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Normally if the models are a high percentage of GW parts they are still allowed in GW tournaments and in GW stores. A simple head swap should not have been an issue if the other 90% of the models are built from GW parts. It appears you simply got an overzealous or uninformed employee on your back there.

Fraz! Back to your hole! You're doing your rabble rousing thing again!




I still don't understand why there's so many folk who seem to fail to realize:

The only way, shape, or form that the policy could be considered "official GW" is if the manager of the store enforced it. The redshirt was a jerk. We've established that. Thread over. Nothing more to see, because that is NOT OFFICIAL GW POLICY.

And as for GW being tyrannical...
Do you really think if there were Rackham or Privateer Press stores that they'd let you play proxy games on the premise using GW models?

The redshirt literally has the badges and incidents of the store and can enforce store policy. Its pretty official if the redshirt threw him out of the store no?

Again, I've played in both GW stores and nonGW stores and this has not been an issue. Now I am an older player, and a lot of the nonsene people report (painted minis etc.) doesn't occur to me or my poeple. Are you really going to tell someone old enough to an Old One that he has to have fully flocked minis to play in the store?

"You need to have GW minis to play here."
"Thats an RT era dreadnought."
"oh"
"Its older than you are."
"er"
"Since you have transgressed I will now bore you with OLD PERSON STORY, so that you will not make this mistake again."
(torturous tale commences)

Eh.

Then you got thrown out of a terribly run shop. What's the downside there?

Kanluwen makes an excellent point there.

Wow, sounds like a stupid redshirt more than anything. I'd say as long as you don't go around with a megaphone saying your IG have Pig Iron heads and that those heads are far superior to GW heads you'll be fine. If anyone asks, just say that they are conversions and leave it at that.

Frazzled wrote:
"You need to have GW minis to play here."
"Thats an RT era dreadnought."
"oh"
"Its older than you are."
"er"
"Since you have transgressed I will now bore you with OLD PERSON STORY, so that you will not make this mistake again."
(torturous tale commences)

Haha.. breathe man.. breathe.



on topic.. Its a shame folks do the old ego trip thing on occasion, worked with some complete twonks in my time, just tend to get on with it and ignore em.

As to the actual models, odd, I seem to remember using the odd Grenadier model in GW stores in the past, maybe they've come down harder on that now, or maybe they just failed to notice?

New metaphor, you buy a big mac meal and toss the chips into a burger king chip-holding thing...or pour the coke from the macdonalds cup into the BK cup

Would this be like carrying your GW army in a Sabol or Battlefoam case? If any GW employee tried to tell me what I can and can't do with my purchased minis I'd laugh in his face, then ask to speak with his manager.

Op

Get all the cadian heads from your whole army.. and discreetly place them in said knobends house. in his cereal in his bed, in his car and in his shoes.

Then laugh manicially.

Ozymandias wrote:Would this be like carrying your GW army in a Sabol or Battlefoam case? If any GW employee tried to tell me what I can and can't do with my purchased minis I'd laugh in his face, then ask to speak with his manager.

Seven years ago, my Christmas Present from GW was a Sabol Carry Case with an Aquila on it.....

AFAIK a model has to be 75% GW product to be used as such.
A head swap is possible 15%, not even that, so i dont see why there was a problem.

Ive had problems with them not letting me use sculpted models in the past. (which, funnily enough were made from GW's own GS lol)

Valhallan42nd wrote:It sounds like the redshirt in question is over-zealous, and is pulling policy out of thin air. Either that, or is misunderstanding policy.

I've played at RTT's at GW stores with cadians with pigiron heads, and pointed the heads out to staff, who've liked it. Talk to the Manager of said store, and see what he says.

I've heard it expressed as ratio of parts, some say 90%, some say 51%. But I don't think they are any firm "in a memo" guidelines.

This. I have heard certain ratios, lower than 90%. Get a ratio from the Redshirt in question, if it's 91% or less then you are good.

In EMS, for burn patients, we use the "rule of 9's", counting the head as 9% of the body area. Enough said.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:THIS NEWS JUST IN!

One Redshirt is a knobend, and entire company is condemned on his actions!

Much as it pains me, I have to agree with Grotsnik here, and his rose-tinted glasses.

One GW employee being a tool doesn't mean they're all like that.


Only most of them are like that. :p

Ozymandias wrote:Would this be like carrying your GW army in a Sabol or Battlefoam case? If any GW employee tried to tell me what I can and can't do with my purchased minis I'd laugh in his face, then ask to speak with his manager.

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda want that to happen if only so we can all bitch about it for a few days.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And once again for the hard of understanding.

One Staffer being an idiot does not company policy make.

