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I see quotes within quotes, I see two great Houses of the Dakkasraad feuding...

Sure, their store, their rules. No one's trying to say they don't have the right to impose any bs rule they want.

All we're saying is that it's bs. I mean technically they could leave the doors locked during their hours of operation and refuse to let anyone in the store...that's their right, but it won't be very good for business, and I care to wager it would garner a few reasonable complaints.

yeah,
While I voted yes.
I have to agree with the concept that using Pig Iron stuff on GW plastic cadians hurts FW sales.

At the end of the day FW is the branch of GW for officially advanced customising your stuff...

Panic...

Speaking of FW... ITs so weird that not even FW products are 100% legal gamewise... Anyone remembers when it was a bad practice to use LOTR bits on 40k armies?... These are the kinds of abuse you have to take...

yeah,
But that was to do with the LOTR license agreement. GW had permission to use the LOTR IP, but only to be sold only as part of a LOTR game... Not as add ons for all it's sytems... I guess New Line Cinema didn't want to see frodo converted to a ratling, as that could damage the LOTR brand.


Panic...

Good example... would New Line Cinema mind if I use balrog wings on my hivetyrant? Would GW mind?

Would both companies policies and arrangements get between me from doing what I want with those wings? As far as I'm concerned its GW selling it on their stores, right? Much like greenstuff really, I sculpt a full army and get the boot because of some weird percentage rullings that only supports a part of their products?
The fella that buys a full balrog for the wings then a HT is taking away GW money?

See, all these silly impositions leads to only one thing, to ridicule and complications that a hobby person can live without.

All of these restrictions only matter if you want to play in GW shops or in official and sponsored tournaments.

Kilkrazy wrote:All of these restrictions only matter if you want to play in GW shops or in official and sponsored tournaments.

Whilst in the UK we have church hall and community hall clubs around the country, I seem to have picked up from reading here that the USA folks are far more likely to play in a GW store past the age of 16.

Kilkrazy wrote:All of these restrictions only matter if you want to play in GW shops or in official and sponsored tournaments.

Or in some independent stores or gaming clubs & leagues that choose to adopt them... even in countries with NO GW
The question still a bit the same, would you restrict yourself from enjoying modelling/painting in its fullness just because you want to attend to the only hobby store in your town?
Its a personal choice and should not be imposed by agressive tactics.

Looking a bit deeper perhaps thats what GW really wants... fewer customers at their stores.

My local GW store manager has been giving me some advice and how to convert up some cheap urban war minis I go from Arcane minis sale
looking at tech priests and servitor conversions. he may have doubts letting me field the conversions in store for competitions or tourneys but he has no problem in me bringing them 'in house'.

I feel bad now, maybe I should speak to GW head office and mention this guys name and suggest that as an employee of GW that maybe he should be trying to sell me GW products at his GW store?

Enough frivolity...

I voted that you should be able to use different models I BELIEVE that I can go into GW store and for casuals games use a certain amount of converted product in my games, the same goes for FLGS etc. I also BELIEVE that in a GW sanctioned Tourney, event or other GW sponsored mularkey that only GW branded and sold as product should be used. This applies to Rackham and PP sanctioned events as well, who wants to give exposure to the competitions IP?

Over zealous red shirts be damned! there are plenty of good GW stores with competent and educated mangers and staff but they are paid to promote GW, nothing else.

NAVARRO wrote:Speaking of FW... ITs so weird that not even FW products are 100% legal gamewise... Anyone remembers when it was a bad practice to use LOTR bits on 40k armies?... These are the kinds of abuse you have to take...

see page 4 on here.

Sidstyler wrote:What about fully-sculpted models you did yourself? Do you have to show proof that you bought the green stuff at a GW?

That was also a concern. if 70% of the model has to be GW, then how can you play with say fenris wolves as there are no models yet, or a hell pit abomination? i seem to recall, self built or scratch built things like that being ok, but ive only ever been in one GW store in Munchen, and that for maybe 5 minutes.
So really, if this is ok and that not, and then the percentage of this is ok and then that not, i think its all a matter of how each store want to run in general.

My local independant store has strict rules on WYSIWYG in its tournaments, but im still able to bring my IG WarZone minis.

Either way i think most of us agree that the Red Shirt was acting stupidly, and that GW is a bit bent over its policies. But what isnt so cool is that incidents like this happen offten.

reds8n wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Speaking of FW... ITs so weird that not even FW products are 100% legal gamewise... Anyone remembers when it was a bad practice to use LOTR bits on 40k armies?... These are the kinds of abuse you have to take...

see page 4 on here.

Yup still loud and clear on their rullings PDF...
As such, a model you got 100% at GW is not legal tournament wise and will be removed from table...

Well, at least the PDF link freezing has highlighted a fault with firefox that I've been able to report...

NAVARRO wrote:

reds8n wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Speaking of FW... ITs so weird that not even FW products are 100% legal gamewise... Anyone remembers when it was a bad practice to use LOTR bits on 40k armies?... These are the kinds of abuse you have to take...

see page 4 on here.

Yup still loud and clear on their rullings PDF...
As such, a model you got 100% at GW is not legal tournament wise and will be removed from table...

...errrr.... no. The section on page two--by the whole chariot thing-- basically says it will all be done on a case by case basis and the refs. MAY choose not to allow it. I;ve played in tournies etc at WW for over 10 years and very rarely have I seen them remove or refuse a model. Hell I've played a game there one afternoon with a guy with an entirely home sculpted squat army and all he got was compliments from the many staff who wandered by.

best way to summarise their position is : don't be a douche and you'll probably be alright.

It's almost like they want to treat people like sensible adults.. it would appear though this is too optimistic.

Kanluwen wrote:.

You don't go to Privateer events and expect them to let you field GW stand-ins do you?

Has anyone tried? Or tried with hybrid PP/GW models? One does wonder.


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reds8n wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Speaking of FW... ITs so weird that not even FW products are 100% legal gamewise... Anyone remembers when it was a bad practice to use LOTR bits on 40k armies?... These are the kinds of abuse you have to take...

see page 4 on here.

Hmmm, that seems to imply you an, butyou wont be photographed...

reds8n wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:

reds8n wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Speaking of FW... ITs so weird that not even FW products are 100% legal gamewise... Anyone remembers when it was a bad practice to use LOTR bits on 40k armies?... These are the kinds of abuse you have to take...

see page 4 on here.

Yup still loud and clear on their rullings PDF...
As such, a model you got 100% at GW is not legal tournament wise and will be removed from table...

...errrr.... no. The section on page two--by the whole chariot thing-- basically says it will all be done on a case by case basis and the refs. MAY choose not to allow it. I;ve played in tournies etc at WW for over 10 years and very rarely have I seen them remove or refuse a model. Hell I've played a game there one afternoon with a guy with an entirely home sculpted squat army and all he got was compliments from the many staff who wandered by.

best way to summarise their position is : don't be a douche and you'll probably be alright.

It's almost like they want to treat people like sensible adults.. it would appear though this is too optimistic.

Only read the lotr part
But yes I think the best route for them is to really take things light, and your experience seems to be more according to what.
Even if its in rules there should be some room for flexibility and better judgement of each situation... if thats the case on most GW stores then its ok.
There are always going to be people who will take things to the letter though, lets just hope they are keept as a minority and are not managers.

My armies after painted could be hard to see if its sculpted or just other company bits and they have a big chance of being "not acceptable" yet its a risk I have the biggest pleasure to cross.
One thing is for sure when a store puts the percentage above 20% I know I'm not welcome and I'm not going to be there