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I am so glad I have an Orc and Goblins army. Now I have an excuse to buy that uberspider. And the Savage Orc Boyz are just fantastic, as well as being rather decently priced (the Boarboyz are really cheap compared to 40k bikes, despite having roughly the same amount of plastic).

You think I could do a whole Feral Orks 40k Army? I know everything has to be rebased (except the spider, since that thing looks GIGANTIC) but the Spider could be a Battle Wagon, Boarboyz for Warbikers, Black Orcs for Nobz, and so on.

ImperialTard wrote:When I read your first post my brain nearly shut down at seeing you post something not incredibly cynical. Glad you mulled it over and maintained the status quo.

No problem 'Tard.






Wow... that joke kinda wrote itself.

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:You could just borrow the rulebook from a friend, and handcopy the rules that you need into Microsoft word, then just print it out, then you don't have to pay for it. Or you could try breaking and entering, grabbing the army book, madly scribbling the rules down in a notebook by the light of a flashlight, putting the book back, the leaving. Still don't have to pay, and it looks nice and bland enough to satisfy the gamer in you.

The hyperbole really isn't needed or helpful...

aka_mythos wrote:

carmachu wrote:You can of course try and justify the new price in hardcover. But the fact is folks are saying $30 was their limit. Giving them things like "hardcover" or more recycled art or heavy metal pictures to bump the page count isnt what they want.....wont justify the new price to some. Or many.

The worlds not fair. If $30 truly is a persons limit, they should probably have questioned to themselves getting into a hobby where they were putting themselve on the brink of impoverishment to play. Whether a person decides to continue their hobby is their personal choice. The product by all rational: material, effort, and design is worth $37... it only stands to be seen if it truly is worth that to the individual. This like all of Games Workshop products is a luxury item, that we all can go on living without. So those who think its worth it will have, and those who don't won't. This is how the world works.

No offense, but your logic is slowed. I didnt say the $30 limit was due to "the brink of impovishment" or any nonsense. People have a limit for what they will pay for items and consider fair.

I have the money to buy a $37 hardcover O&G book. There is no way this side of hell I will. Its NOT WORTH THE MONEY they want to charge for the book. It is NOT WORTH $37 to me. No army book or codex is from GW. $25 is my limit of what I consider them worth buying. Beyond that, I wont spend my money on it. I can afford to do so, but given GW's track record of quality and such in printed form, no way, no how is it worth $37. hardcover, color or page count.

They should have released 1 big book with all the rules for all the armies, no fluff, no fiction practically no pictures just the raw rules, special rules, items etc


Then release individual books on armies with fluff, painting guides, artwork, stories etc

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
@Fullheadofhair: I am mostly just annoyed that you and others seem to take it all totally for granted. It is annoying as those of us who get excited about it have to deal with party-poopers.

_Tim?

How am I taking for granted something I don't want or want to pay for. Shouldn't I be annoyed that your requirements for more pictures and stories is potentially costing me more money when I am perfectly happy with the status quo. Two sides to the same hobby. Mind you, your logic in this thread reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon making a comment about infinity monkeys and infinity time to produce works of shakespeare - to paraphrase, "your comment; 3 monkeys - 10 minutes"

carmachu wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

carmachu wrote:You can of course try and justify the new price in hardcover. But the fact is folks are saying $30 was their limit. Giving them things like "hardcover" or more recycled art or heavy metal pictures to bump the page count isnt what they want.....wont justify the new price to some. Or many.

The worlds not fair. If $30 truly is a persons limit, they should probably have questioned to themselves getting into a hobby where they were putting themselve on the brink of impoverishment to play. Whether a person decides to continue their hobby is their personal choice. The product by all rational: material, effort, and design is worth $37... it only stands to be seen if it truly is worth that to the individual. This like all of Games Workshop products is a luxury item, that we all can go on living without. So those who think its worth it will have, and those who don't won't. This is how the world works.

