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I rescind what I formerly said about Wolf Guard in Scout packs. You most certainly can attach Wolf Guard to anything - pretty much as before, you buy a pack and can split it up for pack leaders.


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Canis Wolfborn

15 Wolves
-Cyberwolf

15 Wolves
-Cyberwolf

15 Wolves

15 Wolves

15 Wolves

15 Wolves

5 Thunderwolf Cavalry
-Power Fist

5 Thunderwolf Cavalry
-Power Fist

5 Thunderwolf Cavalry
-Power Fist

1746pts

It can't win 2 out of 3 missions but by golly it'll kick ass in the 3rd one.

The Hunter saga only applies to the character himself. Sort of weird, but at least that single character could be on a Thunderwolf with 6" move, fleet then a 12" charge.

Nurglitch wrote:Here's the thing about the Chaos Codex. Some people like it and some don't. Its value is in the eye of the beholder. If you think its sucks, it's because of you rather than some property of the Codex.

Yes, Abadabadoobaddon possesses the property of not liking bland uninspired crap, and thus does not like the Chaos Codex. This is a property of Abadabadoobaddon and not some property of the Codex.

I have a simple question concerning counter-attack.

In the 5th edition rules a group that is assaulted "piles in" to get as many models as possible into the fight.

How is counter-attack differant than this if it doesn't add an extra attack as if they charged?

Ninthplain

Ninthplain wrote:I have a simple question concerning counter-attack.

In the 5th edition rules a group that is assaulted "piles in" to get as many models as possible into the fight.

How is counter-attack differant than this if it doesn't add an extra attack as if they charged?

Ninthplain

it does, but Blood Claws only get +1, not +2

Arctik_Firangi wrote:
Some pieces are missing from the sprues (I was about two minutes too late!), but here are said parts assembled.


Not great quality photos, but better than the GW website regardless. Remember you can zoom in on the Dakka Gallery if there's something wrong with your eyes, but I had to take the pics quickly so the boys could get back to assembling them, and the girlfriend messed up the camera settings...
There are just over 40 heads.

So there ARE good looking heads on that sprue...?

Why oh why did GW paint and photograph all the goofy/down syndrome looking ones? Also, it appears that the legs are the same scale as the current marines, contrary to the original thought after viewing the 1st grey hunter and blood claw, who appear to be standing up a little straighter. Oh happy day!

Of course, I just want to play mechanized wolfies, which is just like any other mechanized marine army, so what's the draw.... :(

Ninthplain wrote:I have a simple question concerning counter-attack.

In the 5th edition rules a group that is assaulted "piles in" to get as many models as possible into the fight.

How is counter-attack differant than this if it doesn't add an extra attack as if they charged?

Ninthplain

Also, Counter-Attack requires a leadership test now to get the bonus.

Looking at some of those heads I have to ask, were the Space Wolves originally a hair band?

I hope the 8 points for the Wolves (with S and T 4 btw) are a sign for cheaper hormagaunts in the next tyranid codex.

Had a look at it today, nice psychic powers, but pretty expensive.

Those cheap meltas are bugging me, though. Doesn't GW realize anyone is using meltas for anti tank? Why is the lascannon still that expensive and meltas are dirt cheap?

Greets
Schepp himself

Ninthplain wrote:I have a simple question concerning counter-attack.

In the 5th edition rules a group that is assaulted "piles in" to get as many models as possible into the fight.

How is counter-attack differant than this if it doesn't add an extra attack as if they charged?

Ninthplain

If the unit passes a leadership test when it is charged, they get a +1A bonus.

Napalm wrote:Looking at some of those heads I have to ask, were the Space Wolves originally a hair band?

Yup, under the Primarch Dee Snider.

nice psychic powers though i think they may be nerfed in future. I mean, the one regarding the initiative test would murder tyranids, which is obviously a little unfair if they can take out their large units so easily. Still i bet eldar players would largely laugh at it (in regards to their elites having sweet initiative).

I'm not a massive space wolf fan (the colours put me off) but they certainly have character!

Actually, in regards to Tyranids being nerfed by MAW, I have just thought of an easy way to destroy the Rune Priest before he can get near the Monsterous Creatures. Simply use an infiltrating Broodlord and a large unit of Genestealers to attack the Rune Priest. The MAW is practically useless against this unit, since they have high initiative, and the Broodlord could tear the Rune Priest to shreds before he has a chance to strike back. Of course, there's always the issue of them getting shot up before they reach the Rune Priest, but I think this is a good way to keep Tyranids competitive vs SW.

