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The name's Wolfaleruneaxefang! Stop forgetting the ale!

Mead is better than ale

VikingScott wrote:Mead is better than ale

Agreed.

Is it ?

Yeah didn't know if I was supposed to post that or not, so I spoilered it! .

Anyway, I still believe in Arctik_Firangi.

[ooc] @A_F: The Davinite Lodges constituted a secret society of pre-Heresy era Space Marines and was especially influential among the Sons of Horus. The culture of the xeno/post-human Davinites was thoroughly pervaded by the Ruinous Powers and the infiltration of their customs among Space Marines via the Lodges into even the highest echelon of the Warmaster's legion contributed to the eventual fall of nearly all of Horus's Sons. Members of the Lodges would not reveal their affiliation and, when questioned about it (even by their legion brothers), would only answer "I cannot say."[/ooc]

A_F - Why did you get so angry at me when I spoke? If you require my OOC details to give me credence I must surely assure you that your accusations of my youth are greatly exaggerated.

I shall return to my studies while you all bicker, hoping that once someone is eliminated this petty squabbling will cease.

VikingScott wrote:Mead is better than ale

Gathering Storm wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Mead is better than ale

Agreed.

This is a bit of a pirates/ninjas topic. Dark ales are my personal preference. Mead is a nice tasting drink preferred by the girlier of the re-enactors and metalheads I've encountered.

the_ferrett wrote:A_F - Why did you get so angry at me when I spoke? If you require my OOC details to give me credence I must surely assure you that your accusations of my youth are greatly exaggerated.

I shall return to my studies while you all bicker, hoping that once someone is eliminated this petty squabbling will cease.

Provocation! Reaction! Getting you to actually say anything! Who accused you of being a youth? I didn't! You are however, a student, apparently.

That's irrelevant. Sorry for missing out on the 'ale', Orkeo, and since no one seems to find anything odd about the name, I rescind my accusal. I will certainly bring it up later, because it will definitely become relevant in future day phases. It was not because it sounded like a bit of a joke name, but it is related to that fact in a metagame sense.

Unvote: Orkeosaurus

Ferrett, I think you should contribute more. I have half a mind to vote for you, but I've already tried to get a reaction and it was less than I expected. So I'm putting it out there. What was the deal with your first post, anyway? The *headdesks* emote?

I also think that Lord_Syphonius should elaborate more on his reason for voting for me, and spell my handle correctly if he chooses to use it.
'Syph' (I used to live with a guy named Syph... ), lord of battles should be allowed to post in a roleplaying style if he chooses - many of us did and often do in these games - and I don't see how that is a good reason to accuse him. I see what you're trying to say, but I don't see his post as suspect and ultimately we're going to need to convince each other to vote for one guy if we are to have any control in this situation... your further input is appreciated.

This vote - my original - is also essentially 'random' and based on a thin premise, but it has a psychological foundation and it's the best I have to go off.
Vote: Gathering Storm

EDIT: Oh, and thanks Manchu... but what book/where is it from?

Vote Count 5 - "The conversation is like something in YMDC"

0 - Manchu
1 - Lord of battles (TherVadam)
0 - n0t-u
3 - Arctik_Firangi ( Orkeosaurus Lord of battles Inquisitor_Syphonious)
0 - Dastardly Dave
1 - Paul Atreides (VikingScott)
0 - VikingScott
0 - TherVadam
0 - Inquisitor_Syphonious
2 - Gathering Storm (Manchu Arctik_Firangi)
0 - Fifty
1 - Orkeosaurus ( Gathering Storm)
1 - the_ferrett (Dastardly Dave)


Not Voting

Fifty
n0t-u
Paul Atreides
the_ferrett

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch.

Deadline Countdown

This is gonna end in a no lynch.
Not good.
Alright. People voting forArtick_Firangi. Why?

Arctick_Firangi wrote:That's irrelevant. Sorry for missing out on the 'ale', Orkeo, and since no one seems to find anything odd about the name, I rescind my accusal. I will certainly bring it up later, because it will definitely become relevant in future day phases. It was not because it sounded like a bit of a joke name, but it is related to that fact in a metagame sense.

Is this discovery beneficial to the loyalists? Should probably share your thoughts on this a bit more. I remember what happened last time someone seemed to be running an "experiment" in one of these games.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Dark ales are my personal preference. Mead is a nice tasting drink preferred by the girlier of the re-enactors and metalheads I've encountered.

Unvote: Arctik_Firangi


We will, however, need to eliminate someone fairly soon, and we don't have many leads to go on at present.

I'll say it once, I'll say it twice.... I end up saying it a million times, first day for me is always the least favourite as it ALWAYS has no proof, no suspicion ad instead has a bunch of egos put in a room for fun. And it aint fun. The headdesk was because it had started... the ego throwing.

