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Thanks all for the comments i'll call the manager later today.

I think we'd all like to hear his response.

Why?

We know what the company policy is.

75% or more of any converted model must be GW to be tournament legal(in an "official" GW tournament).

I agree with Redbeard and Mannahnin , there is no set in stone whats allowed or not . But the moment you used another companie's bits onto GW's that is so cool that catches everyone's eye that they want to check the other companies out, GW will not be happy.

Kanluwen wrote:Why?

We know what the company policy is.

75% or more of any converted model must be GW to be tournament legal(in an "official" GW tournament).

That's fine and dandy but we're not talking about a tournament.

A headswap means they've still sold the Cadians to begin with but what if that company also produces cheaper Cadian stand-ins? You've just indirectly advertised them to someone.

You have to keep in mind that GW centres are shops, despite how they'd like to portray them.

Yes, they're shops, but the red-shirt is likely in the wrong in this case. He made a judgement call that will likely be reversed.

A smart manager will likely look at people reinventing GW models as exciting to his customers. GW sells off of people being excited about models. He loses 6 dollars (the cost of pig iron heads) but gains sales from people who are inspired by that neat looking army.

Try not saying it out loud and noone will care.

So how did this turn to burgers again?

Ask the manager as others have said- but again there is nothing stopping you doing whatever the heck you like, heck you could even cover the models in BBQ sauce and eat them.... i wouldn't suggest it, they don't taste good

(see this talk of food made me hungry)

Kanluwen wrote:Why?

We know what the company policy is.

75% or more of any converted model must be GW to be tournament legal(in an "official" GW tournament).

Source please?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And once again for the hard of understanding.

One Staffer being an idiot does not company policy make.

How many staffers need to do something bone-headed before you concede bone-headedness is GW policy?

This has to be a location thing. The ONLY store close to me that I have available happens to be a GW. Its the reason I got back into the game. The folks there are EXTREMELY cool with just about anything. Some of the regulars have insane conversions going on and no one seems to notice. I play on their tables and usually buy a few boxes when I can to help support them.

Sounds like either my store is too laid back to care about the rules and enforce them and the redshirt was right, or that he was just joking.

Talk to the manager.

whitedragon wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why?

We know what the company policy is.

75% or more of any converted model must be GW to be tournament legal(in an "official" GW tournament).

Source please?

You find it.
I don't care enough about tournaments to be bothered, and there's no GW stores within a five hour drive of me.

The point is, that's always been the stated stance in regards to tournaments. "The majority of the model(75% or more) must be Citadel products to be considered legal for painting contests, or even playability in official Games Workshop sponsored tournaments", if I remember the exact quote right.

I called and the manger said he didn't really care but the redshirt wasnt that happy about being wrong.

But the other local gw I called said I couldn't so I know what store im goning to go to know.

Kanluwen wrote:

whitedragon wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why?

We know what the company policy is.

75% or more of any converted model must be GW to be tournament legal(in an "official" GW tournament).

Source please?

You find it.
I don't care enough about tournaments to be bothered, and there's no GW stores within a five hour drive of me.

The point is, that's always been the stated stance in regards to tournaments. "The majority of the model(75% or more) must be Citadel products to be considered legal for painting contests, or even playability in official Games Workshop sponsored tournaments", if I remember the exact quote right.

I dont think its up to whitedragon to find it when you are the one that brought the % up.

WarhammerTabletop wrote:Hi fellow dakka members I was just at my local GW talking to my friends about my new guard army im making, I was thinking of using cadians and attaching pig iron heads so I don't have a normal cadian army, a redshirt walked by me and must have overheard and said "Then your not supporting games workshop and we would have to through you out of the store." The redshirt walked of, me and my friends were pissed to here that gw doesn't allow a simple head SWAP just to give some taste to the army. Has this happened to anyone else, and is this a rule for all stores? Also shouldn't we be allowed to do what WE want with OUR money?

When the hell did GW become such Nazi's about model converstions? YOu bought the Cadian models, just not using the heads. I still have old citdel journals that have awesome converstions that were majority GW parts they raved about......


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LunaHound wrote:

I dont think its up to whitedragon to find it when you are the one that brought the % up.

From what I recall, it use to be an old GT rule on model converstion either for golden demons and/or models played in the GT.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I was under the impression you could use alternative heads or other parts as long as a certain majority percentage of the model's makeup was GW?

So you could use a warjack's arm instead of a powerfist on a dreadnought for example?

Perhaps one of the Games Workshop staff who post here could clarify the official position?

the model must be 60% Games Workshop parts unless it is a completely original sculpt.

that Redshirt is a fool. If he gives you a hard time bring it to the store manager. If the store manager is also a knob, go up the food chain and enjoys the lulz when their is a new staff at that store.

