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Dastardly Dave wrote:

Not_u wrote:You'll regret saying that if he turns out to be some important loyalist guy who was only quiet to try and preserve himself in order to use his ability to support the wolves the most

Maybe I'd take this seriously if he had made ANY attempt to defend himself or participate more in the game.

However, if he continues to spout unintelligable posts like the one above, I can see only one option.

Joking aside, it's not always the quiet ones. I wouldn't put it past the anti-town to try to lead the crowd. Not like it hasn't happened before, right?

If this is going on, we'll be able to see evidence of it in the next few day phases. In the first phase, it is harder to produce reasonable sounding evidence against townies or scum, and we're odds on for lynching a loyalist anyway.

True, but it's always left until a later day phase and always ends up just a bit too late. We probably can't figure it out this day phase, but should as soon as we can.

Edit: Added in quote as post ended up on the next page.

Dave, seriously. I can't win with "Intelligent posts" or defending myself. I've tried before... each time I keep getting told I'm speaking in tongues. Perhaps its the frequent use of metaphor or colloquialism, I don't know.

Nice post.

Unvote: Gathering Storm
Vote: the_ferrett

Now you have to defend yourself. Do it.

You still haven't told us why you find Orkeo suspiscious, despite it being past your deadline. I'd like to hear it - along with the rest of us.

So would I.

Vote Count 6 - "Love the monocole"

0 - Manchu
1 - Lord of battles (TherVadam)
0 - n0t-u
2 - Arctik_Firangi ( Lord of battles Inquisitor_Syphonious)
0 - Dastardly Dave
1 - Paul Atreides (VikingScott)
0 - VikingScott
0 - TherVadam
0 - Inquisitor_Syphonious
0 - Gathering Storm
0 - Fifty
2 - Orkeosaurus (Manchu Gathering Storm)
3 - the_ferrett (Dastardly Dave Fifty Arctik_Firangi)


Not Voting

n0t-u
Paul Atreides
the_ferrett
Orkeosaurus

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch.

Deadline Countdown

Prodding Paul Atreides

If you would pay attention, you would have seen that I have already rescinded my accusation, and have explained to 'the rest of us' that it is not helpful for me to say why at this time. I have made it clear that I will definitely explain when the time is right.

We are two days from lynch, and I worry that we wil be getting a no lynch vote. I urge everyone to use their votes, and also to vote for someone who could potentially actually be lynched. Right now that looks like either Arctik Firangi, Orkeo or Ferret.

((ooc, I'll mention this while I remember - I will be away at a wedding for the weekend and early part of next week. I should have chances to get online, and won't be leaving until tomorrow lunchtime-ish anyway, but thought I would mention it now))

Arctik_Firangi wrote:If you would pay attention, you would have seen that I have already rescinded my accusation, and have explained to 'the rest of us' that it is not helpful for me to say why at this time. I have made it clear that I will definitely explain when the time is right.

Damnit you have. I apologise for my inattentiveness.

In the past when two players start to argue extensively, one of them has tended to be scum. Right now Dave and A_F are at each other. Just something to keep in mind. Personally, I also would like to know what this info on Orkeo is all about. Dave has a good point there.

Manchu wrote:In the past when two players start to argue extensively, one of them has tended to be scum. Right now Dave and A_F are at each other. Just something to keep in mind. Personally, I also would like to know what this info on Orkeo is all about. Dave has a good point there.

That's an interesting comment, Manchu. What was Dave's good point? How does a request for information followed by an answer constitute an extensive argument?

A better comparison would have been you and Orkeo perhaps.

OK, well at this point, it seems like we are running out of time. I trust Arctik_Firangi (perhaps foolishly) and so I will Vote: Ferrett

Why do you trust him?

Manchu wrote:In the past when two players start to argue extensively, one of them has tended to be scum. Right now Dave and A_F are at each other. Just something to keep in mind. Personally, I also would like to know what this info on Orkeo is all about. Dave has a good point there.

I don't think so. I certainately haven't been under the impression that we've been arguing. I would still like to hear why you suspected Orkeo so much, if only for interests sake.

I'm not sure, to tell you the truth. He was the first to take initiative in my eyes, and I trust him in the same way I trusted IGLannister in the other game (who it turns out was a cultists, but... I mean I can't simply tell my gut to screw itself), and anyway, I'm a simple person, and it's not hard to fool me. The illusion of scum-hunting looks like scum-hunting to me, and so I trust him.

Manchu wrote:I'm willing to build consensus here. I've been throwing votes around like Thor would if he was playing, seeing what sticks and what doesn't. Both people I voted for haven't even bothered to react. Why is that?

If you're talking about me, the problem is I really don't have anything to react to. You said that you don't have a real basis for your accusation, which doesn't leave me with anything to contest. This is also the problem with just declaring that you're going to roll a dice/flip a coin and base your votes off of that; it doesn't necessitate any sort of reaction, you can't argue with chance.

At this point, we know we gotta kill somebody. We have nothing solid to base it on, suspicion-wise. So why not approach it from a different perspective: which player is contributing the least amount of helpful information? which player is not trying to solve the puzzle at all? i.e., which player's death loses the Wolves the least?

The problem with this idea is that it leaves us in a sort of paradox; if there aren't any real leads, how can anyone be more or less helpful than anyone else? Here are my thoughts on it:

1. The sorcerers are primarily looking for the lynch of a wolf on day 1. They would prefer a no-lynch to the lynch of one of them, however.
2. The wolves are just looking to avoid a no-lynch (and to avoid their own deaths, of course), unless there is some character we don't know about that's a little more knowledgeable.