And the reason I don't vote first day is because of a little event we all like to call "The experiment". Look up previous games if ya unsure.

You pretty much have to vote first day this time though, as if we are going to lynch anyone there has to be 7 people voting. (OOC: I'm not so sure if this was a good idea for the first day Thor. You probably have your reasons though). Let me reiterate this point from earlier mafia games - Not lynching someone 1st day is BAD. It means we go almost nowhere evidence wise, and it means we have one less townie to help. I still stand by my point that we should lynch the quiet ones first, and not the ones who are being useful. It means we have more evidence to go on and that's what we need in the early stages of the game.

Also, what is this 'Experiment' you 'all' like to use? Is it where you don't talk much and stay away from voting to watch everyone else? That's the only thing I noticed in previous games and it only served to get you lynched by day 3 anyway for not talking much.

For these reasons, I will stand by my vote, unless it is apparant that only my vote will lynch someone this day phase. Any lynch is better than no lynch at all. For now though, I urge others to join me Voting for the Ferret, for the reasons I stated before in this post, and in the ones on page 4 of this thread. We have almost no evidence to go on right now, so we may as well get rid of the one who isn't helping.

(OOC: @Not_u: I lol'd at the whole monacle drop thing. Maybe you should put the monacle on the ground by Wall-E, or even write 'Indeed' somewhere in your avatar.)

the_ferrett wrote:And the reason I don't vote first day is because of a little event we all like to call "The experiment". Look up previous games if ya unsure.

So you are being useless. What use do you intend to serve in future phases?

I am by no means conducting an 'experiment' - I'll have to go through the other games and find what you mean. I know one thing, though - the last game I was in, a certain piece of scum tried very hard to be unconstructive in the first day phas... Oh, hi Manchu!

My idea is of no use to you this day phase, and can hurt no one but myself in choosing not to reveal it. On the other hand, I presume to be a loyalist, and hence my loss is by inference yours. I personally have no fear of this situation - tomorrow I'm either dead or alive, and if there's anything I agree with the_ferrett about, it's that the first phase can be a pain.

I talked a bunch in two games and was one of the first people to get killed both times. One of those times I was town and the other I was scum. On both occasions, people who were not very talkative (Orkeosaurus) lived for a long time. (One of the times he was town and the other he was scum.)

So I learned two things:

(1) Talking a little or a lot doesn't make it more or less likely that you are scum or town.

BUT

(2) Talking a lot can easily get you killed, no matter if you're scum or town.

Notice how A_F, who was the most verbose, has had so many votes against him up until now.

Keeping these things in mind, I unvote: Gathering Storm and vote: Orkeosaurus. Is it based on sound logic? Nope. I don't have any other reason or evidence than the faulty assumption you can clearly deduce from this post so don't bother asking.

I'm not painting a target on my back by having big arguments this time.

Manchu wrote:I talked a bunch in two games and was one of the first people to get killed both times. One of those times I was town and the other I was scum. On both occasions, people who were not very talkative (Orkeosaurus) lived for a long time. (One of the times he was town and the other he was scum.)

So I learned two things:

(1) Talking a little or a lot doesn't make it more or less likely that you are scum or town.

BUT

(2) Talking a lot can easily get you killed, no matter if you're scum or town.

Notice how A_F, who was the most verbose, has had so many votes against him up until now.

Keeping these things in mind, I unvote: Gathering Storm and vote: Orkeosaurus. Is it based on sound logic? Nope. I don't have any other reason or evidence than the faulty assumption you can clearly deduce from this post so don't bother asking.

I'm not painting a target on my back by having big arguments this time.

You will concede though that in many games (I think including those two) as it gets further on into the game it becomes far easier for the Scum team to scapegoat the quieter players - usually resulting in a Scum victory - unless the quiet players are scum themselves.

True but also talking too little can just as easily get you killed as talking too much.


As for my vote, I guess I'll use it to try to pressure an answer out of Arctik.
Vote: Arctik
Care to share the name thing, as trivial as it sounds it can possibly be helpful.

OOC: @Dave: Instead I crappily added a Champaign Glass which I'm already considering removing. Lost the original pic so I have to edit the already resized one >_>

OCC: Love the monocle, the champaign not so much.

I'm simply not contributing too much since last time... three people wanted mod-suicides because it was so gassy. :p

My vote stands until/unless something more suspicious pops up.

As I said, I am inclined to vote for the quieter players. This is something I have done in previous games. I have also voted for The_Ferret at least once, maybe twice in the past, and I am pretty sure he was town both times. I figure if I keep voting for him then eventually he will be scum.

