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Speaking of swastikas... iirc they were a symbol of luck before Hitler saw one in a church (oh the irony) and decided he wanted to use it to represent his "empire"

Good looking army figured it would get 6 pages of attention haha very well painted sir nor really offensive


Native Americans had swastikas all over there stuff it was a symbol of luck and i believe the sun ... I am pretty sure a few Asian cultures have them sprinkled about.
I have a Coca Cola bottle opener from the early 1920-30's with a swastika on it that says GOOD LUCK ENJOY COCA COLA

willydstyle wrote:

Iranna wrote:Why would it bug people? The death korps of Kreig have a very heavy Germanic feel to them, that doesn't bother people (that I know of?).

So a WWII army of any kind shouldn't bother anyone: they're your models do with tham what you wish, as long as you're pleased then that's all that should matter.

Still I do see where you're coming from and what you're getting at, perhaps I'm too liberal for my own good...

Iranna.

If you want to play 40k, stick with a theme that fits in the universe. Like I sad before, the existence of the Death Korps is not a reason to *play* real-life themed armies, it's a more suitable alternative. If you want to play a WWII army play flames of war.

I think theming an army on what you want was the point of the game and the creative side of making an army, to what you want that fits the rules was part of it. I would happily see such work put to good use on game table. The fact that its based on a ww2 army (that lost by the way) Is niether here or there. I know my space marine chapter is based on the coulors of the modern british army amd no one seems to care.

Great looking army!!!

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Good looking army figured it would get 6 pages of attention haha very well painted sir nor really offensive


Native Americans had swastikas all over there stuff it was a symbol of luck and i believe the sun ... I am pretty sure a few Asian cultures have them sprinkled about.
I have a Coca Cola bottle opener from the early 1920-30's with a swastika on it that says GOOD LUCK ENJOY COCA COLA

It's worth noting that the arms of the traditional swastika faced the other way to the Nazi swastika.

the danish beer company carlsberg used swastika before ww2 and there still one on the elefant at thier place here in denmark its so widely used really just wiki it

DODcrazy wrote:Consider that the following comes from a proud American who isn't a fan of Nazi stuff at all: There's a difference between the German Army and the Nazis/SS in ww2. The lines are often blurred and it isn't a good thing because most of the guys in the German army were simply doing their civic duty just like anyone else who serves their country. I do not see any swasticas, SS symbols, or the like; and therefor there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the army posted above. Before anyone starts saying ANYTHING against this thread also consider the disgusting furry crap that has been posted on here in the past few months (I think we all know that ridiculous thread).

That being said, the army is very well painted, and I think you did a great job capturing both the german army and video game inspirations that it has.

What ridiculous thread? (being serious here)

Nice army as well I really like the sentinels.


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Skycrawler wrote:Speaking of swastikas... iirc they were a symbol of luck before Hitler saw one in a church (oh the irony) and decided he wanted to use it to represent his "empire"

Yes they were (if I remember my X-files correctly) it was the Aztec symbol of luck.

Also if I was to start an IG army, I would make mine colonial marines and paint sentinels into AT-ST's because that would be cool (I wonder...)

There is a massive temple in India that has a swastika mosaic on it's floor that is hundreds of square feet in area. Its original status as a good luck symbol predates any evil connotations it currently has, although unfortunately it will be forever associated with a particularly evil movement & man.

I don't think it was know as a swastika before Hitler chose it to represent his 'dream'. I'm not sure though..... In any case it makes very little difference here. The army still looks good.....

punkow wrote:this thread is becoming ridiculous and pointless... nobody is talking about the OP's army...and after seeing idiots saying crap like " not everything in Nazi Germany was wrong... WW2 improved the technology..." I wish MODquisition will act swiftly and without mercy

Yes, perhaps they could cull the communist imagery on this board too.




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Just looked at the army pics again and nice job on the eagle of the tank turret. Didn't notice that before. Also, could we see a pic of the banner bearer and commissar(?) please?

Those snipers must be reeeeaaal stealthy.

I would love to play against this army with a Marine army painted like 1940's GIs.

