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Random poster quoting the SW Codex wrote:As a psychic shooting attack, trace a stright line along the board, starting from the Rune Priest and ending 24" away. This line may pass through terrain. Monstrous creatures, beasts, cavalry, bikes and infantry models that are touched by this line must take an Initiative test.(bgb p.8) If the models fails the test, it is removed from play. Monstrous creatures subtract 1 from thier dice roll due to their tremendous size and strength. A roll of a 6 is always a failure.

Seems credible -- big thing to note is that it only works on MCs, beasts, cavalry, bikes, and infantry. Completely ignores vehicles, too.

This means jetbikes (e.g., Necron Lords with destroyer body, Seer Councils, etc) and jump infantry (e.g., Crisis suits, many of the things you'd send to kill a Rune Priest anyway) aren't affected by it.

'Fexes still die horribly, but Tau and Necrons have a lot less to worry about than was originally rumored.

Of course, grain of salt applies.

EzeKK wrote:Lone Wolves are freakin insain. Also, to anyone that thinks this will be CRAZY OVERPOWER DUDE, try and build a good deathwing army. It's hard as HELL to include what you want when everything costs 250 points for the most part and that's not even meched up.

Try this disguisting combo for Lone Wolves:

Terminator Armor; Storm Shield; Chainfist.

HOLY S%*$! 2+ / 3+ FNP Eternal Warrior with 2 wounds and a Chainfist. For 85 points. Oh, don't forget hes got Saga they got Beastslayer top so uhh your MC's and Walkers and anything T5+ are screwed. Oh yeah, he can also board a LR if you have one handy.

In steleks words: "This is the Dreadnought you always wanted, but were afraid to ask Santa for."

So for 170 points for two? Yes I will take them! For more fun add Wolves to make sure that he will be able to avoid those pesky AP denying shots!

So, you'll take 2 models for the price of 10 Grey Huntes with meltaguns? Not saying Lone Wolves are bad or anything, but I wouldn't take 170pts worth of them...

Odin didn't complain when he was swallowed by the Fenris Wolf at Ragnarok (clearly the inspiration for the new "World Wolf" Space Wolf psychic power) and he knew that he would lose the battle ahead of time. You'd think 40K players could take a lesson from that and complain less.

Also, I'm already hearing a resurgence of really bad pronunciations of the name "Njal Stormcaller". The letter "j" in the name is pronounced like in the word "fjord". Fee-yord, Nee-yall. It's a Nordic name. Now please stop calling him En-jall or Ni-jall. Thank you from the gods of grammar and learning about other languages besides English.

BrassScorpion wrote:Odin didn't complain when he was swallowed by the Fenris Wolf at Ragnarok (clearly the inspiration for the new "World Wolf" Space Wolf psychic power) and he knew that he would lose the battle ahead of time. You'd think 40K players could take a lesson from that and complain less.

Also, I'm already hearing a resurgence of really bad pronunciations of the name "Njal Stormcaller". The letter "j" in the name is pronounced like in the word "fjord". Fee-yord, Nee-yall. It's a Nordic name. Now please stop calling him En-jall or Ni-jall. Thank you from the gods of grammar and learning about other languages besides English.

Brass Scorpion gets 50 points for Mythology Reference.

These quotes for Njal have been going on since 2nd Ed and I suppose won't change.

Has anyone else come up with some cool names or background for some Space Wolf successor chapters?

I only found one and they were disbanded due to some dodgy mutation:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wolf_Brothers

BrassScorpion wrote:
Also, I'm already hearing a resurgence of really bad pronunciations of the name "Njal Stormcaller". The letter "j" in the name is pronounced like in the word "fjord". Fee-yord, Nee-yall. It's a Nordic name. Now please stop calling him En-jall or Ni-jall. Thank you from the gods of grammar and learning about other languages besides English.

DingDingDing

winnar!

same with Bjorn

its not B-Jorn its B-Yorn

And don't forget everyone's favorite weird scandavian singer - Bjork!

She's Icelandic.