This means that the sorcerers will actually be pro-lynch more often than they will be anti-lynch, because a wolf is more likely to be the target of a random lynching than a sorcerer is. It's something to keep in mind. However, because the lynching of a sorcerer is much better for the wolves than the lynching of a wolf is for the sorcerers, the sorcerers benefit more from a no-lynch than a truly random lynch. Which puts the us in kind of a clutch.

Fifty wrote:We are two days from lynch, and I worry that we wil be getting a no lynch vote. I urge everyone to use their votes, and also to vote for someone who could potentially actually be lynched. Right now that looks like either Arctik Firangi, Orkeo or Ferret.

Honestly, I don't think Ferrett is a sorcerer, but that's mostly a hunch. I won't vote for myself (obviously) and I find it unlikely (but far from impossible) that Arctik would be as aggressive as he is if he wasn't a wolf (plus it's more fun to play when people are more talkative).

I think I will refrain from voting for now. I will vote tomorrow, however, since I think that we do need some sort of lynch.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

1. The sorcerers are primarily looking for the lynch of a wolf on day 1. They would prefer a no-lynch to the lynch of one of them, however.
2. The wolves are just looking to avoid a no-lynch (and to avoid their own deaths, of course), unless there is some character we don't know about that's a little more knowledgeable.

How do you know that they're all sorcerors?

I don't for sure, but sorcerers would logically be the trickiest. I can't see why Magnus would send, say, techmarines, or devastators.

Ah yes, i didn't think of that. :(
Thought i was getting somewhere.

Lol I thought you were getting something too.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't for sure, but sorcerers would logically be the trickiest. I can't see why Magnus would send, say, techmarines, or devastators.

According to Thor, this games was supposed to be simulating the ebb and flow of an epic battle rather than a bunch of people standing around in a room. This hasn't really played out in our roleplaying or otherwise, but the matter of who 'Magnus would send' is an interesting one.

I had ruled you out, for the time being, partially because I figured that the Space Wolves were specifically told that they were Space Wolves. I know this, because I am a Space... Wolves. Admittedly, I've only recently referred to Thor's original signup thread and seen that we were also explicitly informed of this in the main rules: "Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons" in so many words.

Saying 'sorcerer' seems like too obvious a mistake, but on the other hand it is what the 1Ksons essentially were. Their leaders, at least. I'm not convinced at all that this is suspicious, since we don't have a clue as to what the enemy roles are... but since Thor mentioned that there were more town power roles then there are 1Ksons overall, it would make sense that all of the 1ksons have special rules.

In fluff terms, because my memory is terrible, can anyone jog me as to whether or not the Rubric is in effect at the time of the conflict on Prospero? If everyone has special rules... then it would make perfect sense that all of the enemy are sorcerers.

Orkeo, your statement that you don't wish to vote intrigues me... do you literally mean 'tomorrow' in real life, or the following game phase? It would be all to easy for scum to say 'I'll vote at the end', and then conveniently be unable to vote due to 'RL matters'.

Where the hell is that Paul Atreides guy? He hasn't posted in about a week, and hasn't voted either.

Edit: accidentally referred to Orkeo as Thor

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Where the hell is that Paul Atreides guy? He hasn't posted in about a week, and hasn't voted either.

Prodded him at my last post count. If he doesn't respond to me via PM or in thread within 24 hours I'll start looking for a replacement (probably ought to be easy since there's 1-2 people who didn't quite make the cut to join the game). Once I get an affirmative from a replacement Paul would be replaced.

My hope is he just shows up and starts posting though, it's less work for me.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:In fluff terms, because my memory is terrible, can anyone jog me as to whether or not the Rubric is in effect at the time of the conflict on Prospero? If everyone has special rules... then it would make perfect sense that all of the enemy are sorcerers.

The Rubric isn't in effect yet; it was cast by Ahriman after the Thousand Sons were pulled into the warp, and started mutating horrifically.

Honestly, I just never thought of the non-sorcerer Thousand Sons as being very important. Being a bunch sorcerers is their gimmick. The non-sorcerers are just sort of book-alphabetizing filler. I had never considered that we could be up against TSs who weren't actually sorcerers.

Orkeo, your statement that you don't wish to vote intrigues me... do you literally mean 'tomorrow' in real life, or the following game phase?

Tomorrow in real life, probably early on.

It would be all to easy for scum to say 'I'll vote at the end', and then conveniently be unable to vote due to 'RL matters'.

Yeah, if I did that you guys would probably have to lynch me.

Apart from a beautiful, and may I say what a SPLENDID bandwagon you guys have formed (very subtle - 4 votes in a 24 hr period.... manufique.), what am I to defend against? Or is it more that you crave a retalitory vote, something you can hold against me when the time is next right for you all to vote Ferrett....

I do however warn you that lynching me will have unforseen consequences. But good job to you all if you feel I'm guilty.

You also mentioned something about overusing metaphor and colloquialism. Now, other than that you have not actually used a single metaphor, any colloquialism you have been expressing is very, very plain English indeed.

I can only presume that you mean the opposite of what you say.

Then how else do you explain people going "What do you mean" so often?

Arctik_Firangi wrote:
Where the hell is that Paul Atreides guy? He hasn't posted in about a week, and hasn't voted either.

I'm sorry, I just haven't had anything interesting to say, But I assure you that I read the updates of this thread almost every day.

There is very little time left now, but for what it's worth, I'll agree with the ones who vote ferrett, who beside me, probably has contributed the least. Vote: the_ferrett

And if that succeeds, I'll be the one contributing least.

If you blather, you are hiding behind fluff and are scum... and should die.
If you vote, you are being rash and are scum..and should die.
If you don't vote, you are not helping the cause and are scum...and should die.
If you are silent, you are dragging the team down, and are scum...and should die.

THERE IS NO DEFENSE IN THIS GAME. THERE IS ONLY WHO YOU WANT TO DESTROY IN WHAT METHOD.
I am so sorry Not_u.