No offense, but your logic is slowed. I didnt say the $30 limit was due to "the brink of impovishment" or any nonsense. People have a limit for what they will pay for items and consider fair.

I have the money to buy a $37 hardcover O&G book. There is no way this side of hell I will. Its NOT WORTH THE MONEY they want to charge for the book. It is NOT WORTH $37 to me. No army book or codex is from GW. $25 is my limit of what I consider them worth buying. Beyond that, I wont spend my money on it. I can afford to do so, but given GW's track record of quality and such in printed form, no way, no how is it worth $37. hardcover, color or page count.

I think the price is so hefty cause of the VAT Increase that happend this year, they are simply putting up all the prices on all their products its unavoidable

yevix wrote:
I think the price is so hefty cause of the VAT Increase that happend this year, they are simply putting up all the prices on all their products its unavoidable

I am afraid that is just not true. Even though flag is US I am English and I used to do VAT for Kraft Foods (i.e I understand how VAT works) and how pricing is decided in a retail operation.With regard to the US, there is no VAT and infact, in some states there is sales tax to add to this - unlike VAT sales tax is added at the till as the customer pays. For me, with sales tax, the book is closer to $41.

@fullheadofhair
You don't want a hardbound book with plenty of pictures, apparently good rules, and new content and fluff for a fair price of 37$, what do you want?
A cheaper price isn't a good answer.

fullheadofhair wrote:

yevix wrote:
I think the price is so hefty cause of the VAT Increase that happend this year, they are simply putting up all the prices on all their products its unavoidable

I am afraid that is just not true. Even though flag is US I am English and I used to do VAT for Kraft Foods (i.e I understand how VAT works) and how pricing is decided in a retail operation.With regard to the US, there is no VAT and infact, in some states there is sales tax to add to this - unlike VAT sales tax is added at the till as the customer pays. For me, with sales tax, the book is closer to $41.

DAMN YOU GW honestly I think it comes with the territory gw is always going to be expensive - its funny I remember a WD article about using more plastic models and them saying "we are trying too make things cheaper" and yet prices are only going up




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Mewiththeface wrote:@fullheadofhair
You don't want a hardbound book with plenty of pictures, apparently good rules, and new content and fluff for a fair price of 37$, what do you want?
A cheaper price isn't a good answer.

maybe less focus on pictures and artwork and fluff that doesn't make sense most of the time and more on rules paint guides etc...

I can see his point not everyone cares about the fluff or artwork (I certainly dont care is its black and white or color) some just want a good tabletop game...


like I said in my previous post, release 1 huge book with all the rules for all the armies (basic rules for everything) then release individual books on each race...

so lets say the main book with all the races costs £60, sure its expensive but you get all the rules then each army book costing £20 with fluff artwork etc but no rules

H.B.M.C. wrote:

ImperialTard wrote:When I read your first post my brain nearly shut down at seeing you post something not incredibly cynical. Glad you mulled it over and maintained the status quo.

No problem 'Tard.






Wow... that joke kinda wrote itself.

If only there was a "like" button as on Facebook then I could give this post the public consideration it deserves.

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:You could just borrow the rulebook from a friend, and handcopy the rules that you need into Microsoft word, then just print it out, then you don't have to pay for it. Or you could try breaking and entering, grabbing the army book, madly scribbling the rules down in a notebook by the light of a flashlight, putting the book back, the leaving. Still don't have to pay, and it looks nice and bland enough to satisfy the gamer in you.

_Tim?

I neither have difficulty paying for something nor object to it. If you had read my previous posts you would have learned that I wouldn't mind paying full price for what I desire, just the rules so I don't have to go searching through 80 pages of fluff, painting guides and pictures to find the rule I'm looking for. *sigh* I suppose I'll just have to continue photocopying the parts I need, after I buy the book of course, but I would much prefer the books to be along the lines of D&D books, content heavy and art light.

