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I'm glad this thread is about how much the chaos codex sucks, and not about the space wolf codex.

As for fifth edition balancing, all armies with post fifth edition codexes (Counting orks and daemons) stack up fairly well against one another. If they manage to revise the necrons and tyranids in the same power level then the majority of armies will be in play balance with one another. It's too late to start scaling back now, all we can really hope for is a continued slide into the slightly better stats and larger armies of fifth edition. This codex slides into that niche well, much better than the codex marine 'dex.

Lowinor wrote:

Random poster quoting the SW Codex wrote:As a psychic shooting attack, trace a stright line along the board, starting from the Rune Priest and ending 24" away. This line may pass through terrain. Monstrous creatures, beasts, cavalry, bikes and infantry models that are touched by this line must take an Initiative test.(bgb p.8) If the models fails the test, it is removed from play. Monstrous creatures subtract 1 from thier dice roll due to their tremendous size and strength. A roll of a 6 is always a failure.

Seems credible -- big thing to note is that it only works on MCs, beasts, cavalry, bikes, and infantry. Completely ignores vehicles, too.

This means jetbikes (e.g., Necron Lords with destroyer body, Seer Councils, etc) and jump infantry (e.g., Crisis suits, many of the things you'd send to kill a Rune Priest anyway) aren't affected by it.

'Fexes still die horribly, but Tau and Necrons have a lot less to worry about than was originally rumored.

Of course, grain of salt applies.

Jet bikers, tanks skimmers etc are all unaffected my JoWW but really i'd say jump infantry would be affected as normal. It says "infantry" to which jump infantry could be a part of. Is this infantry an umbrella term, or is it directly indicating only units that receive the infantry tag in it's unit type.

It will most likely have to be errataed(sp?)/ FAQ'd to give a definitive answer.

From what I gather fluff wise its the world splitting open and swallowing the targets, so jump infantry and jetbikes and whatnot just laugh at it.

but footslogging infantry, monstrous creatures, bikes, cavalry, and beasts are all susceptible to fall in and die.

The Space Wolf codex just looks like a good solid codex period much like the Imperial Guard and Space Marine before it.

Its not super sayan oMG WTFBBQ broken its just good and has variety.

I have massive Chaos Marine and Dark Angel model collections, so these conversations that serve as constant reminders of what we could have had for those Codex books if they had only been designed a year or two later can get a bit distressing. However, I'll try and follow the example of the Odin and the rest of the Aesir and trudge off to Ragnarok without complaining even though the outcome is predetermined.

On the hobby front I have to say that the new Space Wolf Codex is a fun and exciting book just as everything since Codex Chaos Marines has been. The new models look terrific too. If I wasn't working on so many other hobby projects, I'd add some units to my old Space Wolf army for some hobby fun. I might buy the Codex just for the fun of reading it.

BrassScorpion wrote:I have massive Chaos Marine and Dark Angel model collections, so these conversations that serve as constant reminders of what we could have had for those Codex books if they had only been designed a year or two later can get a bit distressing. However, I'll try and follow the example of the Odin and the rest of the Aesir and trudge off to Ragnarok without complaining even though the outcome is predetermined.

On the hobby front I have to say that the new Space Wolf Codex is a fun and exciting book just as everything since Codex Chaos Marines has been. The new models look terrific too. If I wasn't working on so many other hobby projects, I'd add some units to my old Space Wolf army for some hobby fun. I might buy the Codex just for the fun of reading it.

Why not use an older edition of the Dark Angels/Chaos codex... although that would be illegal in a tournament, i guess.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Then of course they will come to the same conclusion they did at the end of 4th edition and begin reblandification with a vengeance. This inevitably will happen around the time Dark Angels come up for revision.

As usual I disagree, but this made me laugh.

Why not use an older edition of the Dark Angels/Chaos codex... although that would be illegal in a tournament, i guess.

I don't play tournaments, so that's not really an issue, but to keep things simple and as compatible as possible with the latest rules and other Codex books, when I do play occasionally, I like to use the most current book, even if it isn't the most fun or colorful.

The models are the real constant for me. For example, I've been collecting Chaos for 20 years and been through every version of the game with them. The models remain cool no matter what they do to the rules.

I have a couple queries:
-So Wolf Priests are now basically Chaplains, instead of Chaplain/Apothecaries? If so, that really sucks, because I would always take my Wolf Priest with healing balms
-Do Grey Hunters still have True Grit, or some equivalent?
-Can Iron Priests still take Thrall Bodyguards?

I also have a general question - does the Dreadnought close combat weapon count as just that - a close combat weapon? Or is it a power weapon/fist?

A dread CCW is it's own beast. It doubles strength, goes at initiative, and ignores armor saves.

BrassScorpion wrote:Odin didn't complain when he was swallowed by the Fenris Wolf at Ragnarok (clearly the inspiration for the new "World Wolf" Space Wolf psychic power) and he knew that he would lose the battle ahead of time. You'd think 40K players could take a lesson from that and complain less.

Also, I'm already hearing a resurgence of really bad pronunciations of the name "Njal Stormcaller". The letter "j" in the name is pronounced like in the word "fjord". Fee-yord, Nee-yall. It's a Nordic name. Now please stop calling him En-jall or Ni-jall. Thank you from the gods of grammar and learning about other languages besides English.