Iceland has an incredibley rich historical connection with Vikings.

Icelandic, Scandavian, does it matter? She wore a freaking swan dress!

She's Icelandic.

Yes she is, though I'm not sure what that was meant to contribute.

Iceland was settled by Nordic peoples who migrated there. Most of what we know about Norse Mythology, the basis for the Space Wolves background by GW, comes from the Prose Edda, which was written by Snorri Sturluson in Iceland.

Lord of the Rings fans might also be interested to know that the names of most of the Dwarves in The Hobbit and the name Gandalf also come from The Prose Edda. It was one of many ancient sources used by Prof. Tolkien to write his Middle Earth novels.

BrassScorpion wrote:

She's Icelandic.

Yes she is, though I'm not sure what that was meant to contribute.

Iceland was settled by Nordic peoples who migrated there. Most of what we know about Norse Mythology, the basis for the Space Wolves background by GW, comes from the Prose Edda, which was written by Snorri Sturluson in Iceland.

Lord of the Rings fans might also be interested to know that the names of most of the Dwarves in The Hobbit and the name Gandalf also come from The Prose Edda. It was one of many ancient sources used by Prof. Tolkien to write his Middle Earth novels.

Another 50 points.

Have you got any good names that I could use for a Space Wolf successor chapter?

Have you got any good names that I could use for a Space Wolf successor chapter?

I'll take a quick look through my Prose Edda and Poetic Edda and see if there's anything worth mentioning to you, then PM you.

I actually built a Space Wolf army of my own back in 2nd edition 40K and the first thing I did when wanting words to write on the little text scroll areas on my Bjorn model and other models was to consult the source material, including the runic alphabet shown in my book on Viking history.

Since you seem genuinely interested, here's another tidbit of info. The name "Treebeard" comes from the Orkneyinga, the saga of the Vikings in the Orkney Islands. That's a good one to read too.

Thanks Brass Scorpion, much obliged.

I definitely recommend the Orkneyinga saga, I read it when I went to the Orkneys a couple of years ago.

I looked at the words Orkneyinga saga and at first I thought it was the Orky Ninja Saga.

Nurglitch wrote:It is kind of funny that Thunderwolves are better than Juggernauts.

It's even funnier that Rune Priests are better psykers than Tzeentch Sorcerers (bcuz tehy iz choas warbandz hurr!). And that CSM squads are more regimented and codex-compliant than Grey Hunters (bcuz tehy iz choas warbandz hurr!). And that Chaos Chosen have like way less options than Wolf Guard (bcuz tehy iz choas warbandz hurr!) but get infiltrate instead - because I don't know about you, but to me nothing screams "hardened Heresy-era veteran with 10,000 years of experience" than infiltrate and +1Ld (bcuz tehy iz choas warbandz hurr!).

But yeah, I guess the Chaos codex is pretty good too.

airmang wrote:

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:
Please let the first Legion Codex be for Thousand Sons. Its embarrassing that the best psykers in the fluff are the worst psykers in the game!

Who needs Legion Codexes? This is the BEST Chaos Codex ever!

Yeah, the only problem with using the SW codex for a counts-as CSM army is that it doesn't have any options daemonic gifts and mutations - and Chaos just isn't Chaos without a nice long list of gifts and mutations to customize your... oh wait, nevermind.

I guess it's no use to mention that the Chaos dex came out 2 years ago before they probably even started thinking about the SW codex and that the design direction has shifted pretty significantly since then....

Ozymandias wrote:I guess it's no use to mention that the Chaos dex came out 2 years ago before they probably even started thinking about the SW codex and that the design direction has shifted pretty significantly since then....

It will be sooo funny when they change their mind again right after all the Imperial releases and blandhammer the Necrons and Dark Eldar into the dirt.

lord_blackfang wrote:It will be sooo funny when they change their mind again right after all the Imperial releases and blandhammer the Necrons and Dark Eldar into the dirt.

Blandhammer... heh. That so coins the Dark Angels Codex.