It say "Any Model"
Njal is going to leading rom the front
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No Meat Shields"

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Actually, in regards to Tyranids being nerfed by MAW, I have just thought of an easy way to destroy the Rune Priest before he can get near the Monsterous Creatures. Simply use an infiltrating Broodlord and a large unit of Genestealers to attack the Rune Priest. The MAW is practically useless against this unit, since they have high initiative, and the Broodlord could tear the Rune Priest to shreds before he has a chance to strike back. Of course, there's always the issue of them getting shot up before they reach the Rune Priest, but I think this is a good way to keep Tyranids competitive vs SW.

Unless, you know, the Rune Priest is 13" or more from a table edge, in a drop pod, or. . . naaa - I am just going to stop.

As for the "keep Tyranids competative" bit. . .

Anpu42 wrote:

BeefyG wrote:Please we don't need any more homo-erotic 40k imagery than there already is.

So 2 Thunderhammers per box set? All the bits on that kit make me keen to buy it simply for the conversions etc that you'd be able to do more easily with everything plastic.

Two Thunderhammers Think of that Wolf Guard

However now I can build my Space Wolf Biker Gang
-Wolf Guards on Bikes with Thunder Hammers and Biker Chains [Frost Blades]

I'm pretty sure it's just one Thunderhammer on there. It looks like the sprues are being photographed once from each side. (So 2 sprues, 4 photos.)

That is correct, they are showing you both sides.

I've held the sprues at my local GW store and pictures don't do them justice. They really out-did themselves with the amount of fun detail on these new plastics.

I'm sorry if this has been addressed, but I've sifted through the seven pages here and some of the other threads covering the book and can't find an answer.

When will the book be released? I'd check GW's site, but alas, the firewall not alloweth...

Release date October 3.

Schepp himself wrote:Those cheap meltas are bugging me, though. Doesn't GW realize anyone is using meltas for anti tank? Why is the lascannon still that expensive and meltas are dirt cheap?

Unfortunately, SW don't have access to the number and/or quality (Vulkan for the TL!) of Multi-meltas that Codex Marines do. I think the GH with cheap dual-melta may have to fill some of that role. As someone who bought several attack bikes, and wolfed them up, I'm really a sad puppy right now.

I don't know why lascannons are still so expensive. That no one is taking them in any number should be a hint.

TY BrassScorpion... I've been sitting on a FLGS gift certificate that I think I'll be redeeming soon.

Swiftclaws can take Attack Bikes, with Multi-Meltas unless the original post is not wholly accurate.

The dual-melta Grey Hunters may not happen: you can't take a Wolfguard and put them in a Rhino if you go for the second Melta Gun. I think that's why it's 0pts, because you pay for it in other ways.

Can I get an exact wording on the wolf gaurd splitting off men to be squad leaders, as well as the terminator heavy weapons business?
I.E. can we set up a 10 man squad, some as termies, some as squad leaders (a biker, jumper, and some regular), in order to get the second termie heavy weapon, then peel off all the squad leaders to their appropriate teams leaving like 6 or 7 termies with 2 AC's to put with a HQ in a crusader?

Also, there has been some mention of Grimnar making all Wolf Gaurd into troops, while Regular Wolf Lord making 1 WG squad troops, like ork warboss. Can I get a yes or no to both of these facts?

Got a clear up on Lukas.

Whenever he is killed, roll a D6. If the Space Wolf player rolls higher, ALL models in base to base with Lukas are removed from play.

Thus shoot him in the face, and as long as you are not in HTH, you're safe. It says NOTHING about it having to affect the model that landed the killing blow.

Nurglitch wrote:Swiftclaws can take Attack Bikes, with Multi-Meltas unless the original post is not wholly accurate.

The dual-melta Grey Hunters may not happen: you can't take a Wolfguard and put them in a Rhino if you go for the second Melta Gun. I think that's why it's 0pts, because you pay for it in other ways.

But, Swiftclaws are only BS3, and I want them in melee with troops, not tank hunting. It's an option, but I don't think it's a great one.