I hate it when people butcher names like that! For so long, I've had to deal with people saying Bee-jorn and stuff like that.


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Andilus Greatsword wrote:I have a couple queries:
-So Wolf Priests are now basically Chaplains, instead of Chaplain/Apothecaries? If so, that really sucks, because I would always take my Wolf Priest with healing balms
-Do Grey Hunters still have True Grit, or some equivalent?
-Can Iron Priests still take Thrall Bodyguards?

I also have a general question - does the Dreadnought close combat weapon count as just that - a close combat weapon? Or is it a power weapon/fist?

-They do not have true grit, but they do have bolt pistols, bolters, and close combat weapons, so there's not much of a need.
-Yes, they can.

k, thanks, especially for that info on the Dreadnought, I've been really boggled about that. Does it say that in Codex Space Marines, because I can't ever recall seeing it.

Ozymandias wrote:I guess it's no use to mention that the Chaos dex came out 2 years ago before they probably even started thinking about the SW codex and that the design direction has shifted pretty significantly since then....

That does not make it suck less...


Abadababadooon has it right. Space wolves are the chaos codex of choice now.

One question that has probably already been covered:

Are space wolf scouts still able to have a wolf guard attached and use their 'operate behind enemy lines' ability?

Andilus Greatsword wrote:k, thanks, especially for that info on the Dreadnought, I've been really boggled about that. Does it say that in Codex Space Marines, because I can't ever recall seeing it.

Considering EVERY OTHER rule in the SM codex say "See WH40K RB for rules" I would not count on it.

Here's the thing about the Chaos Codex. Some people like it and some don't. Its value is in the eye of the beholder. If you think its sucks, it's because of you rather than some property of the Codex.

I predict that something similar will happen with the Space Wolves codex: some people will like it, and others will hate it.

Yeah, it's not a rule specific to SM Dreads, it's common to all Dreads so it'll be in the main book.

Hehe. This is easily the most anticipated codex I've seen come out in my lifetime, which doesn't surprise me since they were my first army back in 2nd.

In about 90 min I'll put up a couple nice high resolution photos of the new sprues. There's a single photo of both on the GW website but it's of questionable quality, and you can't zoom in like you can with the Dakka Gallery.

Do wolf guard terminators have terminator armor or runic terminator armor?

Pretty sure Runic Terminator Armour is exclusive to Rune Priests and Njal. Possibly just Njal.

Ozymandias wrote:Yeah, it's not a rule specific to SM Dreads, it's common to all Dreads so it'll be in the main book.

k, I've looked it up and haven't been able to find it, thanks for the help.

Is their any saying thing against me giving one my Grey Hunters The Wolf Totem, Power Fist and the Plasma Pistol. I know that makes one model a Point sink that could be taken out easy, but the fig is cool.

Nurglitch wrote:

The Fenrisian Wolves and the Thunderwolf Cavalry don't really make any sense, but at least they aren't firing them out of cannons! Wolf cannon, as it were.

Still, thank God we now have a codex that can represent all the diverse Space Wolf armies except the 13th Company!

I think the idea behind Canis was to "unlock" the 13th company build, or at least the spirit of it. All the elements, Mark of the Wulfen, Fenrisian hound packs and berserk characters are represented. The only thing missing is Wulfen, which I personally just intend to model as the thunderwolf Cavalry.

Some pieces are missing from the sprues (I was about two minutes too late!), but here are said parts assembled.


Not great quality photos, but better than the GW website regardless. Remember you can zoom in on the Dakka Gallery if there's something wrong with your eyes, but I had to take the pics quickly so the boys could get back to assembling them, and the girlfriend messed up the camera settings...
There are just over 40 heads.


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Definitely can't have Wolf Guard with Scouts, unfortunately. Can have one with Mark of Wulfen, though.

That's good, thanks for the photo's and effort.

Cheers about the wolfguard not being able to be included with the scouts. I like it.

This codex has got me interested in 40k again.

I am almost tempted to throw out all my current troops... That model looks so wolfy. I need it!

This has probably already been discussed - but is running Ragnar with BC's a silly idea now? Or does the d3 add to the blood claws +2?

Also for clarification (mine that is), can BCs shoot within 6" if an IC is attached to the squad rather than a WG?

Grr, I already have my 6 troop choices filled, but I'm very tempted to buy the Space Wolves conversion kit...

Probably should hold off, since I want my $$$ to last.

anyone have a tally on the points cost for wargear they could discuss with me over PM?

Defiler wrote:
The only thing missing is Wulfen, which I personally just intend to model as the thunderwolf Cavalry.

Anyone else picturing this as space wolves riding piggy back style on wulfen?

Please we don't need any more homo-erotic 40k imagery than there already is.

So 2 Thunderhammers per box set? All the bits on that kit make me keen to buy it simply for the conversions etc that you'd be able to do more easily with everything plastic.

BeefyG wrote:Please we don't need any more homo-erotic 40k imagery than there already is.

So 2 Thunderhammers per box set? All the bits on that kit make me keen to buy it simply for the conversions etc that you'd be able to do more easily with everything plastic.

Two Thunderhammers Think of that Wolf Guard

However now I can build my Space Wolf Biker Gang
-Wolf Guards on Bikes with Thunder Hammers and Biker Chains [Frost Blades]