Mewiththeface wrote:@fullheadofhair
You don't want a hardbound book with plenty of pictures, apparently good rules, and new content and fluff for a fair price of 37$, what do you want?
A cheaper price isn't a good answer.

I want a softcover book with apparently good rules and comparable content and fluff. 112 pages isn't that much more than a typical army book. I don't need hardcover or brightly colored borders on the pages to capture my attention, I'm perfectly happy with the few pages of colored pictures of the models currently found in army books.

IF they were to add more rules/more fluff, maybe army specific game variants (think of the Battle Missions book and take an army's section out and toss it into the army book) then I would be happy to pay $40 for an army book, hard or soft cover. As it stands this is a 25% price hike and all I'm getting is a book that's hardcover as opposed to softcover.

yevix wrote:They should have released 1 big book with all the rules for all the armies, no fluff, no fiction practically no pictures just the raw rules, special rules, items etc


Then release individual books on armies with fluff, painting guides, artwork, stories etc

D&D 4th edition did this with their essentials series, I think.

I love the spider, but the wife would probably smash it with something heavy...

Pretty awesome stuff.

I already ordered the book and the magic cards, even though I don't play O+G's I want them regardless. I like the fluff and knowing an opponents rules/spells and such. Looking forward to seeing how well done the book is. I personally dig what I see so far.

Hmmm... I've seen a few fellow Canadians mention the new Orc & Goblin stuff, but none have mentioned the army book price yet. Kind of funny that our dollar is slightly over par with the American Dollar, is 0.62 pounds English, but:

US book price: $37.25
Canadian book price: $44.75

Really? are we really going back to this style of GW pricing?

No... no thanks, even though I have a huge O&G army, I think I'll pass...


-Vilegrimm

I am thrilled it is in hardcover. Gets rid of the riffraff playing the game, and classes up the local gaming scene.

I do appreciate all of the business advice in this thread. In lieu of an MBA, I am going to collate all of the comments about GW's business practices in this, and similar, threads into Microsoft Word and submit it as my thesis. I smell a publishable article.

The spider looks great, and I love the cover art. I don't collect O&G, but I'll at least get the book.

dienekes96 wrote:I am thrilled it is in hardcover. Gets rid of the riffraff playing the game, and classes up the local gaming scene.

You heard it here first, folks!

Warhammer now requires an obligatory monocle! And top hat!

dienekes96 wrote:I do appreciate all of the business advice in this thread. In lieu of an MBA, I am going to collate all of the comments about GW's business practices in this, and similar, threads into Microsoft Word and submit it as my thesis. I smell a publishable article.

+1

Seriously, can a "like" button or a rep system would be sweet for when people give us quality comments like this.

dienekes96 wrote:I am thrilled it is in hardcover. Gets rid of the riffraff playing the game, and classes up the local gaming scene.

+1

Hopefully all books become hardcover so that the gutter trash that smell like ashtrays will never again plague the play area. They can take their pdf army books and hodge-podge of minis and play behind the Taco Bell dumpster.

Vilegrimm wrote:Hmmm... I've seen a few fellow Canadians mention the new Orc & Goblin stuff, but none have mentioned the army book price yet. Kind of funny that our dollar is slightly over par with the American Dollar, is 0.62 pounds English, but:

US book price: $37.25
Canadian book price: $44.75

Really? are we really going back to this style of GW pricing?

No... no thanks, even though I have a huge O&G army, I think I'll pass...


-Vilegrimm

Or you could order it from Maelstrom, which is at 20.25 GBP, which exchanges to $32CAD.

Blokus wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:I am thrilled it is in hardcover. Gets rid of the riffraff playing the game, and classes up the local gaming scene.

+1

Hopefully all books become hardcover so that the gutter trash that smell like ashtrays will never again plague the play area. They can take their pdf army books and hodge-podge of minis and play behind the Taco Bell dumpster.