As I said in a previous post, you can add a lot of bling to GH squads (WG with a powerfist and combiweapon, special weapon, wolf totem, powerfist or powerweapon, plasma pistol, and Mark of the Wulfen). That adds roughly 80-100 pts to the squads (depending on gear). So, for the price of two blinged-up GH squads, you can basically take three 10-man with 2 specials in a rhino. Now, I don't know if one is soundly better than the other, but there's an option to field lots of relatively cheap infantry and jump infantry. My guess is that I'll come down somewhere in between. I'm think 10 GH with two specials, Mark of the Wulfen, and maybe the Totem is a pretty well-rounded yet economical option.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Got a clear up on Lukas.

Whenever he is killed, roll a D6. If the Space Wolf player rolls higher, ALL models in base to base with Lukas are removed from play.

Thus shoot him in the face, and as long as you are not in HTH, you're safe. It says NOTHING about it having to affect the model that landed the killing blow.

Good to hear. At least it isn't a guaranteed removal in CC either, which was worrying me.

Also, those new sprues look really nice, even if I'm not a Space Wolves fan myself.

I know my photos don't do the sprues justice. The two sprues I photographed (yes, front and back) contained parts for 5 models, so you do indeed get two thunder hammers per box.

To re-clear what MDG said, you don't have to roll higher for Lukas' stasis bomb - equal is enough.

Another neat thing is Wolf Guard terminators can take 2 assault cannons in a squad, but overall they're not the shootiest army. Ther is an option to take Wolf Guard as troops (up to 3 squads IIRC), making them easily the most elite army book out there.

dietrich wrote:

As I said in a previous post, you can add a lot of bling to GH squads (WG with a powerfist and combiweapon, special weapon, wolf totem, powerfist or powerweapon, plasma pistol, and Mark of the Wulfen). That adds roughly 80-100 pts to the squads (depending on gear). So, for the price of two blinged-up GH squads, you can basically take three 10-man with 2 specials in a rhino. Now, I don't know if one is soundly better than the other, but there's an option to field lots of relatively cheap infantry and jump infantry. My guess is that I'll come down somewhere in between. I'm think 10 GH with two specials, Mark of the Wulfen, and maybe the Totem is a pretty well-rounded yet economical option.

I'm sorry to single you out, but I keep seeing posts about the Mark Of The Wulfen. It replaces your attack characteristic with 2-7, and also can't be used in conjunction with any special weapon. Wolf claws, frost blade, power fist, runic weapon, anything.

So why do people keep posting "I'm going to slap the mark on so and so..."? Would you rather your SC have like 6 frost blade attacks on the charge, or something like 3-8 rending, strength 4 ones on the charge? I only see it being semi worthwhile versus soft, armorless opponents and even then there is something to be said about ignoring armor saves, even 5+ ones.

Defiler wrote:

dietrich wrote:

As I said in a previous post, you can add a lot of bling to GH squads (WG with a powerfist and combiweapon, special weapon, wolf totem, powerfist or powerweapon, plasma pistol, and Mark of the Wulfen). That adds roughly 80-100 pts to the squads (depending on gear). So, for the price of two blinged-up GH squads, you can basically take three 10-man with 2 specials in a rhino. Now, I don't know if one is soundly better than the other, but there's an option to field lots of relatively cheap infantry and jump infantry. My guess is that I'll come down somewhere in between. I'm think 10 GH with two specials, Mark of the Wulfen, and maybe the Totem is a pretty well-rounded yet economical option.

I'm sorry to single you out, but I keep seeing posts about the Mark Of The Wulfen. It replaces your attack characteristic with 2-7, and also can't be used in conjunction with any special weapon. Wolf claws, frost blade, power fist, runic weapon, anything.

So why do people keep posting "I'm going to slap the mark on so and so..."? Would you rather your SC have like 6 frost blade attacks on the charge, or something like 3-8 rending, strength 4 ones on the charge? I only see it being semi worthwhile versus soft, armorless opponents and even then there is something to be said about ignoring armor saves, even 5+ ones.

Well it's generally not that good on special characters because it does effect their loadout, although lone wolves with the mark can be brutual anti infantry. Also you can put the mark on a grey hunter or a blood claw in the squad, so you can basically have hidden attacks inside the squad, and being rending they aren't going to be all that fun.