say it, this is the place for the whining, mewling Casper Milquetoasts to get together and circle-jerk. I keep hearing about old-skool Dakka. The Dakka that "takes it in stride", the Dakka that tells it like it is. So I signed up here. And there is still some of that here! However, there's a lot of snuffling and wanting of mommies as well.

I guess that's just one of the things that we must accept.

Alpharius wrote:The "spase marienz huurr!!!`!!1!!" crowd realyl needs to relax.

Isn't that more like the B&C? Here it's more like "SPASE MARIENZ?! OH NOS!!1!!2!" or something

- Salvage

I just want some of that thunderfart cannon action for IG in the next dex baby.

grizgrin wrote:I can't disagree with Therion, Voodoo, Da Boss and that side. Much as I hate to say it, this is the place for the whining, mewling Casper Milquetoasts to get together and circle-jerk. I keep hearing about old-skool Dakka. The Dakka that "takes it in stride", the Dakka that tells it like it is. So I signed up here. And there is still some of that here! However, there's a lot of snuffling and wanting of mommies as well.

I guess that's just one of the things that we must accept.

It is the price we pay for the influx of new people.

Voodoo Boyz wrote:Therion has got it right, though to be honest I don't understand most of the whining because I don't see Marines being some kind of super dominant tournament army with this kit, but without seeing the book - who knows.

And yeah, where's the old style Dakka that took it in stride, you guys are making this place look like Warseer!

I'm sorry, but that's a load of hogwash. This forum has always been like this, what you're experiencing is nostalgia for something that never existed, nothing more.

Crimson Devil wrote:It is the price we pay for the influx of new people.

Yeah, back when Dakka was so small cockroaches could spit on it from above, there were whinefests about SpaceMarinez111!^ that could last for four pages. Those were the times...

Wait...

Never mind.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm sorry, but that's a load of hogwash. This forum has always been like this, what you're experiencing is nostalgia for something that never existed, nothing more.

Quoted for truth.

I was merely commenting that from a "Fluff" standpoint, I mean, if the greatest warlord of chaos (Abbadon) is the same as a Chapter Master do the gifts of the gods of chaos, countless battles, and centuries upon centuries of experience count for nothing? I can understand people like Logan Grimnar, and Marneus Calgar being equals to the Great Despoiler but now it's looking like every master can just come out of the word work and smack down the Imperium's most hated enemy.

In "fluff" Marines are a rapid response, hard hitting strike force and every Marine should be able to kill 20-30 standard men by himself. It doesn't work this way in game because they have to fit everything from a Grot to Abbadon on a 10 point stat scale.

Fluff does not equal rules. Never has, never will.

Yeah that's true. But it is a tad frustrating sometimes. I don't much mind the new rules I'll kill those power armored whack jobs the same way I always have, with plasma!

Boss_Salvage wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The "spase marienz huurr!!!`!!1!!" crowd realyl needs to relax.

Isn't that more like the B&C? Here it's more like "SPASE MARIENZ?! OH NOS!!1!!2!" or something

Hey! If you're shooting at B&C, does that mean I can take a dig at Warseer?

Warseer does a good enough job embarrassing itself.

Just to clarrify: I'm not making any comparison to any sort of good old days. Sometimes a good ould whinge is what's needed. God knows I used to do enough of it back when Orks were massively out of date. I just feel that in this case, there's no real need to whine. The codex, based on these rumours, looks fine to me. Certainly not overpowered.
And I hate Space Marines. (Okay, I play Nurgle Chaos, but I'd prefer a LATD army.)

I play ultra marine so I em happy whit what I hear

Please cease the needless badmouthing of other forums.

Any further cases will result in your post being removed and possible account suspension.


Thanks.

What a thread this turned out to be.

And for the record, Dakka faithful have alway panicked and whined about every possible new release. I still remember the panic of Codex Armageddon, or how everything was utterly lost with the Tau and s5 weapons for all of them... It's part of the fun and always brings out a few well drafted and logical responses that remind you why Dakka is a good forum.