No given the current state of affairs I'm pretty sure its the company policy, and its a top down approach.

Hold on, wait, stop.

Who are the three people who voted "Not supporting GW". C'mon - who are you?

The poll is 110-3... a pretty overwhelming majority .

Like everyone said already, GW policy allows conversions as long as the model is largely GW parts. Since you wouldn't be not buying anything from GW because of this (you'd have to buy the cadians with heads, then add these) it should be totally cool for tournaments and everything.

I think in a store, the guys there have to try to sell products. I was talking about selling my army and using the funds to buy another, but from bartertown... and of course they wanted me to buy it from there . But they let me take pictures of my stuff for ebay on one of the store tables and everything, so they were very cool about it... just obviously in favor of buying my new stuff in the store

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Would this be like carrying your GW army in a Sabol or Battlefoam case? If any GW employee tried to tell me what I can and can't do with my purchased minis I'd laugh in his face, then ask to speak with his manager.

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda want that to happen if only so we can all bitch about it for a few days.

Oh we totally would too. Maybe we could just repost this thread and be done with it.

Frazzled wrote:

You should feel pity for redshirts, you really should. Like little children, they are so cute when they try to act adult and use the BIG WORDS.

Erm... bit harsh that isn't it? Especially since we know there are staffers or ex staffers about-
Though one of the dakka rules was to, you know be nice to eachother?

Bignutter wrote:

Frazzled wrote:You should feel pity for redshirts, you really should. Like little children, they are so cute when they try to act adult and use the BIG WORDS.

Erm... bit harsh that isn't it? Especially since we know there are staffers or ex staffers about-
Though one of the dakka rules was to, you know be nice to eachother?

As a former redshirt myself, I don't quite like the tone either. But I'm sure that Dakka's resident grumpy old man was just joking with us...

It would be like be calling most of my former customers pig-headed mouth breathers who don't know how to bathe or approach ladies socially awkward. Totally not entirely accurate.

Just to look at this from another direction: I have a friend that plays Valhallans. Every model but one in his army (of quite a considerable amount of models) are GW. He fields the Sorcha model from Warmachine as a platoon commander. As I've never played in a GW store/event, would they allow that?

Bignutter wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

You should feel pity for redshirts, you really should. Like little children, they are so cute when they try to act adult and use the BIG WORDS.

Erm... bit harsh that isn't it? Especially since we know there are staffers or ex staffers about-
Though one of the dakka rules was to, you know be nice to eachother?

funnily enough I was thinking the same thing.

maybe it's a "loose guideline".

Or possibly a "for you lesser people only" thing.

A roolz troll (GW staff) told me just yesterday you can use other model bitz as long as 70% of the model is a GW model. As a matter of fact, he looked up and referred me to another company's website to look for backpack bitz.

Hey I know this has nothing to do with modeling. But I remember back when I was 16 I had a Nike hat. I put some cartoon stickers on my hat and when I was shopping at the mall a Nike rep. saw my hat. He said I couldn't wear the hat cause of the sitckers. I told him that it was my hat I had paid for it there for I could do what I wanted with it.

Frazzled wrote:

Again, I've played in both GW stores and nonGW stores and this has not been an issue. Now I am OLD, and a lot of the nonsene people report (painted minis etc.) doesn't occur to me or my poeple. Are you really going to tell someone old enough to an Old One that he has to have fully flocked minis to play in the store?

fixed your typo, there, Frazz

Bignutter wrote:Erm... bit harsh that isn't it? Especially since we know there are staffers or ex staffers about

One of them being Grotsnik, so Fraz's comment stands.

Bignutter wrote:Though one of the dakka rules was to, you know be nice to eachother?

But GW employees aren't people. They're drones. How can you hurt a drone's feeling? They don't have any.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bignutter wrote:Erm... bit harsh that isn't it? Especially since we know there are staffers or ex staffers about

One of them being Grotsnik, so Fraz's comment stands.

Bignutter wrote:Though one of the dakka rules was to, you know be nice to eachother?

But GW employees aren't people. They're drones. How can you hurt a drone's feeling? They don't have any.

Oh, we have feelings.

In fact, I'm writing a scathing bit of verse about you in my very grimdark emo poetry blog right now. Do you have any words that might describe you, something rhyming with "canker"?

"...and when she stops laughing I thank 'er..."

I think if a GW store did this to me I'd have to sit outside the store(in the Public area of the Mall) and point out the great deals you can get for all your GW needs on EBAY!

Valhallan42nd wrote:In fact, I'm writing a scathing bit of verse about you in my very grimdark emo poetry blog right now. Do you have any words that might describe you, something rhyming with "canker"?

"Magnificent Bastard".

Rhymes very well.