May i just point out in a GW hosted Pre Heresy Game diorama they used Maximini Heads!

As if you wouldn't be allowed to. I do it to my vehicles all the time. Only one of my many lemans is 100% GW all the others are kitbashed with tamiya products...

What makes no sense to me is your still buying the heads. When you buy lets say devestaters and want to swap the heads you still paid 45 bucks(?) with the heads in the kit.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Please put down the flog....the Horse isn't so much dead as was never truly alive.

GW have a policy of asking people not to use other Wargames Companies in their stores/events.

GW do not have a policy saying conversions must only contain 100% GW parts.

There is no issue here, beyond a single staff member being a knobend.

Read this.
Read it again.
Read it a third time, or until you realize that this is exactly what is going on.

It is not a GW policy to screw you out with your Pig Iron heads. They'd only enforce that if you were using full Pig Iron bodies, APCs, etc.

I agree that it was bit over the top to ask you to leave, but, technically its not that strange. Imagine your in a subway restaurant and someone brings in a whole lotta McDonalds, so, naturally, the Subway Manager asks you to leave. Its not that strange and i respect GW for protecting their product.

Standards vary from one GW to another. At mine, one ex-staffmember had an old Armorcast Reaver, and nobody batted an eye. Headswaps, too, happen all the time and I've never heard anyone discouraged for them.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Standards vary from one GW to another. At mine, one ex-staffmember had an old Armorcast Reaver, and nobody batted an eye. Headswaps, too, happen all the time and I've never heard anyone discouraged for them.

Wouldn't that because armor cast used to produce minis for GW just like current FW till their contract or w/e ran out? which makes armor cast reaver still a gw product.

generalgrog wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:
It would be most like going to McDonalds, ordering a burger, and then throwing out the pickles they give you and putting pickles you brought from home on it instead, because you like them to be crunchier or something.

NO.. No... no..... completely wrong! As you can't actually see the pickles because they are hidden under the buns, ketchup, etc.

The proper description would be to go into Mcdonalds with a seedless bun that you brought from home and proceed to butcher the quarter pounder, by removing the seeded bun and replacing said seeed bun with the barbaric seedless bun.

GG

yeah...
But you've changed more than 75% of that burger for it to be tournment legal...
I think it's more like scraping off the sesame seeds and replaceing them with poppy seeds...

Panic...

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:One Redshirt is a knobend, and entire company is condemned on his actions!

Well, yes. That's what happens when you let knobends speak for your company, isn't it?

Can someone please explain to me how buying a box of Cadians from GW, and then buying heads from Pig Iron to put on those Cadians, is "not supporting GW"?

It is supporting GW, hence I said the Redshirt was being a knobend.

I appreciate that people being jerks is largely subjective, but this guy really did overstep the mark.

And the Redshirt was not speaking for the company, he was speaking for himself, wishing he was speaking for the company.

When you encounter an injustice like this, fight the system!

Create a protest squad or two of guardsmen. Magnetize your third party heads. When the management says something, remove their heads.

See if they are happier about you playing with a headless army, or with third party heads.

If you do decide to take this route, take pictures!

I've heard that in UK GW tournies, models have to be at least 75% GW. Ie head & arm swaps are OK.
My local GW (Portsmouth) has no problems with me using heads from Pig Iron, West Wind or Max Mini.

WarhammerTabletop wrote:Hi fellow dakka members I was just at my local GW talking to my friends about my new guard army im making, I was thinking of using cadians and attaching pig iron heads so I don't have a normal cadian army, a redshirt walked by me and must have overheard and said "Then your not supporting games workshop and we would have to through you out of the store." The redshirt walked of, me and my friends were pissed to here that gw doesn't allow a simple head SWAP just to give some taste to the army. Has this happened to anyone else, and is this a rule for all stores? Also shouldn't we be allowed to do what WE want with OUR money?

Sigh I see its time to again employ Frazzled Rules of advice #2.
-Get a stick
-Get a nail
-Drive the nail through the end of the stick.
Then you'll know what to do.

Seriously (ok I was serous above to) you do what you want. Its your money. Its your mini. IN GW's defense I've played in GW stores with lots of conversions and pig iron heads is a time honored tradition.

You should feel pity for redshirts, you really should. Like little children, they are so cute when they try to act adult and use the BIG WORDS.

A better idea is to find a non GW store and find a larger universe.



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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And once again for the hard of understanding.

One Staffer being an idiot does not company policy make.

Often it does and did for him.

Warmachine is calling.