Also, I once voted for Dave unfairly, so this makes up for it a little. Although that contradicts my point about Ferret, I don't care. :p

vote: Ferret

I won't be pressured. I was already leading votes and another makes no difference. I can assure you that the matter is trivial - specifically trivial to this game. Hence, it is relevant, and I'm sure the scum knows why.
There is currently no advantage for anyone in my saying now - I only had inference and assumption to go on before.

I realize this will be like putting the noose around my neck but killing off A_F on turn one seems utterly stupid. I agree that every no-lynch day is a point for the scum but I'm not convinced that A_F would have stretched his neck out this far with so much chatter if it really belonged to a traitor. I obviously can't rule him out. Like every other actual Space Wolf, the only thing I currently know is that I'm not scum. (But I may know more come the next day.) Even so, my gut tells me I need to see more from A_F.

At this point, we know we gotta kill somebody. We have nothing solid to base it on, suspicion-wise. So why not approach it from a different perspective: which player is contributing the least amount of helpful information? which player is not trying to solve the puzzle at all? i.e., which player's death loses the Wolves the least?

I'm willing to build consensus here. I've been throwing votes around like Thor would if he was playing, seeing what sticks and what doesn't. Both people I voted for haven't even bothered to react. Why is that?

Good enough I guess.
Unvote Arctik

I'll agree with Gathering Storm looking suspicious for not responding to the vote, but I doubt there's been enough time for Orkeo to reply. Your vote is also kind of hidden in some text which might be another reason.

So then out of the ones with the most votes at the moment, which would be the smallest loss for the Wolves?

We have 2 days, 10 hours, 2 minutes to figure this out.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:If I get up to five votes, or when we're down to four days (approx fifty-four hours from time of this post), I'll stop holding back on Orkeo.

Time's up. Spill it. In at least 4 re-reads I've yet to find anything that isn't more than a RVS RP post that combines RPing with good ol' codex bashing. As such I'd like to see what you think makes it so damning.

Manchu wrote:I realize this will be like putting the noose around my neck but killing off A_F on turn one seems utterly stupid. I agree that every no-lynch day is a point for the scum but I'm not convinced that A_F would have stretched his neck out this far with so much chatter if it really belonged to a traitor. I obviously can't rule him out. Like every other actual Space Wolf, the only thing I currently know is that I'm not scum. (But I may know more come the next day.) Even so, my gut tells me I need to see more from A_F.

I agree. Lynching the one who seems to be helping most when we have no evidence to go on seems to be futile and idiotic (no offence to those who have voted for A_F) On the flip side of course, he could be stalling with this 'information' about Orkeo just so we hold off lynching him for a day.

At this point, we know we gotta kill somebody. We have nothing solid to base it on, suspicion-wise. So why not approach it from a different perspective: which player is contributing the least amount of helpful information? which player is not trying to solve the puzzle at all? i.e., which player's death loses the Wolves the least?

*Cough* The_Ferret. */cough*
I've been telling people this since page 3 - This is BY FAR the best route to go on day 1 when we have to reach a consensus or otherwise lynch no-one.

You'll regret saying that if he turns out to be some important loyalist guy who was only quiet to try and preserve himself in order to use his ability to support the wolves the most

Joking asside, it's not always the quiet ones. I wouldn't put it past the anti-town to try to lead the crowd. Not like it hasn't happened before, right?

I guess what we do now is wait for A_F's thoughts like he promised because we really don't have much else to go on at the moment. For all we know Dave here could be the ringleader of the whole Thousand Son's plan.

So Arctik, what colour is your armour?
Grey, grey-blue, blue or red?

If I was town.... what would I do?
Well naturally I'd defend someone (As I did last time I was scum ) make them feel all important like, then I'd subtly hint that the person they were voting for was the right one.

Really there's nothing anyone can do in phase one to prove if they're town or anti-town. Some would remember my role as an Inquisitor in another game (my opening post involved me revealing the role by breaking down a door and being as unsubtle as possible ), still not everyone believed it was true. In the end the proof if one is town or anti-town is entirely subjective and up to who ever is reading to figure out.

Basically you can't prove you're town or anti-town without being killed first, which at that point it doesn't really matter anymore. Atleast in the first day.

Not_u wrote:You'll regret saying that if he turns out to be some important loyalist guy who was only quiet to try and preserve himself in order to use his ability to support the wolves the most

Maybe I'd take this seriously if he had made ANY attempt to defend himself or participate more in the game.

However, if he continues to spout unintelligable posts like the one above, I can see only one option.

Joking aside, it's not always the quiet ones. I wouldn't put it past the anti-town to try to lead the crowd. Not like it hasn't happened before, right?

If this is going on, we'll be able to see evidence of it in the next few day phases. In the first phase, it is harder to produce reasonable sounding evidence against townies or scum, and we're odds on for lynching a loyalist anyway.