While seeing a Nazi IG army usually makes me cringe, I'm glad you used the Iron Cross and color scheme, rather than just plastering swastikas everywhere. I also like that you have the Red Skull in your army. I figure any Nazi-esque army led by a supervillain isn't being taken completely seriously and shouldn't be a real problem.

As for your actual painting quality, much of it is good. Your camo on the fallschmirjagers looks good, and the vehicles look alright. However, it bugs the hell out of me that your skin is so unfinished. In one of the early pictures, you have an officer with white eyes standing in front of a bunch of listless troopers. If you were just to hit those faces up with a wash and paint the eyes black or white you'd have a squad that looked much better. A lot of this just doesn't look complete. However, some aspects look pretty good. Keep working at it.

willydstyle wrote:It's funny, because I haven't actually seen anyone in the thread claim to be offended by the army. I have seen a lot of people be offended by the idea that someone else *might* be offended, however

Which is JUST as annoying...

Thumbs up to a well painted army.

Thumbs down to everyone discussing the politics, morality and ethics of the paint job.

-Edited by insaniak. Being deliberately offensive to stir a reaction is a great way to earn a break from the forum...-
awsome army man, the Valkyrie could look almost like a WW2 plane. it also reminds me of the song ride of the Valkyrie's, witch i think i a German composition?
but yeah the armies pretty well painted, and there is no offensive stuff.as far as i can see this thread is an argument over people not being offended? oh and the inherent nazisum in gw?LOL

happygolucky wrote:
What ridiculous thread? (being serious here)

This one http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/209735.page
Or this one, surely? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/209982.page

htj wrote:

LordDeth wrote:

htj wrote:In the shot of the Panzer Elite, the left hand shoulder pad of the power fist officer. I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but I like games.

actually i forgot about that guy i was planning on getting rid of that. I was referring to the command chimera behind him that everyone has failed to notice haha

Ha, brilliant! Even knowing where it was it took me ages to find it! Stealth swastikas... the deadliest swastikas of all.

I still can't find it . . Can someone point it out & put me out of my misery

It's the chimera with the black stripes outlined in red. You need to look at the pic of the whole army to see it. The black with red is the swastika and it covers the whole top of the chimera. It is however the other way around to the one used by the nazis.

htj wrote:

It's worth noting that the arms of the traditional swastika faced the other way to the Nazi swastika.

This is actually a popular misconception. If this thread was about swastikas it would even matter.

The army is well painted and the red skull made me laugh. You probably could have stuck with the repeated Aquila imagery and just used a whermacht paint scheme. Overall I like it, it fits quite well into the less than subtle historical references made in the 40k universe.

Nicely painted army.

Now, why are so many here dribbling on about Nazis? You play games with toys set in an imaginery universe 40000 years in the future. In that setting the populace of "friendly" planets worship a decaying corpse, every surface is covered in skull iconography, ANYTHING "foreign" is likely to be severely dealt with by an "inquisition" with power of life & death over everyone, etc etc.

You complain, in this and similar threads, of buyers painting models to a theme you dislike. Perhaps your ire should be directed against GW's design team, writers and sculptors?

Look at the imagery in SM/WH/IG ( let alone Chaos), and I'm fairly certain that any half competent psychiatrist would lable the writer/artist/sculptor as dangerously disturbed.

Getting upset over Nazis is a bit pathetic in its own right: unless you were there at the time, it doesn't matter, you may as well rail against the now-peaceful Tibetans for sending Mongol hordes on a wrecking spree across half the planet.

Lastly, as a student of imagery, few notice nor point out that against the Nazis' use of an inverted swastika, the western allies used a white star---usually reduced to a pentagram! ergo all US/Brit/French/ etc lookalike toy soldiers are witches and must be burnt.....?

Now, show me some SM with back banners done up as Orange Order, or Trades Union banners, and I'll start to worry.

Nice army. But I think you need to use a different name for it...

I like the Red Skull as your officer, the propaganda-flag snipers, the brawny mechanic from Raiders of the Lost Ark, and the hilariously overwrought expression on the saluting flagbearer. That really makes it clear that this is a "cartoony" army. Plus, how often do you get to say that you killed Hitler (or Hilter) in your last game? I'd play against this army any day, I think it's funny and the "joke" elements of the force make it clear that you're not actually supporting the Nazis.