Ozymandias wrote:I guess it's no use to mention that the Chaos dex came out 2 years ago before they probably even started thinking about the SW codex and that the design direction has shifted pretty significantly since then....

Around here, thoughts like that are about as useful as promoting the freedom of the press to the Inquistorial conventions of W40k.

I think people are going to have a change of heart about that after six months of playing Space Wolves. I don't think the design direction has shifted so much as vibrated. Take the transport restrictions on vehicles, for example. Or the pricing and rules of Lightening Claws (okay, 'Wolf Claws'). Or the two Independent Characters per HQ slot thing.

dietrich wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:I guess it's no use to mention that the Chaos dex came out 2 years ago before they probably even started thinking about the SW codex and that the design direction has shifted pretty significantly since then....

Around here, thoughts like that are about as useful as promoting the freedom of the press to the Inquistorial conventions of W40k.

Hey man, I play Dark Angels.

I just get tired of hearing how the Chaos dex is worse than the SM dex or now the SW dex when that comparison is a little unfair. If the Chaos dex were written tomorrow I bet you'd see a style very similar to what we've seen since 5th was released.

Ozymandias wrote:
I just get tired of hearing how the Chaos dex is worse than the SM dex or now the SW dex when that comparison is a little unfair. If the Chaos dex were written tomorrow I bet you'd see a style very similar to what we've seen since 5th was released.

So, if GW organized their codex development better, and tied it into rules revision... we wouldn't have this problem? I mean, when confronted with a statement that 'Blah sucks.' I usually don't consider 'Yeah, but blah is out of date too!' as a very convincing counter argument. This trickle development (and release, really) nonsense just is hell to a game like this.

Oh well, at least they haven't decided to do an 'End Days' edition, and then start over again. (Unless they have. Have they?)

So does anyone here actually have the codex?

When we're talking about a book that was written for a completely different edition I think the counter argument is valid. When people say that Tau suck it's perfectly acceptable to mention that Tau was written with a different ruleset and metagame in mind. And in 4th ed they were pretty good.

kitsunez wrote:So does anyone here actually have the codex?

Yes.

ShumaGorath wrote:

kitsunez wrote:So does anyone here actually have the codex?

Yes.

do you have the codex?

kitsunez wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

kitsunez wrote:So does anyone here actually have the codex?

Yes.

do you have the codex?

Of course not, it hasn't released yet. It would not be the act of a gentleman such as myself to acquire such a thing.

Ozymandias wrote:I guess it's no use to mention that the Chaos dex came out 2 years ago before they probably even started thinking about the SW codex and that the design direction has shifted pretty significantly since then....

No, because by the time Chaos get redone there's a good chance the design direction will have come full circle and they'll be back into blandification mode.

We all know the story. In the waning days of 4th edition the designers had finally come to the conclusion that they couldn't balance their rules for crap. Their solution? Write less rules of course! The idea was that a simple game is by default a balanced game (take chess for example) - so if everyone has the same rules then everything will be balanced. If the fewer options and special rules we have, the greater the potential for balance, then a concerted scaling back of options should inevitably lead to balance spontaneously breaking out eventually (they hoped). Behold - Codex: Dark Angels! How could anything this bland and uniform and lacking in options, be anything but balanced? "Here's how!" exclaimed Codex: Chaos Space Marines with a resounding Fzorgle! Oops - back to the drawing board!

Which leads us to the imminent Codex: Space Wolves, chock full of options and special rules - which is great - but you know sooner or later if they stay on this present course they're going to make a codex with an option or special rule that breaks the game. Then of course they will come to the same conclusion they did at the end of 4th edition and begin reblandification with a vengeance. This inevitably will happen around the time Dark Angels come up for revision.

Ozymandias wrote:When we're talking about a book that was written for a completely different edition I think the counter argument is valid. When people say that Tau suck it's perfectly acceptable to mention that Tau was written with a different ruleset and metagame in mind. And in 4th ed they were pretty good.

Perhaps, but even if the point is granted, it doesn't much help current C:SM players, does it?

But heck, I play Necrons, so what do I know. We're used to making do.