Is there some hidden prejudice going behind the scenes in the miniature world that I am not aware of.

Owning books is so much better then pdf files, my fav moment was reading the White Dwarf story of how Archaon became the everchosen whilst taking a dump, good days, good times

Blokus wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:I am thrilled it is in hardcover. Gets rid of the riffraff playing the game, and classes up the local gaming scene.

+1

Hopefully all books become hardcover so that the gutter trash that smell like ashtrays will never again plague the play area. They can take their pdf army books and hodge-podge of minis and play behind the Taco Bell dumpster.

Lmao, what a difference $10,- makes!





I noticed, btw, that the entire spider only seems to be attached to the base by the two hind leg tips touching the tree stumps, and two of the side legs barely touching the sides of the base. They only seem to touch the skulls which are on the edge of the base actually.

Just look at the picture from the front. I guess it will work, but looking at it's potential instability still makes be sort of uncomfortable.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900159a

this angle looks so much better


I think gw has 1 good thing going for it, they make some of the best (and cheap compared to forgeworld) large kit models, this spider is superb already pre ordered it

For some reason I can't help but wonder if these are the final prices. Call me a cynic, but after the surprise "increases" from the time pre-orders go up to actual pricing on release of several kits over the last two years or so, I always take these prices as adjustable.

augustus5 wrote:

Mewiththeface wrote:@fullheadofhair
You don't want a hardbound book with plenty of pictures, apparently good rules, and new content and fluff for a fair price of 37$, what do you want?
A cheaper price isn't a good answer.

I want a softcover book with apparently good rules and comparable content and fluff. 112 pages isn't that much more than a typical army book. I don't need hardcover or brightly colored borders on the pages to capture my attention, I'm perfectly happy with the few pages of colored pictures of the models currently found in army books.

IF they were to add more rules/more fluff, maybe army specific game variants (think of the Battle Missions book and take an army's section out and toss it into the army book) then I would be happy to pay $40 for an army book, hard or soft cover. As it stands this is a 25% price hike and all I'm getting is a book that's hardcover as opposed to softcover.

Exactly. I was quite happy with the product I was getting although the organization in the book was a bt hit and miss. The price point was ideal for what I wanted but I would have liked it thinner with less crappy stories that are frequently just poorly written. Extra pictures of painted models is not a selling point for me so the points raised by 'face are irrelevent to me - hardback is no biggy either. All this does is raise the cost for me.

Any rumors as to stats? Only, stat-wise, I have been getting a distinct "Beastmen" feel, as on Warseer, I have been reading rumors that Black Orcs are not gonna be much better than they are now, the WAAAGH! spell is gone, Boyz are a point more(though they may be base strength 4 now) and the Big'uns upgrade is finally 2 points cheaper. Also, we are only supposed to be getting 8 magic items!! Really hope it does not go the way of the 7th edition army book, with GW changing things is the rulebook, then not applying same changes to the other army books, thus making orcs bottom of the pile, once again.

_Tim?

just for reference, the base is three times the size of a stegadon base.

yevix wrote: this angle looks so much better


I think gw has 1 good thing going for it, they make some of the best (and cheap compared to forgeworld) large kit models, this spider is superb already pre ordered it

I don't know if anyone knows this or not - but are the howdah and goblins removable as in can I just have the spider and annoying WHFB bits on it???

If so, I have just found a base model for a Tyrannofex and Tervigon.

RiTides wrote:

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:You could just borrow the rulebook from a friend, and handcopy the rules that you need into Microsoft word, then just print it out, then you don't have to pay for it. Or you could try breaking and entering, grabbing the army book, madly scribbling the rules down in a notebook by the light of a flashlight, putting the book back, the leaving. Still don't have to pay, and it looks nice and bland enough to satisfy the gamer in you.

The hyperbole really isn't needed or helpful...

Sorry, RiTides, I let my emotions get the best of me!

_Tim?