Fetterkey wrote:I like the Red Skull as your officer, the propaganda-flag snipers, the brawny mechanic from Raiders of the Lost Ark, and the hilariously overwrought expression on the saluting flagbearer. That really makes it clear that this is a "cartoony" army. Plus, how often do you get to say that you killed Hitler (or Hilter) in your last game? I'd play against this army any day, I think it's funny and the "joke" elements of the force make it clear that you're not actually supporting the Nazis.

Im Glad someone gets it. Funny you should say that cause my hilter model never died until i faced my friend with his soviet valhallan conscript army. lol

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happygolucky wrote:
What ridiculous thread? (being serious here)

This one http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/209735.page
Or this one, surely? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/209982.page

htj wrote:

LordDeth wrote:

htj wrote:In the shot of the Panzer Elite, the left hand shoulder pad of the power fist officer. I know I said I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but I like games.

actually i forgot about that guy i was planning on getting rid of that. I was referring to the command chimera behind him that everyone has failed to notice haha

Ha, brilliant! Even knowing where it was it took me ages to find it! Stealth swastikas... the deadliest swastikas of all.

I still can't find it . . Can someone point it out & put me out of my misery

Cheers

I like the red capes on the snipers, they remind me of the emperor's bodyguard in star wars

Im offended that he didn't include swastikas. Go big or go home. Who cares if is an entirely Nazi force. The imperium is basically a Nazi regime or at least Nazi inspired regime. Everybody seems to forget that part though. Even with more Nazi stuff within the scheme, as someone above mentioned, it is still clearly cartoonish and would be great fun to say "I killed Hitler last game." Or, "Damnit, Hitler's leafblower owned me!!" This is a game, who really cares why he did it as long as it was done well.

Yeah to be honest bro i couldnt care less if you nazi symbols, my sensibilities arnt so weak as to be offended. And to be honest nazi uniforms and symbology is bad ass. I like your army very nice. At the end of the day Haters gonna hate because there lives are empty and they need somethign to whinge about to furfill it.

I am impressed by this army. The paint job is a very well executed one worthy of closer inspection.

I would however just like to say that I think the scheme used is not to far away from the realm of fitting into the 40k universe. A buddy and I were discussing some of the similarities between the Emperor and his SM and IG forces compared to the nazi regime. Its rather amusing how well the emperors mandates and the way SM go about upholding it line up with Hitler and his SS forces. Now im not trying to be inappropiate or cause offense I just thought id post that idea up.

Keep in mind this was just a casual conversation over a game of toy soldiers and I thought it had some merrit to the current army on display.

All in all its a beautiful army and itd be a pleasure to play against. Hopefully no one is irked by my side comment just wanted to toss out that idea.

Lunchmoney wrote:The imperium is basically a Nazi regime or at least Nazi inspired regime.

Not really, it's more feudal system than anything else. The planets provide supplies of food, men and so on and as long as they do so they are left to run themselves as they see fit provided that the emperor is worshipped. The Imperial structure has things in common with fascism and communism too as well as a limited theocracy.

ghostmaker wrote: He has nothing offensive to any one IMO. (Unless you hate red skull)

made me laugh

Just to clear up the confusion people seem to have about it, The swastika is a buddhist, jainist and hinduist symbol widely used in india and surrounding countries. According to wikipedia, (the source of all knowledge) it has been found as far back as the indus valley civilisation. Hitler adopted it for the nazi party and twisted it on it's axis (Hurr hurr) and used it as the state flag for germany, as we all know.

And knowing is half the battle...






...G I Jooooooeee!!!

willydstyle wrote:It's funny, because I haven't actually seen anyone in the thread claim to be offended by the army. I have seen a lot of people be offended by the idea that someone else *might* be offended, however

Nobody has addressed the fact that the theme simply doesn't fit the universe, however.

Well I'm offended by people being offended about people who might be offended... oh crap, I'm confused now. um Yeah nice army.